#### chuff1

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After years of researching different free energy devices and wondering
how those people could do it and we all struggle.  It took too long to realize
that the reason I kept failing is because I did not stop and think of an
original idea on how to create energy from nothing.  All those that succeeded
had those ideas and stuck with them until they succeeded.  That is
a hard lesson to learn.  If we took only one of these free energy ideas or
a completely new one and worked it out to its conclusion it would work.

I started searching for what makes a magnetic field in a conductor to
try and figure out the mechanism that creates the field and apply that
concept to the explanation of a permanent magnets static field.  If the
mechanism is the same, then its only a matter of finding a way to
exploit it for energy harnessing from a non moving static magnetic
field.

I called a friend of mine to ask him a few questions about
current through a wire creating a magnetic field.  I was led to believe
that electrons flowing at almost the speed of light through a wire
creates the magnetic field.  The more electron flow you used, the
larger the magnetic field.  I found out that electron flow is very slow
through a conductor.  The name for it is called Drift velocity.
According to the calculations on the page it moves around .2 micrometers
per second.

I asked him "If electron flow is that slow in a wire then why does
a cylindrical vacuum tube create a very large magnetic field perpendicular
to the flow of electrons through the tube at almost the speed of light".  I wanted
to know what causes the electrons to flow so slowly through a wire, so I started
learning about the Lorentz force and how it affects electrons
in a fluid and apply the concept to electron flow in an solid wire.

When we send a current through a wire a magnetic field is being created
at a 90 degree angle to the flow of particles if we apply the Lorentz force to the
wire then the electron should spiral as it goes through the magnetic field.
The larger the magnetic field being created in the wire the slower the electron
can flow forward and with enough current it would just sit and spin in a constant
loop causing localized heating of the wire caused by the spinning electron called
eddy currents.  This impedance to the flow of electrons is called Self Inductance.

Tesla wrote that magnetic fields created in a wire is loss of energy. Any current
created in a wire will impede the flow of electrons due to the self generated magnetic
field.  I came to the conclusion that if we want a fast flow of electrons we need
to limit the current in the wire with a high ohm resistor and use the longitudinal
flow of electrons without the magnetic field component to draw energy from.

I'm starting to believe this is how Steven Marks' device worked by forcing
electrons to flow through his copper collector coils. If electrons are sent down
a copper wire at a given flow rate and we wrap a copper wire around the collector
wire and energize the coils then we can control the electrons as in the idea
behind the Traveling wave tube but instead of using a vacuum tube
with a high resistance and a heated cathode he used a wire with little resistance.
Send the electrons down the wire first then start pulsing the coils one by one sending
the electrons around the collector wire like a coil gun shoots a projectile. That may
explain why the TPU has inertia when operating.

The next thought that came to me was in Stanley Meyers EPG system.
We know that tap water conducts electricity due to different salts in the water
and that distilled water is a dielectric, If you try to send high voltage to a water
bath it shorts itself out and thereby dropping the voltage potential of the electrodes.
Stanley has said to always limit the current, and even hints at it with the resistance
wire.  Why would we not use a regular wire wound resistor inline with the electrodes
to impede current flow?

I wanted to get a few of these thoughts out there to further the cause.   Any input
to this topic would be helpful. Thanks

#### ~Russ

Question.

If we turn on a switch.
Connected to a battery.
Connected to a long length of wire
But turn off the switch before the current has time to complete the circuit. what happens to the motion in the wire that was started but not compleated ?

There was no energy used from the battery because the circuit was not alowed to complete. (If we are talking electron flow or what ever it is)

Magnetic component

This sounds like a question directly related to your idea. Posibaly this will help you finish some thoughts?

~Russ

#### chuff1

Yes Russ the idea is a sound one.  The only caveat is when your dealing with the
initial inrush of electrons from one end to the other it flows so fast that you would
have to have a very long wire.  It can be done with a large spool of wire and very
fast switching times.  In that situation a loading coil will work to make the voltage

#### ~Russ

Numan sure had alot of wire...

I never dove in to his theory though.  Have  you?
~Russ

#### chuff1

I may have stumbled down Newmans rabbit hole once or twice!
His philosophy was a sound one and he is on record more times than any free
energy inventor.  If you can get past his alien (outerspace) contacts then he is
a down to earth unsung hero that will go the way of Tesla.

His belief was that atoms carried a gyroscopic effect
in a magnetic field. He said that more energy could be derived out of a coil
if instead of having say a 24awg wire wrapped around to get 100ohms, that
you would take a 10 gauge wire and wrap it to 100ohms.  The energy stored
in the copper coil would be leagues different for the same voltage and current.
Because its the same work being done in each pulse 100ohms is 100ohms.

