Stainless steel does rust!

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Stainless steel does rust!
« on June 18th, 2018, 09:06 AM »
Just got done helping to rebuild a large York chiller that had a refrigerant (R22) leak.

We pulled the insulation off the piping to find the stainless steel refrigerant recirc tube had rusted away to practically dust.

The contractor puzzled over this, unaware that stainless steel can rust. I explained to him that in an oxygen deprived environment, stainless steel can no longer replenish its chromium oxide passivation layer, so it'll rust just as fast as plain old iron. The insulation around the recirc tube was sealed so well that not enough oxygen could get to the tube, but it wasn't sealed so well that water vapor in the air couldn't get in there and condense over a number of years, rusting the tube. This was the reason the rust was worse at the ends of the insulation where the tube connected to the machine, but there was little rust further along the tube... it doesn't matter if no oxygen can get in to replenish the chromium oxide passivation layer if no water is getting in, either.

This applies to us, as well. If you use stainless steel for your electrolyzer plates, the (-) electrode will rust (I believe that's why you see so many experimenters with brown water, despite using stainless plates). The (-) electrode is where hydrogen is produced, so it'll be an oxygen-deprived environment.

You'll also note that due to hydrogen adsorption occurring if the plate is used with AC current, and due to that hydrogen adsorption making the chromium oxide layer (a dielectric) much more conductive, stainless steel should only be used for a pure-DC or pulsed-DC system, and only for the (+) electrode. You definitely want to keep any free hydrogen atoms away from that chromium oxide passivation layer if you're relying upon the chromium oxide passivation layer as a dielectric.

--Oz--

Re: Stainless steel does rust!
« Reply #1, on December 7th, 2020, 12:49 PM »
Also note, there are many grades of SS, if you put a strong neo magnet near SS tweezers, most with have some attraction, that is the iron impurities in that grade of SS. Iron does rust. :)

warj1990

Re: Stainless steel does rust!
« Reply #2, on December 7th, 2020, 02:32 PM »
Stainless Steel 304 is the most common you will find and it is slightly magnetic.  It is commonly used in welding applications.
SS 316 and 316L  (L is for lower carbon content) will generally hold up to natural water.
SS 400 series is more expensive and common for use in marine applications - salt water boats with "occasional" contact.

Many more in the SS arena, but for the most part 316L is a good product for testing applications and fairly easy to obtain without breaking the bank.