My theory of how it operates:
Here are a few links to start this off:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/laser.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/magnetacademy/magnets/page2.html

Background Info:
Atoms have 3 component parts. Electrons, Neutrons, & Protons.
Atoms can be in a "ground state" or "excited state".
Atoms can make a transition to an "excited state" by adding energy to them.
Atoms can make a transition to a "ground state" by removing energy from them.
When an atom moves from an "excited state" to a "ground state" it emits a photon
Electromagnetic Radiation consists of photons which correspond to a specific frequency.  (a small portion of the electromagnetic spectrum is visible light.)

Magnetism:
"A permanent magnet is nothing more than a ferromagnetic object in which all the domains are aligned in the same direction."
"All magnetism comes down to electrons... In the case of permanent magnets, it’s the spinning of the electrons..."
"There are only four elements... that are ferromagnetic at room temperature...iron, nickel, cobalt and gadolinium..."

Basic Laser Construction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_J1tkB0RKE
A gas filled tube full of your "lasing medium".
A "discharge lamp" (aka, your light source).
A couple of mirrors. (one is 100% reflective, the other only 99%).
And of course your power source for your "discharge lamp".

Stan's Laser Construction:
A gas filled tube full of a "lasing medium"
A "discharge lamp"
A "light guide"
And of course, a power source.

Comparison:
A few differences between the two lasers are...
1) Stan's gas is magnetic
2) Stan has coiled his gas tube.
3) Stan has wrapped wire around his coiled gas tube.

My Thoughts and Theory:
Let's take this gas filled tube and lay it out in a straight line for 299,792,458 meters.
If I turn the "discharge lamp" on for a fraction of a second, it will emit a photon.
after one second how far will that one photon travel? 299,792,458 meters. (the speed of light, right?)
Okay, lets assume the gas is in a "ground state" configuration.
When the photon hits the first atom it is absorbed and then re-emitted. (because the atom is not "metastable".)
This means that the electrons around the atom have "jumped up" and "jumped down" very quickly.
I would say at speed of light because the speed with which this transition happens.

Now, what if our gas was magnetic?  What effect would that have?
I'm inclined to think... based on what I've just outlined, you'll "move a magnetic field at the speed of light".

If this is possible... can we wrap coils around the tube and produce electricity?

Your Thoughts and Theories:
What are your thoughts? Theories? Questions? Insights?  I'd love to hear 'em.
Shoot holes in my theory... that's the only way to see if it survives right? :)

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 7th, 2012, 08:34 PM

My theory of how it operates:
Here are a few links to start this off:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/laser.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/magnetacademy/magnets/page2.html

Background Info:
Atoms have 3 component parts. Electrons, Neutrons, & Protons.
Atoms can be in a "ground state" or "excited state".
Atoms can make a transition to an "excited state" by adding energy to them.
Atoms can make a transition to a "ground state" by removing energy from them.
When an atom moves from an "excited state" to a "ground state" it emits a photon
Electromagnetic Radiation consists of photons which correspond to a specific frequency.  (a small portion of the electromagnetic spectrum is visible light.)

Magnetism:
"A permanent magnet is nothing more than a ferromagnetic object in which all the domains are aligned in the same direction."
"All magnetism comes down to electrons... In the case of permanent magnets, it’s the spinning of the electrons..."
"There are only four elements... that are ferromagnetic at room temperature...iron, nickel, cobalt and gadolinium..."

Basic Laser Construction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_J1tkB0RKE
A gas filled tube full of your "lasing medium".
A "discharge lamp" (aka, your light source).
A couple of mirrors. (one is 100% reflective, the other only 99%).
And of course your power source for your "discharge lamp".

Stan's Laser Construction:
A gas filled tube full of a "lasing medium"
A "discharge lamp"
A "light guide"
And of course, a power source.

Comparison:
A few differences between the two lasers are...
1) Stan's gas is magnetic
2) Stan has coiled his gas tube.
3) Stan has wrapped wire around his coiled gas tube.

My Thoughts and Theory:
Let's take this gas filled tube and lay it out in a straight line for 299,792,458 meters.
If I turn the "discharge lamp" on for a fraction of a second, it will emit a photon.
after one second how far will that one photon travel? 299,792,458 meters. (the speed of light, right?)
Okay, lets assume the gas is in a "ground state" configuration.
When the photon hits the first atom it is absorbed and then re-emitted. (because the atom is not "metastable".)
This means that the electrons around the atom have "jumped up" and "jumped down" very quickly.
I would say at speed of light because the speed with which this transition happens.

Now, what if our gas was magnetic?  What effect would that have?
I'm inclined to think... based on what I've just outlined, you'll "move a magnetic field at the speed of light".

If this is possible... can we wrap coils around the tube and produce electricity?

Your Thoughts and Theories:
What are your thoughts? Theories? Questions? Insights?  I'd love to hear 'em.
Shoot holes in my theory... that's the only way to see if it survives right? :)

fantastic thread! i'm moving it to the RWGresearch part of the forms. also, add some of that info we were talking about here: http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=340

ill post here when i have the time, ~Russ

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 7th, 2012, 08:34 PM

tNow, what if our gas was magnetic?  What effect would that have?
I'm inclined to think... based on what I've just outlined, you'll "move a magnetic field at the speed of light".

If this is possible... can we wrap coils around the tube and produce electricity?

Your Thoughts and Theories:
What are your thoughts? Theories? Questions? Insights?  I'd love to hear 'em.
Shoot holes in my theory... that's the only way to see if it survives right? :)

Stan said injecting laser energy would increase the magnetic field with out increasing mass.  So I think if you pulsed the tube of gas with light and then followed by the frequency to cause the atoms to release their photons, it could produce  elecricity.  

Another question came to my mind, the mechanics of photon absorbtion.  So all the things I've read so far, the photon seems to be magically absorbed, boosting the electron up X number of levels.  Now to me that photon isn't just going to be sitting in some random place around the atom.  Given that energy levels are increased, that photon must still be moving.  Also since that atom is now polarized in the direction of the light source, I'm thinking the photon takes on the same or similar orbit that the electron has.  So now when a magnetic field is applied to the gas at the right frequency, perhaps it changes the electron orbit path.  Then the photon decouples from the electron, leaves it's speed of light orbit around that atom on to its merry way.  I could be way off but I don't think the light energy just "fills up" an atom.
Nate

Quote from firepinto on February 8th, 2012, 09:36 AM

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 7th, 2012, 08:34 PM

tNow, what if our gas was magnetic?  What effect would that have?
I'm inclined to think... based on what I've just outlined, you'll "move a magnetic field at the speed of light".

If this is possible... can we wrap coils around the tube and produce electricity?

Your Thoughts and Theories:
What are your thoughts? Theories? Questions? Insights?  I'd love to hear 'em.
Shoot holes in my theory... that's the only way to see if it survives right? :)

Stan said injecting laser energy would increase the magnetic field with out increasing mass.  So I think if you pulsed the tube of gas with light and then followed by the frequency to cause the atoms to release their photons, it could produce  elecricity.  

Another question came to my mind, the mechanics of photon absorbtion.  So all the things I've read so far, the photon seems to be magically absorbed, boosting the electron up X number of levels.  Now to me that photon isn't just going to be sitting in some random place around the atom.  Given that energy levels are increased, that photon must still be moving.  Also since that atom is now polarized in the direction of the light source, I'm thinking the photon takes on the same or similar orbit that the electron has.  So now when a magnetic field is applied to the gas at the right frequency, perhaps it changes the electron orbit path.  Then the photon decouples from the electron, leaves it's speed of light orbit around that atom on to its merry way.  I could be way off but I don't think the light energy just "fills up" an atom.
Nate

Now that I think about it.  This matches up perfectly with Nassim Haramin's theory that every atom is a black hole.  Light goes in but not back out.  (Till it's forced to)

Stan's Philosophy. KISS :)

I try to simplify things into maneagable chunks.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/light7.htm
"There's a huge amount of theory around electron orbitals, but to understand light there is just one key fact to understand: An electron has a natural orbit that it occupies, but if you energize an atom, you can move its electrons to higher orbitals. A photon is produced whenever an electron in a higher-than-normal orbit falls back to its normal orbit. During the fall from high energy to normal energy, the electron emits a photon -- a packet of energy -- with very specific characteristics. The photon has a frequency, or color, that exactly matches the distance the electron falls."

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 8th, 2012, 09:50 AM

Stan's Philosophy. KISS :)

I try to simplify things into maneagable chunks.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/light7.htm
"There's a huge amount of theory around electron orbitals, but to understand light there is just one key fact to understand: An electron has a natural orbit that it occupies, but if you energize an atom, you can move its electrons to higher orbitals. A photon is produced whenever an electron in a higher-than-normal orbit falls back to its normal orbit. During the fall from high energy to normal energy, the electron emits a photon -- a packet of energy -- with very specific characteristics. The photon has a frequency, or color, that exactly matches the distance the electron falls."

So that sounds like a photon does become part of the electron.  If the frequency of the photon output is related to the distance the electron falls, then is the frequency related to how many times the electron orbits per second.  All the drawings of electrons going up in levels show the orbits getting larger in radius.  What if the radius stays the same, and the electron orbit spins faster.   If the atom is thought of like an AC generator,(that outputs light waves) when it outputs light, the frequency of light could be the RPM of the electron?  I'm assuming more than one photon can be absorbed into an electron since they can jump up to a certain level, but fall down to some where in between their starting level. (i.e. two photons in, one out)

Electrons spinning at the speed of light must have a larger gyroscopic force, making electrons easier to pluck off?

I don't want to get into quantum mechanics if I don't have to...

Think of it, more like... The photon is absorbed by the nucleus... But that photon needs some room.
So, the photon says to the electron "MOVE OVER!"
As a result, the electron that was there... got a little too excited and ran away from the big bad photon. :)

Lets look at the flip side...
Lets say the electron has had enough of the big bad photon.  Now, the electron jumps back and says "MOVE OVER!".  The photon is running scared. :D

Does that help give you an idea of how it works?


I think the "spin" stan is talking about is the "Magnetic Moment" of the electron.  As opposed to the orbital spin.
For example:  The earth rotates about it's axis vs. the earth rotates around the sun.
similar ideas... but totally different.

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=340
Post #14
"Textbook: Principles of Physics 3rd Edition - A calculus based text
Authors: Raymond A. Serway & John W. Jewett, Jr."

"Laser stands for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation."

What is Stimulated Emission?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimulated_emission
"The process by which an atomic electron... interacting with an electromagnetic wave of a certain frequency may drop to a lower energy level, transferring its energy to that field. A photon created in this manner has the same phase, frequency, polarization, and direction of travel as the photons of the incident wave."

In order to get Stimulated Emission we need 3 things:
1) "Population inversion".
2) "Metastable" condition.
3) Photons need to hang around a while.

What is Population Inversion?
It is the "pumping" of the "lasing medium".  There are many ways to "pump" your "lasing medium".  This is your discharge lamp.
What is a Metastable Condition?
Simply, the amount of time something is in an "excited-state".
How do you get the photons to hang out?
Mirrors.

Thought's on materials.
Gas:
Helium and Neon are both in the same family as Argon. (they're all noble gases)
I'm having difficulty trying to find out where you can get neon... Short of breaking into a Neon sign.  Anyone have any ideas?

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 8th, 2012, 08:30 PM

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=340
Post #14
"Textbook: Principles of Physics 3rd Edition - A calculus based text
Authors: Raymond A. Serway & John W. Jewett, Jr."

"Laser stands for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation."

What is Stimulated Emission?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimulated_emission
"The process by which an atomic electron... interacting with an electromagnetic wave of a certain frequency may drop to a lower energy level, transferring its energy to that field. A photon created in this manner has the same phase, frequency, polarization, and direction of travel as the photons of the incident wave."

In order to get Stimulated Emission we need 3 things:
1) "Population inversion".
2) "Metastable" condition.
3) Photons need to hang around a while.

What is Population Inversion?
It is the "pumping" of the "lasing medium".  There are many ways to "pump" your "lasing medium".  This is your discharge lamp.
What is a Metastable Condition?
Simply, the amount of time something is in an "excited-state".
How do you get the photons to hang out?
Mirrors.

Thought's on materials.
Gas:
Helium and Neon are both in the same family as Argon. (they're all noble gases)
I'm having difficulty trying to find out where you can get neon... Short of breaking into a Neon sign.  Anyone have any ideas?

A sign shop is the only place I can think of.  Beware that newer neon signs have mercury vapor in them.  I watched how they were made on "one of those shows"  the drop of mercury that they put in evaporates and makes the light intensity much brighter.
Nate

Well,  I've always wanted to play with mercury :D
I'm probably not going to mess with a Neon sign... but, it's a option. :)

I think the trick is to get your magnetic material in a gas form.  If you can do that... then, everything else will just fall into place. (The basics of regular laser construction.)

If I remember correctly, there was something I read about using the EPP to get iron to attach to different materials... it was fairly brief and didn't go into a whole lot of detail.

Here are some patents that may help explain it. :D
US Patent #: 4,613,304
Column 2, Lines 4-9.
"There is introduced into the... collection chamber from a source a substantial quantity of permanently magnetically polarized particles.  The particles dispersed in the collection chamber will superimpose themselves on the generated... gasses."

("permanently magnetically polarized particles" In other words, Iron that has been oriented.)
Side Note:  I was thinking, since you're using water, in the above patent... Iron Oxide and Iron Hydroxide would form.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_oxide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron(II,III)_oxide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrimagnetic (this may have to do more with stan's "gas lattice" than ferrOmagnetism.)
I'm inclined to believe this is stan's "electromagnetic shunt"

Canadian Patent #: 1,213,671
Page 2, Lines 18-20
"The pipe is filled with discrete magnetic elements having a magnetic field polarized charge placed thereon.  The magnetic elements are particles and preferably gas."

("preferably gas" ... maybe for the laser EPG?)

EU Patent #: 0098897
Page 5, Line 25
Page 6, Lines 1-9
"Within the pipe there is encapsulated a substantial quantity of magnetic elements.  The elements must be sufficiently light and be freely mobile.  Therefore, the elements may be particles susspended in a fluid medium such as a gas, liquid, or light weight movable solid particles and more preferably gas. In the application of suspended solid magnetic particles it may be desirable to evacuate the tubing to reduce the resistance to its flow.  The magnetized elements are discrete elements, that is, each particle or a miniscule part thereof is seperately magnetized."

For your Consideration

If KISS was really his philosophy, you would think this stuff might be easier to reverse engineer :lol:

the truth is, its complicated, that is why nobody even knows wtf is going on..... lol..... go look at the hundreds of universty research articles that deal with electrolysis/magnetolysis with weirdly modulated  signals.... they are WAY simplier than stans work.... LOL

anyways ....

the epg is an offshoot of stans VIC technology.... the electron extraction is what allows him to create tthe gas lattice.....

10 points to the first person who can find out what that heat sink looking device is on the laser epg

Quote from firepinto on February 8th, 2012, 12:38 PM

So that sounds like a photon does become part of the electron.

The photon is merely electromagnetic energy, nothing more (photons and virtual photons are electromagnetic carriers. In fact, magnetism is mediated by virtual photons.). That energy is added to the electron by adding an integer number of De Broglie waves to the waveform of the electron's orbit about the nucleus. The overall speed of the electron stays the same, but the orbital frequency (how many times the electron makes a complete circuit about the nucleus) thus falls.

Quote from firepinto on February 8th, 2012, 12:38 PM

If the frequency of the photon output is related to the distance the electron falls, then is the frequency related to how many times the electron orbits per second.

Yes, in a way. An electron in a higher orbit will have a lower orbital frequency (but again, it maintains the same speed about the nucleus, we're just looking at the angular velocity). When the electron is no longer receiving additional energy from the QVZPE field (which is comprised of photons, virtual photons, and electromagnetic radiation of all frequencies from practically DC to the Planck frequency), it gives off Larmor radiation in the form of virtual photons (as all electrons in orbit about a nucleus do, all the time) to the point that its higher orbit is no longer sustainable.

The rapid transition from one orbital to another is because an electron must have an integer number of De Broglie wavelengths in its total orbital waveform... shedding some of those De Broglie wavelengths as the electron's energy falls causes the electron to "jump" inward, and this Larmor radiation (which is already on-shell) is then strong enough to manifest as a photon, instead of just virtual photons.

That an electron must have an integer number of De Broglie wavelengths in its orbital waveform is why you see successively higher orbits closer together... say your K orbital has 4 De Broglie wavelengths in it. Adding 1 additional De Broglie wavelength would be adding 25% to the total resulting orbital path length... now say the M orbital has 40 De Broglie wavelengths in it... adding 1 additional De Broglie wavelength would thus only add 2.5% to the resulting orbital path length, thus the electron doesn't "jump out" as far in radius as it would do for the addition of the same number of De Broglie wavelengths at a lower orbital.

Quote from firepinto on February 8th, 2012, 12:38 PM

All the drawings of electrons going up in levels show the orbits getting larger in radius.  What if the radius stays the same, and the electron orbit spins faster.

That can't happen. Electron velocity is always the same in its orbit about the nucleus. The only thing that can change is the orbital radius, and thus the orbital frequency, which goes down as orbital radius goes up.

Quote from firepinto on February 8th, 2012, 12:38 PM

If the atom is thought of like an AC generator,(that outputs light waves) when it outputs light, the frequency of light could be the RPM of the electron?

The electron is matter, it has rest mass, so it cannot reach the speed of light, but it's so light that it gets pretty close in its orbit about the nucleus, and it maintains that speed.