After skimming through it again, Russ you need to read it.  It gives an
analogy of the water flowing through a pipe from tank to tank, as one energy
cycle and the magnetic collapse of the current being cut then another
tank fill the opposite way.

#### onepower

Russ
Quote
Question.
If we turn on a switch.
Connected to a battery.
Connected to a long length of wire
But turn off the switch before the current has time to complete the circuit. what happens to the motion in the wire that was started but not compleated ?
There was no energy used from the battery because the circuit was not allowed to complete. (If we are talking electron flow or what ever it is)
I have done this experiment many times and the battery does transfer real energy to the wire because the wire now has a net charge which can be measured with an electrometer or charge detector such as this--http://amasci.com/emotor/chargdet.html. In fact the moment we touch any conductor to either pole of a battery we know energy has been transferred because the conductor now has the same potential as the terminal we just connected it to. Did you know that every time you touch the negative terminal of a battery with your finger your whole body assumes a similar negative potential which can easily be measured?. Think about that... the free electrons on that negative terminal dispersed themselves over the whole surface of your body and you can measure it. It is a small amount of energy however it is none the less energy.

Simply put, better measuring tools lead to more accurate measurements and a much better understanding. This is why I seldom if ever use a DMM because it gives us no real insight into what is really happening beyond the scope of a simple measure between two points. Throw your DMM in the trash and start using an electrometer and you will see a whole new world you never expected.

#### Matt Watts

Quote from chuff1 on September 16th, 2017, 12:27 AM
I'm starting to believe this is how Steven Marks' device worked by forcing electrons to flow through his copper collector coils. If electrons are sent down a copper wire at a given flow rate and we wrap a copper wire around the collector wire and energize the coils then we can control the electrons as in the idea behind the Traveling wave tube but instead of using a vacuum tube with a high resistance and a heated cathode he used a wire with little resistance.  Send the electrons down the wire first then start pulsing the coils one by one sending the electrons around the collector wire like a coil gun shoots a projectile. That may explain why the TPU has inertia when operating.

I wanted to get a few of these thoughts out there to further the cause.   Any input to this topic would be helpful.

Thanks
Suppose we take a short transmission line and close it upon itself.  If there is any electrical motion in this transmission line, we should observe two counter rotating electrical currents.

So how to instigate electrical motion?

First, it would be useful to create a 3-phase sine wave and attempt to drive this looped transmission line as though it was a motor.  The drive mechanism is a bit of an uncertainty, but I do wonder if the characteristics of a conductor can be slightly manipulated by wrapping the conductor with a coil.  The conductor itself may contain a ferrous component to improve this mechanism. The mental concept here is squeezing the conductor in the proper places, with an appropriate signal.  Think of the conductor as a tube like a bicycle inner tube then apply the concept of a peristaltic pump.  The frequency of the stimulation could be used to accelerate the current flow.  The "stuff" that produces the current flow doesn't come from the stimulus, it comes from within the conductor.

With this much of the proposed concept functioning, we should be able to harvest this electrical energy in a similar manner, just reversing the process.  We would need to make sure the harvesting process does not decelerate the current flow.

There are some clues in the videos of Steven Mark's device.  He states for some of his devices the oscillation is about five kilohertz.  He also mentions a gyroscopic feeling in the devices while running; further he mentions the devices spool-down when shut off.  Steven also claims the devices are rather simple in construction and use off-the-shelf components, though it took a great deal of time for him to assemble them with limited resources.

There is a lot of missing, poor or erroneous information regarding what Steven Mark actually accomplished.  We have to figure this one out ourselves through a series of tests to see if our process and logic holds.  Hard to say for sure whether we have been yet again duped, or if the device was real.  Time and our experiments will give us the answer.

#### onepower

Matt
Great post.

I am curious about everything and a long time ago I read a random article about "Rouge waves" . Which led to research about wave phenomena in general, ocean waves, rouge waves then soliton wave phenomena. A soliton is a self-reinforcing solitary wave packet that maintains its shape while it propagates at a constant velocity. Not a current or flow, not a standing wave due to an alternation of pressure/velocity like an LC tank circuit but a ...self-reinforcing solitary wave.

Which begged the question, how can a wave function become self-reinforcing in itself outside the context of external forces?... it blew me away.

We rely so much on conventional thinking in regards to conventional theory but every now and then we see a monkey wrench thrown into the machinery we have trouble explaining. Here we see a phenomena which is not bound to Kirchhoff's supposed laws because by definition the soliton wave is neither a current or a voltage per say but a self-reinforcing solitary wave. In which case we are speaking of a discrete, directional, self-reinforcing phenomena not bound to the source which created it reminiscent of what many describe as a longitudinal wave.

As they say... life is long periods of monotony interrupted by moments of sheer chaos.

#### haxar

L.M.D. waves discovered by Tesla is the only other wave type: