So While we look and Adjust that last post above together Nav

We Are Specifically Discussing Pulse Train number of pulses and Gate Timing ratio  in this H bridge Thread ,

Using 9xa into a daughter board vic/ normally transistor but we swap for fast h bridge so we can use h bridge logic to back switch electrons during the tau we set. triggers from the 9xa 5 khz with over layed 5 khz gate , h bridge alows pwn in and allows dc voltage in from variac /booster circuit or series vics

 Pulse number and Gating timing in TAU
to find a ratio that you and I know can be set as perfect ratio. starting at what ever  voltage amplitude and scaling voltage amplitude later whilst keeping ratio ,
( as noted previous about gradual voltage amplitude rise to allow pll to work and not freak out)

 once running  this ratio

Purposely not discussing the voltage amplitude or the ringing or step charge leave out of conversation please for now. 

AS I am Trying to Focus on the H bridge and timing to remove electrons whilst hitting
the number you want or have studied from AP and Stan to allow fastest gating scaling whilst
in ration as possible for testing..


Focus is the Pulse train vs gate time tau Ratio.
====================================================
Please suggest and spec
a Specific number pulses (a number or measurement ) in pulse train to GATE Ratio based on your 3 secs gate


How many pulse to TUA

NAV  PLEASE SET THIS
Ratio
5 HKZ (  2500 discrete pulses )   to 5 khz ?/TUA 0.333hz is 3 seconds over layed GATE ?

Please Set  this now  NAV

Dan

That we may actually have  the key points in to advance a h Bridge to extract electrons at varying speeds while keeping  ratio to  keep effect going at any voltage amplitude My Friend.

Note if we introduce a Boost Voltage amplitude it would need this timing to over the boost voltage to the system when you hit the kick down for more gas fuel.

Dan

Once we lock a pulse train to tau ratio in,

2500 descrete pulses 5 khz with a super imposed 5 khz gate tua 3 second etc  ( fine tuning these numbers)

Than we may actually have  the key points in, to advance a h Bridge to extract electrons at varying speeds ,both fuel production speed (voltage amplitude) and h bridge gate speed(pulse train to  Tau ratio)

while keeping  ratio true pulse train to gate tau scaled up or down in ratio based on your setting above to  keep effect going at any voltage amplitude and any gates speed in factions My Friend.


AKA Lazer driver


 Dan

On one of your pictures you presented a figure in orange that said 5khz 0.5hz gate super imposed over a 5khz frequency. I was referring to that number.
Dan, the reason they are using 5khz is because Puharich states in his patent:

Quote

The `Open Circuit` Reversible Threshold Effect ~ 
Phase 4: A secondary effect of the change in the RC constant of water on the wave form  shows up as a full half wave rectification of the carrier wave indicating a high level of polarization of the water molecule in tetrahedral form  at the outer electrode. 
With the already noted appearance of the rippled square wave, and the signs of faint vapor precipitation which indicate the earliest stage of electrolysis, it is possible to test for the presence of a reversible hydrolysis threshold. This test is carried out by
creating an open circuit between Components I and II, i.e., no current flows. This is done by lowering the water level between the two electrodes in the region --- 1' and 2' shown in FIG. 3; or by interrupting the circuit between Component I and II, while the Component I signal generator is on and oscillating. Immediately, with the creation of an `open circuit` condition, the following effects occur: 
(a) The carrier frequency, fc , shifts from  Phase 4 valve 1272 Hz to 1848 Hz to 6128 Hz.  (b) The current and voltage drop to zero on the meters which record I and E, but the oscilloscope continues to show the presence of the peak-to-peak (p-p) voltage, and the waveform  shows a remarkable effect. The rippled square wave has disappeared, and in its place there appear unipolar (positive) pulses as follows in FIG. 6A. 
The unipolar pulse frequency stabilizes to ca. 5000 Hz. The unipolar pulses undergo a 0 to 1.3 volt pulsing amplitude modulation with .tau. at 3.0 seconds.

What Stan is doing is cutting out Puharich's stages of electrolysis and going straight to 5Khz but people must remember that Puharich then states this:

Quote

In the operation of the invention active bubble electrolysis of water is initiated following Stage B, phase 3 by setting (automatically) the output of Component I to: I = 1mA., E = 22VAC-rms, causing the rippled square wave pulses to disappear with the appearance of a rippled sawtooth wave. The basic frequency of the carrier now becomes, fc = 3980 Hz. The wave form now automatically shifts to a form found to be the prime characteristic necessary for optimum  efficiency in the electrolysis of water and illustrated in FIG. 11. In the wave form of FIG. 11, the fundamental carrier frequency, fc = 3980 Hz., and a harmonic modulation of the carrier is as follows: 
1st Order Harmonic Modulation (OHM) = 7960 Hz. 
2nd Order Harmonic Modulation (II OHM) = 15,920 Hz. 
3rd Order Harmonic Modulation (III OHM) = 31,840 Hz. 
4th Order Harmonic Modulation (IV OHM) = 63,690 Hz.

The work being done by the apparatus is at the frequency 3980hz not 5khz. The choke needs to be resonant at 3980hz not 5khz.
The 5khz is being used in the test Puharich does to prove the existance of the  `Open Circuit` Reversible Threshold Effect.

Puharich is choking the frequency 3980hz so that no current passes at that frequency, the voltage leads the current by 90 degrees and the Q factor of the choke allows the four harmonics to pass freely.
There is much confusion as what these chokes are actually doing. Normally a choke will cut out high frequency AC and allow DC voltage to pass but because the current lags the voltage by 90 degrees then voltage has a free roll.
We must remember that one of Puharich's harmonics is 63khz and a choke would normally absorb that frequency. Stan clearly states in his video that the magnetic field of the chokes don't allow current to pass. This means that the chokes produce their largest magnetic field at the carrier frequency because chokes deal with blocking AC and not DC.

Yes this is like pulling teeth but together we are firming the knowledge path so people think like these guys more quickly, there are notes that say at 3333, cells start flying

So you are correct but I want to firm it further of coarse to move to the better parts here

Can you lock in a Ratio  please.

2500 descrete pulses 5 khz with a super imposed 5 khz gate tua 3 second etc  ( fine tuning these numbers)

NAV
Re write the above line short and best as you can in relation to only stans vic running from 9xa transistor etc

I want to replace that transistor with a h bridge this is the ability we need to gte done on a daughter board
we need to lock that part in now and than people can build and extract electrons

Dan

Dan I think I know where the confusion lies here. People are confusing the TAU with the modulation of the carrier frequency. You can square wave modulate the carrier frequency with the same frequency i.e 5khz sine wave and 5khz square wave but the TAU is the total length of the burst.

OK,  so that is the form and shape of on time burst  ON TIME
and the GATE  OFF TIME  is completely different right, 

Meaning if burst you signal 3980 Hz exact for the length 3.33  seconds and the gate H bridge /relay Off time is ....................Variable?

Pulse train burst  is 3980 Hz exact for the 3.33 seconds  and gate off time is ................... seconds (which is the electron extract time,)                 

So the better the Capacitance in the cell the more gate speed you could have ? or longer gate off you could have?

Humor me on this , so we lock it in

Daniel

https://youtu.be/wuABohr-6aQ

No. I'll use 2khz as an example:
Carrier frequency = 2khz
Modulation frequency = 2khz square wave with 33.3% duty cycle width.
Tau which is the length of the pulse burst = 3 seconds. Per se:-

Noted

Questions for NAV
1 what will happen in Petlov video if he makes those changes?

2 can we put a mosfet h bridge on that and extract electrons while maintaining effect ?

Dan

Petlov has not realized a number of things:
He's using chokes that are not resonant at the carrier frequency circa 4-5khz, he's operating at 40khz most of the time.
He doesn't understand that his total signal length should be 3 seconds and then a tiny pause.
If he can't choke the carrier frequency which he isn't because he has 4 amps into the cell then his system is not resonant.
Anyone can make pretty step charge effects on a scope and make a spark plug work at low current, been there and done it. What most people are failing to do is get the reactance of the cell in tandem with the reactance of L1 choke at resonance.
Petlov needs to build a choke that is resonant at 3980hz and match the inductive reactance of that coil to the capacitive reactance of the cell @ resonance (3980hz). All he has to do then is to choke the carrier frequency current and let the modulations form resonance with the water. You can use an H-bridge or an audio signal providing you don't clip the tops from the modulations @ resonance.
Listen Dan, all my systems were build wrong, i'm having to rebuild my cell and my chokes again and my control circuits are being modified. We have to work together over the next months to see what we can achieve.

yes think we are work together is best

 I will see if any one out there in the networks can draw up a fast h bridge with control   on mosfet
 and post with a flip flop soon  so we can follow the knowledge rules and back switch electrons to 9xd

Attached 
DONE

Also See universal Switch