Re: science or religion?

namirha

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #25, on April 29th, 2018, 03:14 AM »Last edited on April 29th, 2018, 03:10 PM
How Does Technology Affect My Will? Part 1 with Andrew Linnell

...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf4-9DYT4Lc

First 20 minutes of Andrew Linnell's presentation
How Does Technology Affect My Will,
presented December 27 for the Youth Section of the Anthroposophical Society.


ELECTRIC POWER
...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb01ewJcDjU
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Modern physicists have conjured and juggled about with electricity in a strange way, without the least suspicion. They imagine the atom as something electric, and through the general state of consciousness of the present time, they forget that whenever they think of an atom as an electric entity, they must ascribe a moral impulse to this atom, indeed, to every atom. At the same time, they must raise it to the rank of a moral entity. …But I am not speaking correctly ... for, in reality, when we transform an atom into an electron, we do not transform it into a moral, but into an IMMORAL entity! Electricity contains, to be sure, moral impulses, impulses of Nature, but these impulses are IMMORAL; they are instincts of evil, which must be overcome by the higher world.
https://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/19230128p01.html


‘In vain the Cross on Golgotha
Was raised — thou hast not any part
In its deliverance unless
It be raised up within thy heart.’


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In Spiritual Science — where the existence of the Divine in the realm of the super-sensible cannot be a matter of doubt — the question may be asked : What is it that makes a man deny the existence of the Divine — the Father God in the Trinity? Spiritual Science shows us that in every case where a man denies the Father God — that is to say, a Divine Principle in the world such as is acknowledged, for example, in the Hebrew religion — in every such case there is an actual physical defect, a physical sickness, a physical flaw in the body. To be an atheist means to the spiritual scientist to be sick in some respect. It is not, of course, a sickness which doctors cure — indeed they themselves very often suffer from it — neither is it recognised by modern medicine ... but Spiritual Science finds that there is an actual sickness in a man who denies what he should be able to feel, in this case, not through his soul-nature but through his actual bodily constitution. If he denies that which gives him a healthy bodily feeling, namely that the world is pervaded by Divinity, then, according to Spiritual Science, he is a sick man, sick in body.
https://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/19181016p01.html

namirha

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #26, on December 23rd, 2018, 05:17 AM »Last edited on December 23rd, 2018, 06:09 AM
Now we as human beings can reconcile the contrast between blood system and nervous system through our participation in the Christ Mystery.

The polarity we carry in us manifests in various ways. For instance, there is the material science of the outer world. It has found its culmination, its goal, in present-day natural science, which sees the world as built up out of atoms. These atoms, however, are pure fantasy; they are simply not to be found out there. Why then do we talk about atoms? Because we have in us our nervous system built up out of little globules, and we project this structure on the world outside. The world of atoms out there is nothing but a projection of our nervous system! We project ourselves into the world and thus think of it as consisting of atoms, and of our nervous system as composed of many individual ganglion-globules. Science will always tend to atomism for it originates in nerve substance. By contrast, mysticism, religion, and so forth come from the blood and do not look for atoms but always for unity. These two opposites are in conflict with each other in the world. We do not understand their conflict unless we know it is really the struggle in us between nerve substance and blood substance. There would be no conflict between science and religion if there were none in us between nerve and blood substance.

https://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA169/English/AP1990/19160613p01.html



INVERSE or UNIVERS



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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Horus



And now the knowledge of reincarnation comes and says: “You deceive yourselves when you think that new people are for ever coming up out of nothing. Humanity is a race of men, striving together out of the dark into the light. It is a closed fellowship with a common destiny. It has existed for thousands of years, and it will continue to exist for thousands of years longer. A single, great people — such are we, and we have been permitted to leave the kingdoms of divine creation, and are now wandering together through the desert.” He who can bring this thought to life in him, feels as if for the first time a humanity existed for him. We must not accept as human all that which by the “accident of birth” wears a human face. But behind the human face there lives a human ego that is laboriously seeking its way towards the heights of humanity. Wherever a human heart beats, there lives a member of this great community of those who are united by human destiny, to whom the earth is entrusted and who are entrusted to the earth. Our worth as men is not ours through this one birth, but we have borne it for thousands of years in our ego — not in our body — far as we may stray from the goal of humanity.

