self latching relay

Belfior

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I got some relays but I think I might ask you guys before I start to bring out the blue smoke.

Now if I want to have a self looped device, I would like to start it with a 9V battery like all self respecting kapanadze replicators do.

So lets say I have a power supply for the circuit, 9-16V cap feeding that power supply, a relay and the self looped circuit on the far right.

some circuit - PSU - 9-16V cap - self latching relay system - the "some circuit" looping back with the energy to feed my PSU.

Now the PSU is there just to supply even voltage, but takes 0-16V DC in. The circuit looping back might have voltages even over 50V DC. Now how do I build the "latching relay" that it takes 9V battery until output comes back from the self looped system?

If my "free energy system" is using one or more grounds I might not be able to even use ground in this latching setup, so how do I prepare for the possible 50V "over voltage" that might be heading back from the self looping? Is a Zener diode setup enough? If I can't use ground for the over voltage, do I just redirect the excess to an antenna?

Matt Watts

Re: self latching relay
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Sure sounds like you are describing a typical generator Transfer Switch.  Basically it flows power through it from the mains until the generator is producing enough power to trip the switch.  Once that happens, power flows from the generator through the switch.

When the generator shuts off, the Transfer Switch again flows power from the mains.

So for a self looped device, the output of this device (generator in the above example) trips the switch away from the battery (mains in the above example) and feeds itself instead of using the battery.  If you overload the device, then the battery trips back in to restart it.

At least that's the way I interpret your question.  Is there more I'm not understanding?


What I do know and try to do most of the time is bake this type of system into anything I am developing or experimenting with.  That way should I happen to hit enough of the critical parameters, the device will power itself immediately.  So far I've only managed to build devices that toggle back-n-forth.  :-(

patrick1

Re: self latching relay
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hi mate, i have done the relay thing a few times,  - sounds like best option is too use a comparator, IC ,say LM393 , with that, it is 8pin chip,  you supply mains, ground, and then a "REFERENCE voltage input, say 40v, - and then, whenever your READING voltage input, goes above 41v,  it will trigger the output,  - and comparators are good because you can just vary the REFERENCE voltage input with a pot.  -

otherwise the easiest option too trigger the relay, is using a string of 20 diodes. - or a zener,  - so when the voltage starts too flow through the diodes mininum conduction rating, -  1.1volts per diode etc... - you can use that signal too trigger a transistors too switch the relay on.

i can help with either of those circuits ;-=D  lol

anyways, the interesting part is, how your kapanzee circuit is working...  flybacks come in many sizes, and its hard too say, if more power on the input, is proportionally matched on the output.  .... so the question is, do you want tune it for high input./ output, or just too keep its battery charged, and run some garden lights with steel poles ;-D... sexy
Re: self latching relay
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my latching circuits probably arnt suitable, - but they are hard too come by, and quite difficult as far as these things go, so i will post it,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCQJIAxmxok


Lynx

Re: self latching relay
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This is the most simple way I can come to think of using a relay to switch over the powersupply from one source to another, or if you like from the "backup power source (I.E the 9V battery)" to the "regular power source (I.E the free electric energy)".
Circuit ground is common, meaning it's directly connected to the battery's negative pole.
Once the free electric power comes into play it activates the relay and starts feeding the input circuit on it's own.


Belfior

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Thx guys! It seems I might have to give this some more thought. Also found a very good YT video for latching relays for n00bs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7SuHDmuVUk

The problem is that I have an idea that needs to be fully tested, but since I am convinced it works ;) I am already planning ahead. Then I need to have several "stages" where all the magic happens. Some stages need to be isolated and grounding becomes a problem. You are not really isolating anything if your grounds are all shorted.

Maybe forget the self looping totally for now and just try to prove the effect? Simple things first and blingbling later.

I cured my mother's sleep apnea and arrythmia yesterday, so feeling pretty pumped up!

If I need lets say 2 grounds. Can I use air ground (antenna) or are there other options? How is a floating ground a ground? I am not talking about a voltage reference here. If I need to sink a pulse to an antenna, is anything an antenna and the limit is when the fooker melts?

How do I separate my load from my input so that my input tuning is not destroyed? I bring AC to a transformer and make L2 a center tapped one like Don Smith devices? So when L2 starts to create a counter magnet field the 2 opposing half coils of the L2 mitigate this to an extent?
Re: self latching relay
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Quote from Matt Watts on March 8th, 04:02 PM
Sure sounds like you are describing a typical generator Transfer Switch.  Basically it flows power through it from the mains until the generator is producing enough power to trip the switch.  Once that happens, power flows from the generator through the switch.

When the generator shuts off, the Transfer Switch again flows power from the mains.

So for a self looped device, the output of this device (generator in the above example) trips the switch away from the battery (mains in the above example) and feeds itself instead of using the battery.  If you overload the device, then the battery trips back in to restart it.

At least that's the way I interpret your question.  Is there more I'm not understanding?


What I do know and try to do most of the time is bake this type of system into anything I am developing or experimenting with.  That way should I happen to hit enough of the critical parameters, the device will power itself immediately.  So far I've only managed to build devices that toggle back-n-forth.  :-(
From the replies I realized that the latching relay might be the smallest problem :( I might need to have 4 circuits. One fires the relay and the relay connects the rest remove connection from 2 ->3 and connects 3->4.