Quote from firepinto on February 8th, 2012, 12:38 PM

I'm assuming more than one photon can be absorbed into an electron since they can jump up to a certain level, but fall down to some where in between their starting level. (i.e. two photons in, one out)

Photons can only be absorbed by an atom if that absorption causes the addition of at least one full De Broglie wave to the electron's orbital wavelength. There is the Lamb Shift, which is caused by interaction with the Quantum Vacuum Zero Point Energy field. By artificially creating a lower "ground state" than the QVZPE field's normal ground state (for example, in a Casimir cavity) can cause a rather large artificial Lamb Shift.

Quote from firepinto on February 8th, 2012, 12:38 PM

Electrons spinning at the speed of light must have a larger gyroscopic force, making electrons easier to pluck off?

No, but by damping destructively interfering QVZPE field modes and thus making the electron's orbital track less chaotic, the virtual photon flux being thrown off by that orbiting electron is thus more coherent. It may be that this more focused energy makes it easier to strip the proton from the hydrogen in water. This would be a true dipole, since an electron in orbit about a nucleus cannot "unpin" and flip some of the domains as our magnets do... an electron in orbit about a nucleus is a single domain emitting virtual photons (magnetic flux)... peruse my other posts to get a gist of what I'm talking about, but below is a brief synopsis.

Conventional magnets don't have the magnetic hardness to resist its internal magnetization, thus approximately half the domains unpin and flip to minimize the internal energy of the magnet. Thus, a conventional magnet is "killing its own dipole" because interspersed throughout a conventional magnet there is actually two magnets, acting in opposition to each other. This is why we have a centrifugal and centripetal interface on each pole face. This is also why we can cut a magnet, and the Bloch Wall moves at the magnetic diffusion rate for each cut piece to create two magnets with the same properties as the original (a centrifugal and centripetal interface on each pole face).

I hypothesize that if we could come up with the perfect magnetic material with sufficient magnetic hardness to resist the internal magnetization, we would see one centripetal interface on one pole face, and its corresponding centrifugal interface on the other pole face... and that would make it extremely easy to get magnets to do work.

The electron in orbit about a nucleus is that "perfect magnet" (since it's only a single domain, thus it can't unpin and flip some domains, as there's only one), if one can damp out-of-phase QVZPE field modes that perturb electron orbit... in a laser, that's exactly what happens.That's why laser light is coherent.

(Note that this only takes into account a single electron in orbit about the nucleus... additional electrons would act as additional domains, and thus we get right back into the problem we have, discussed above, with conventional magnets... so perhaps Stan's "magnetic gas" is hydrogen... it does have a large magnetic moment, and a single electron.)

Good stuff Cycle, I must of been really deep in thought about EPG 5 years ago. lol  Where has time gone?

Hope I'm not out of place posting here and not off topic.

Has anyone looked at water ion technologies process in making gas in terms of creating a magnetic gas?

I'm hoping to learn or at least maybe get a better understanding of the electron with this question: (im wandering if there are paraelles between voltage and magnetisim in terms of electron susceptibility)

What's the difference in decay of paraell and antiparaell spin alignment v\s ionization decay.

The process of susceptibility explained  may help ?
Hoping to learn a little right there if ya don't care.

Interesting thoughts New Guy. i'm thinking that's a different process.... but could it apply? might. i would need to dig deeper in that to find out.

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ on February 3rd, 2017, 01:36 PM

Interesting thoughts New Guy. i'm thinking that's a different process.... but could it apply? might. i would need to dig deeper in that to find out.

~Russ

Thanks Russ
If you haven't talked to the lady or Robert @ W.I.T. it'd be worth your time to call and chat about ther process, alltho it may be off topic maybe...they are really nice people.

I'm still soaking in the thread....loving the electron stuff :)

Quote from newguy on February 4th, 2017, 03:41 AM

Thanks Russ
If you haven't talked to the lady or Robert @ W.I.T.

who and where?

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ on February 4th, 2017, 08:25 PM

who and where?

~Russ

@ water ion technologies.

When I called asking about their water I was given a nice chat wich was very nice of them.
I didn't get so far as to ask if their gas could stabilize a magnetic moment or what ever would need to be stabilized in terms of the magnetic gas in Stans EPG but an understanding of its ability to stabalize the things it does may help down the road .
If you call them ask her about the bottle on the shelf and the stabilization  qualities of the their gas.

interesting, OK, Thanks! ~Russ