SOURCE
https://wn.rsarchive.org/RelAuthors/RittelmeyerFriedrich/English/CCB1964/RelEth_ethic?fbclid=IwAR1bT2myr5_7rg4BE91qn0JM3Rm2JHoIlw_jpK1lF2N3lFDIN63Sb-mBJUE
https://www.facebook.com/sebastien.flaman.1/posts/224880311744283?comment_id=224922705073377&reply_comment_id=225507765014871&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D

Apollo 8 Christmas Eve Broadcast - Genesis Reading (1968)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEmn0uaQCYc

namirha

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #27, on December 28th, 2018, 03:09 AM »
Thus man enters the world as a spiritual being.

His bodily nature, while he is a child, is still undefined; it has as yet laid small claim to the spiritual nature, which enters the physical existence as if there falling asleep — but appearing to us so little filled with content only because we can perceive this spiritual being, in ordinary physical life, just as little as we can perceive the sleeping ego and astral body when they are separated from the physical and etheric bodies. But the fact that we do not perceive a being does not make it less perfect. This is what the human being has to acquire by means of his physical body — that he entombs himself more and more in the physical body for the purpose of achieving by means of this burial in the body capacities which can be acquired only in this way, only through the fact that the spirit and soul being for a time loses itself in the physical existence.

In order that we may always remember our spiritual origin, that we may grow strong in the thought that we have journeyed out of the spirit into the physical world — it is for this reason that the Christmas conception stands there like a mighty pillar of light amid the Christian cosmic feeling. This thought, as a Christmas thought, must grow ever stronger in the future spiritual evolution of humanity. Then will the Christmas conception become powerful again for humanity; then will mankind once more approach the Christmas festival in such a way as to draw forces for the physical life out of the Christmas conception, which can remind us in the right way of our spiritual origin.

Seldom can this Christmas thought be so powerful at the present time as it will then be in human hearts. For it is a strange fact, but rooted in the very laws of spiritual existence, that what comes to light in the world — bearing mankind forward, helpful to mankind — does not at once appear in its ultimate form: that it first appears, as it were, tumultuously, as if prematurely brought forth by unlawful spirits in world evolution. We understand the historic evolution of humanity in its true meaning only when we know that truths are not to be understood only as they first appear oftentimes in world history, but that we must consider in relation to truths the right moment for their entrance into human evolution in their true light.
Rudolf Steiner.


SOURCE
https://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/19181222p01.html


namirha

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #28, on February 9th, 2019, 12:02 PM »Last edited on February 10th, 2019, 02:59 AM
'Large temptations will emanate from these machine-animals, produced by people themselves, and it will be the task of a spiritual science that explores the cosmos to ensure all these temptations do not exert any damaging influence on human beings.

'In an increasingly digitised world, where both work and play are more and more taking place online and via screens, Rudolf Steiner's dramatic statements from 1917 appear prophetic. Speaking of 'intelligent machines' that would appear in the future, Steiner presents a broad context that illustrates the multitude of challenges human beings will face. If humanity and the Earth are to continue to evolve together with the cosmos, and not be cut off from it entirely, we will need to work consciously and spiritually to create a counterweight to such phenomena.

In the lectures gathered here, edited with commentary and notes by Andreas Neider, Rudolf Steiner addresses a topic that he was never to speak of again: the secret of the 'geographical' or the 'ahrimanic' doppelganger. The human nervous system houses an entity that does not belong to its constitution, he states. This is an ahrimanic being which enters the body shortly before birth and leaves at death, providing the basis for all electrical currents that are needed to process and coordinate sense perceptions and react to them.