Looking at some "free energy" circuits the loop back seems to be few turns of wire on some bigger transformer. Like small L3 in a trafo that has L1 and L2. If that L3 feeds a DC-DC variable input PSU through a full wave bridge rectifier, why don't I just stick a battery into the PSU input leads? Maybe it sparks a bit when the L3 gets powered, but hey when in Vegas...

patrick1

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hehe i was going too go bed a hour ago,   but i have so many transformers from my bucking coil experiments, i thought id play with this kapanzee style thing,  -  specifically testing how high a cap voltage will climb with a certain input power, -

im running around 1watt input at the mo,... and it works... charging a large cap... but watching my newman motor spin with so much power, on 0.2 watts..    - im really laughing at this kapanzee idea, far more than i did 5 years ago

really needs alot more work, and too know things,-   - i have great off the shelf high voltage stuff, - getting nice 1cm plasma arc, for less than 1 watt.  - but sooo slow too charge caps.  even with enourmous earth rods..

need too make several quantum leaps for this too work,
Re: self latching relay
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btw im happy too test your idea,  - have lot of ferrite material, and 3x 2meter deep ground rods

do you recommend a certain circuit for this electron pump ?,   i wasnt in reasonance,  just freq sweeping a set of 3 mini flybacks in series (no diode

but anyway, poor charging effect.  low voltage and low current,  so im obviously doing something wrong.,  i would be lucky too be getting 10% of my 1watt back into the cap

Belfior

Re: self latching relay
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when I have something that I am not ashamed to share you will be the first to know Patrick! I think I made this promise earlier already ;)

I am still replicating Gustave Le Bon's experiments, so this might take a while... I am enjoying myself and the fact that intuition can be a formidable assistant or even the whole idea of research and inventions!

patrick1

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intuition is the best learning tool i like too use,   it always know exactly the way i want too learn,  weird huh,, 

if only my school teachers would except that reasoning....  - i dont care if what your doing is high level,  this is the lesson !!

http://allpowr.su/images/ion_e/ion2_e.gif   -- googles only Gustave bon circuit....   happens too be radiant.  - ground rods alyways work, but i never got anything from an antenna.  -  ive strung up big antennas too,... i think the lost in translation thing happened,  - they are all meant too be sitting next too a tesla coil,,,, i guess i can understand that.

but i dont understand mucn more.... - ive charges heaps of caps from earths, and from pins stuck into vege plants !!... i got more from 1 pin stuck into a tomato plant , than i did from 3 parallel copper wires 25foot off the ground.  strung between my palm trees

Belfior

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Quote from patrick1 on March 12th, 10:29 AM
intuition is the best learning tool i like too use,   it always know exactly the way i want too learn,  weird huh,, 

if only my school teachers would except that reasoning....  - i dont care if what your doing is high level,  this is the lesson !!

http://allpowr.su/images/ion_e/ion2_e.gif  -- googles only Gustave bon circuit....   happens too be radiant.  - ground rods alyways work, but i never got anything from an antenna.  -  ive strung up big antennas too,... i think the lost in translation thing happened,  - they are all meant too be sitting next too a tesla coil,,,, i guess i can understand that.

but i dont understand mucn more.... - ive charges heaps of caps from earths, and from pins stuck into vege plants !!... i got more from 1 pin stuck into a tomato plant , than i did from 3 parallel copper wires 25foot off the ground.  strung between my palm trees
Nice going man!  I had similar ideas and still one project that is unfinished. This one guy was giving me grief and I told him you gotta wipe the black board clean and start over. You start from the earliest writings on electricity and go from there. Throw all laws and theories into the bin. Then if you find that the answer is a banana, then you bench test the idea and if it works it works. So I have incorporate a banana into the mix. I am pretty sure a banana, lemon and copper&galvanized nails would give me few volts?

I think Bon had the answer in either "The Evolution of Matter" or "The Evolution of Forces". You just need to be able to see.

patrick1

Re: self latching relay
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Allow me too share some success along with all my failures in this field,  -  ive build tesla coils with multiple MOT's, and spark gaps, - these are bad. - almost impossible too tune, unless you have extremely controlled circumstances, - basically you want too stop the tides and moons.....   thats why everyone builds and sells IGBT tesla coils.      . anyway im not interested in those. too easy, 

but in terms of extracting atmospheric electricity, - / earth potential.... which i have done,  - i have lit 100watt incandescent globes too full brightness,  - this current can be rectified,        ...  free energy is easy too get from these sources, - but getting it for less than you pay for it, is not easy.     ... i would suggest if you want too build a free energy machine for fun or practicality, - look elsewhere, ...   BUT if you want too learn fundamentals of electronics over several years,   - this is a great project,.  - and only the best with succeed.  it will take everything you have.

peace and love,   magnets are win.


Belfior

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I think many people that claimed they found free energy actually did just that. Now that I think I am getting closer to the answer I go back and read all their writings again and watch their videos for the fourth time. They are telling you the principle all the time, but it is very hard to understand if you are not in the same wave length as they are.

Moray did not invite all the engineers and physicists to study his device just to take the risk that they would find out how he cheats. You can find many affidavits from engineers saying they found no external batteries or other means of external power sources, but they cannot understand how it works. Moray only removed one component from the device and then let them inspect it.

Morgan and Co. have been making sure for more than 100 years that we are clueless. You have your diploma on the wall and you will keep preaching that religion forward to the next guy.

I will have the device ready by the next Saturnalia

patrick1

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hehe i discovered that by accident, .

there was a circuit that involted insulating a brass threaded rod ( i used insulation tape ),.  and wrapping about 100turns of wire around it. *total length 30cms~

then you connect live wire too the brass rod, too excite it,  and then your load goes between earth, and the winding,

and it does work, but not very well, - likley take 30years too pay off the brass rod,,  anyway my insulation failed at one point after some jiggling.

.....   that happened next.  .. its less powerful than straight across the mains, which is obvious when i used a brifge and a 3hp dc motor. rated for 340v.   but still lots of power.,,,,,,   anyway   if i was using more than a 40cm philips for a ground rod,,,, lol....         lol