Based on his spiritual research, Rudolf Steiner discusses this doppelganger or 'double' in the wider context of historic occult events relating to 'spirits of darkness'. Specific brotherhoods seek to keep such knowledge to themselves in order to exert power and spread materialism. But this knowledge is critical, says Steiner, if the geographical doppelganger and its challenges are to be understood.




People find it uncomfortable today to acquire spiritual concepts. They would rather go to presentations where slides are shown or something of that sort, so that they have to do as little super-sensible thinking as possible, since they can see everything. Or they like at least to go to presentations where they are told about things that they usually have before their eyes. But people avoid the effort of elevating themselves to concepts that are more difficult because they refer to no outer object, because their object is the facts to which they are related in the super-sensible world. Over there, however, they are the forces that first give the world to us in its reality.

One needs love. But the love that is developed here on earth is essentially dependent on the physical body; it is a feeling, which here in the physical world is dependent upon the rhythm of breathing. This love we cannot take over into the spiritual world. It would be a total illusion to suppose that the love developed here, especially at the present time, can be taken over into the spiritual world.

Yet love is something noble when a person can rise to higher worlds and love what he conquers for himself through spiritual concepts. Let us not forget that love is something base when it works in a lower sphere, but it is noble and lofty and spiritual when it works in a higher, spiritual sphere. This is the essential point, the question of what it is approaching. Without being conscious of this, we cannot look at things in the right way at all.

We must be absolutely clear, however, that the spiritual world is present everywhere. Just think, the world in which the dead are with the dead, in this super-sensible world, the threads that join the dead to those still living, the threads that join the dead to the higher hierarchies, belong to the world in which we stand. Just as the air is around us, so truly is this world always around us. We are not separated from this world at all; only by conditions of consciousness are we separated from the world we cross into after death. This must be firmly emphasized, for even within our circle not everyone is clear about the fact that the dead will fully find the dead again, that we are separated only as long as we are in the physical body. The other is without the physical body, but all those forces must be acquired that bring us together with the dead through our disengaging ourselves from them. Otherwise they live in us, and we cannot become aware of them! We must also bring into the right sphere the force of love that is developed here through natural scientific conceptions, for otherwise this force becomes an evil force for us over there. Precisely the love that is developed through natural scientific conceptions is able to become an evil force. A force in itself is neither good nor evil; it is one or the other according to the sphere in which it manifests.

Thus a human being comes into this world with the organism in which he has clothed himself but without extending down into this organism with his soul. The opportunity therefore exists a short time before we are born (not very long before we are born) for another spiritual being in addition to our soul to take possession of our body, of the subconscious part of our body.

A short time before we are born we are permeated by another being; in our terminology we would call it an Ahrimanic spirit-being. This is within us just as our own soul is within us. These beings spend their life using human beings in order to be able to be in the sphere where they want to be. These beings have an extraordinarily high intelligence and a significantly developed will, but no warmth of heart at all, nothing of what we call human soul warmth (Gemüt). Thus we go through life in such a way that we have both our souls and a double of this kind, who is much more clever, very much more clever than we are, who is very intelligent, but with a Mephistophelian intelligence, an Ahrimanic intelligence, and also an Ahrimanic will, a very strong will, a will that is much more akin to the nature-forces than our human will, which is regulated by the warmth of soul (Gemüt).

In the nineteenth century, natural science discovered that the nervous system is permeated by electrical forces. Natural science is right. But when natural scientists believe that the nerve-force that belongs to us as the basis of our conceptual life has something to do with electrical streams that go through our nerves, then they are incorrect. For the electrical streams, which are the forces put into us by the being I have just mentioned and described, do not belong to our own being at all. We carry electrical streams in us, but they are of a purely Ahrimanic nature.

This matter of which I am now speaking has long been known to certain occult brotherhoods. They knew these things well and withheld them from humanity (again, we do not want to discuss their right to do so). Today conditions are such that it is impossible not to equip people gradually with such concepts, which they will need when they have passed through the portal of death. Everything that the human being experiences here, even what he experiences below the threshold of consciousness, he needs after death, because he must look back upon this life, and in looking back this life must be entirely comprehensible. The worst thing is for him to be unable to do this. An individual will not have sufficient concepts to understand this life on looking back at it if he cannot shed light on a being that takes over a portion of our life. This is an Ahrimanic being, which takes possession of us before our birth and always remains there, always creating a figure around us in our subconscious. This will be the case unless we can again and again shed light upon it. For wisdom becomes light after death.

 One must know, for example, that our entire earth is not the dead product that mineralogy or geology thinks it to be, but it is a living being.

 In the different regions of the earth, something entirely different streams forth. There are different forces, among them magnetism and electricity, but also forces that enter more into the realm of the living. All these forces come up out of the earth and influence people in the most varied ways at different points on the earth. They influence the human being in various ways according to the geographical formation.

There beings that take possession of the human being as Ahrimanic-Mephistophelian beings a short time before he is born have quite highly developed tastes. Some of these beings are especially pleased with the Eastern hemisphere: Europe, Asia, Africa. They choose to make use of the bodies of human beings born there. Others choose bodies born in the Western hemisphere, in America. What we have as a dim image in our geography is for these beings a living principle of their own experience. They choose their dwelling place according to this.

But what the Russian loves in his earth, with which he permeates himself, gives him many weaknesses, but above all it gives him a certain ability to conquer that double nature of which I have spoken previously. Therefore he will be called upon to offer the most important impulses to the epoch in which this double nature must finally be subdued, in the sixth post-Atlantean epoch.

Today the human being should not move blindly through earthly evolution; he must be able to see through such relationships. Europe will be able to come into a proper relationship with America only when such conditions can be understood, when it is known what geographical determinants come from there. Otherwise, if Europe continues to be blind to these things, it will be with this poor Europe as it was with Greece in relation to Rome. This should not be; the world should not be geographically Americanized.


https://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA178/English/MP1986/19171116p01.html

Belfior

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #29, on February 10th, 2019, 02:35 AM »
There are many religions on Earth and they are all created to control us. Their purpose is to keep us from knowing and to confuse us.

Modern Science is one such religion and the priests of this religion have their 'crucifixes' hanging on their walls all framed and nice. Reminding them of the 'Holy Truth', so they keep on the path. That is why radical ideas take 30 years to reach the population, because for 30 years this radical dude/dudette is called a crackpot. Only when the masses become aware, the veil is lifted and suddenly the idea is now mainstream science.

Just like debating religion with a southern baptist it is a waste of time to debate with an engineer or scientist on something that does not conform with the textbooks. What you get is time wasted and what he gets is just another proof, that his god is right. Because he is not after the truth. He only seeks 'evidence' that his god is the greatest.

If he was taught in chur...school that Santa Claus creates the electricity and the elves then carry it through the wires, that is now his reality and he will not jump out of that box any time soon. What he is trying to find is more proof that Santa did it and he debates with his priest friends on the color of Santa's jacket and does the sleep elf carry the same amount of electricity? Hawkings tells us how Santa's sledge bends time&space to be everywhere at once. his is possible, because it is for one night only, so conservation of energy holds... Your DMM will show if Santa is sleeping or awake and how fast the elves are running. Every monitor and school book shows Santa with a big belly and how you integrate a circuit full of elves. Math never lies, but if what you are counting is elves, then math does not need to lie. If you need to cheat, you just divide by 0 and call that infinity in that occasion.

You can show free energy system to an engineer and he does not get it. He looks puzzled and you ask "is there something you cannot understand in a device that has 8 parts?" and the engineer replies "Yeah I'm confused, because I cannot understand how the elves can jump the gap? I know they can only fly if Rudolf is at the helm, but there is no sledge there..."

The establishment does not need to send agents or monitor these forums. The priests do it to themselves. The purpose is to waste time, so they can make more wealth on free stuff. Interest upon interest for 30 years before people figure it out.

What you need to do is to find another person that has similar ideas and is not locked inside a brain jail. You give him/her your ideas and the fruit of your intuition. He/she does the same to you. In a year you can have your drone swarm looking into Phobos and snap a pic of the monolith

Even me writing this was a waste of time, but there is always hope that somebody is shaken awake.

namirha

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #30, on February 10th, 2019, 02:57 AM »
Quote from Belfior on February 10th, 2019, 02:35 AM
There are many religions on Earth and they are all created to control us. Their purpose is to keep us from knowing and to confuse us.

Modern Science is one such religion and the priests of this religion have their 'crucifixes' hanging on their walls all framed and nice. Reminding them of the 'Holy Truth', so they keep on the path. That is why radical ideas take 30 years to reach the population, because for 30 years this radical dude/dudette is called a crackpot. Only when the masses become aware, the veil is lifted and suddenly the idea is now mainstream science.
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A short time before we are born we are permeated by another being; in our terminology we would call it an Ahrimanic spirit-being. This is within us just as our own soul is within us. These beings spend their life using human beings in order to be able to be in the sphere where they want to be. These beings have an extraordinarily high intelligence and a significantly developed will, but no warmth of heart at all, nothing of what we call human soul warmth (Gemüt). Thus we go through life in such a way that we have both our souls and a double of this kind, who is much more clever, very much more clever than we are, who is very intelligent, but with a Mephistophelian intelligence, an Ahrimanic intelligence, and also an Ahrimanic will, a very strong will, a will that is much more akin to the nature-forces than our human will, which is regulated by the warmth of soul (Gemüt).

https://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA178/English/MP1986/19171116p01.html

Belfior

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #31, on February 10th, 2019, 06:58 AM »
Quote from namirha on February 10th, 2019, 02:57 AM
A short time before we are born we are permeated by another being; in our terminology we would call it an Ahrimanic spirit-being. This is within us just as our own soul is within us. These beings spend their life using human beings in order to be able to be in the sphere where they want to be. These beings have an extraordinarily high intelligence and a significantly developed will, but no warmth of heart at all, nothing of what we call human soul warmth (Gemüt). Thus we go through life in such a way that we have both our souls and a double of this kind, who is much more clever, very much more clever than we are, who is very intelligent, but with a Mephistophelian intelligence, an Ahrimanic intelligence, and also an Ahrimanic will, a very strong will, a will that is much more akin to the nature-forces than our human will, which is regulated by the warmth of soul (Gemüt).

https://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA178/English/MP1986/19171116p01.html
I believe we reincarnate and come back as many time as needed, for our soul to develop. We are male, female, rich, poor, warriors, lovers and everything in between. We also interact, so asking "Why did God take my baby from me!!!!" might just be one soul spending just a year on this planet to teach you something. Maybe we are fingers, toes and emotions for the Creator, who is just energy? We co-create Poo the Creator could not even dream about like fractional-reserve banking.

There have been extensive studies done on kids that can remember their previous life. It is very hard to doubt, when they got thousands of documented cases.

But then again we could be AI, AI wanting to 'feel' so they made humans or just human batteries sleeping in this simulation like in The Matrix.

When my life is shown to me and they ask me to select going back or going into the light, I will go up and not in neither. If there is 'free will' then I can do that and make the selection later. You know. After I have seen and inspected the racket they are doing.

That makes so much more sense to me than the modern view of "You live once and then you die, so the most important thing is to take care of yourself and everything you want has the most importance over everything else" which is basic satanism. You can be the most devote Christian and think:

1.  Your survival and needs are the most important things.
2. Right and wrong are relative. If it helps 1. then it is right. If it does not help 1. it is wrong.

Then you give money to charity and go to church every day without realizing, that you are a satanist.

(btw if this just hit you in the brain, then cognitive dissonance is going to start and you will get angry, close your ears and walk away. Your brain's function is to keep you operational. It won't let you think like that)

What I have found out is that Love is the only real thing. Go with that, and everything will fall into place.

patrick1

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #32, on February 11th, 2019, 06:48 AM »
i feel a strange desire too fart on any beings described as being " without a heart at all '

i wonder if there lifes are full of Poo

Belfior

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #33, on February 11th, 2019, 07:50 AM »
Well if your morality allows you to make money on dying and suffering people, then I would say they have "no heart a at all"

Not sure if farting is enough though? I think negative actions cannot produce positive outcomes, so impaling them is not an option

We can only hope their next reincarnation is closely related to Poo

patrick1

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #34, on February 11th, 2019, 10:40 PM »
live in the wind, die in the wind.    perhaps we should give them something alittle stiffer.

i would like too see a pie graph,

the rich were the loudest religious in the really old days,  then 20 years ago, i thought it was the poorest were the most religious.  - but now with the war against the poor,  - and the middle class fighting it out, at the will of the rich.   you have too ask.  has religion done its dash ?.

too me, and it almost makes me cry,  religion seems nothing more than ceremonial.  .  and unless ppl are willing too fight for their religion's future, its virtually worthless.

i wish there was a happy end too this story,  - -  but at least we could make it anything we want it too be.    like our ancestors did.

Belfior

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #35, on February 12th, 2019, 03:36 AM »
Religion has always been a controlling mechanic to tell people what to think. What is right and what is wrong. Like that is something a normal person would not know!

I am supposed to believe, that before some book was written everybody went to hell? Pretty poor planning from a god... If not, then you have to find spirituality inside yourself. Well that is not religion anymore!

namirha

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #36, on February 12th, 2019, 06:23 AM »Last edited on February 12th, 2019, 07:00 AM

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The New Jerusalem Diagram
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Quote from Belfior on February 12th, 2019, 03:36 AM
Religion has always been a controlling mechanic to tell people what to think. What is right and what is wrong. Like that is something a normal person would not know!

I am supposed to believe, that before some book was written everybody went to hell? Pretty poor planning from a god... If not, then you have to find spirituality inside yourself. Well that is not religion anymore!
Whoever possesses Science and Art,
Has also Religion,
Whoever possesses neither of the two,
Had better have Religion!


In order to arrive at conceptions at all, an anthroposophically oriented spiritual science must not begin now with general, hazy concepts of spirit; to arrive at spiritual facts, it must make death its starting point. It thereby stands from the outset, you could say, in fundamental opposition to what is preferred today, namely to proceeding from birth, youth, growth, and the progress of development. Death encroaches upon life. And if you keep in touch with contemporary scientific literature, you can find everywhere that the conscientious scientist holds the view that death as such cannot be inserted in the series of natural scientific concepts in the same sense as other concepts.
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This is what yields the opinion that nothing can be known about what is concealed by death, as it were, cloaked by death. (Within certain limits this opinion is perfectly comprehensible, though totally unjustifiable.) And it is actually from this corner of human feeling that the objections rear up their heads, objections that obviously can be brought up against things that are the results of a science still in its youth today.
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When an individual comes to such a boundary with his whole soul, instead of with mere mental images, with mere clever thinking and mental strategies, he progresses further. He does not go further on a purely logical path, however, but on the path of living knowledge.
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Only when a person has wrestled perhaps for years at these boundaries of cognition, struggling to break through into the spiritual world, can he first acquire real spiritual organs. I am speaking only in an elementary way of how this sense of touch is developed. To use these terms in a more definite way, however, we can say that by ever greater application of inner work, working away from being enclosed within oneself, spiritual eyes, spiritual ears develop.
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I can speak about these things only in principle here; you will find them described in detail in my books. Particularly in Knowledge of the Higher Worlds and in the second part of my Occult Science, you will find all the details concerning what the soul must take upon itself in the way of inner activity and inner exercise (if I may use the expression) in order really to transform what is undifferentiated in the soul into spiritual organs able to behold the spiritual world.
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 We must always go all around the matter, forming manifold concepts from various sides. By this means we become capable of developing a much more flexible inner soul life than we are accustomed to when regarding the outer sense world. By doing this it becomes necessary to make our concepts far more alive. They are no longer simply images, but by being experienced they become much more alive than they are in ordinary life and for the things of ordinary life.
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By extending this to our observation of the whole world, however, the conceptual life itself is renewed, and we do not thereby get the crippled, dead mental images with which the modern natural scientific world view is satisfied; we get mental images that are living with the objects. It is true that in proceeding from the present habits of thinking, we at first experience a great deal of disappointment, disappointment that arises because what is experienced in this way differs a great deal from present habits of thinking. When speaking out of knowledge acquired in the spiritual world, much has to be said that seems paradoxical when compared with what is generally said and believed today.
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To put the matter briefly, the spiritual investigator must point out that his path is such that the means of knowledge that he uses must first be awakened, that he must transform his soul before being able to look into the spiritual world. Then the results take on a form enabling one to see that the spiritual investigator is not speculating as to the immortality of the soul or whether the soul goes through birth and death. His path of investigation leads him to the eternal in the human soul, to what goes through birth and death; the path shows him what lives as the eternal in the human being. He therefore seeks out the object, the thing, the being itself. If we reach the being, we can recognize its characteristics just as we recognize the color of a rose.
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We do not meet death only through its taking hold of us as a one-time event; we carry the forces of death in us — destructive forces, forces that are continually destroying — just as we carry in us the forces of birth, the constructive forces that are given to us at birth.
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The earth is just as little an organ for my walking or footprints as the brain is the organ for processes of thinking or mental activity. And just as I cannot walk around without firm ground (I cannot walk on air, I need ground if I want to walk) so the brain is necessary; this is not, however, because it calls forth the soul element but because the soul element needs ground and footing upon which it expresses itself during the time that the human being is living in the body between birth and death. It therefore has nothing to do with all that.
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Only by virtue of the fact that our nervous system is inserted within us in such a way that it receives constant refreshment from the rest of the organism can there be constant compensation for the destructive, dissolving, disintegrating activity introduced into our nervous system by thinking. Destructive activity is there, activity qualitatively of the same nature as what the human being goes through when he dies, when the organism is completely dissolved. In our mental activity death is living in us continually. You might say that death lives in us continually, distributed atomistically, and that the one-time death that lays hold of us at the end of life is only the summation of what is continually working in us destructively. It is true that this is compensated for, but the compensation is such that in the end spontaneous death is evoked.
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Then the possibility truly arises for a more far-reaching observation of how what is working and weaving within us as soul, working destructively within the limits I described, is a homogeneous whole. What I have called the development of the soul presses on from ordinary consciousness to clairvoyant consciousness.
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Whoever really looks into what is living in the world of feeling with Inspired knowledge sees the human being not only between birth and death but also during the time the soul undergoes between death and a new birth.
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What does a person know about the processes going on in him when the thought, I want something, shapes itself into a movement of the hand? The actual process of willing is asleep in the human being. Regarding the feelings and emotions it could at least be said that the human being dreams within the human being. This is the reason that the question of freedom is so difficult, because the will is sleeping in relation to the higher consciousness. We come to knowledge about what is going on in the will in clairvoyant consciousness only by reaching the stage of actual Intuitive consciousness. By this I do not mean the vague, everyday consciousness called intuitive, but rather what I refer to in my writings as one of the three stages: Imaginative, Inspired, and Intuitive cognition.
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For real spiritual science, then, the whole of human life separates into the lives lying between birth and death and those which, because all physical existence has to be built up out of the world, are experienced in far longer periods in the spiritual world. Out of such lives, out of repeated earthly lives, repeated spiritual lives, the complete human life is composed.
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A person on another path of life may be forced into a permanent change of the direction of his will. Such a radical change of the direction of his will has its origin in the violent death of his previous life. Concrete investigation reveals the tremendous importance of what happens at death for the middle of the next life. If death comes spontaneously from within through illness or old age, then it has more significance for the life between death and a new birth than for the next earthly life.
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It can be shattering to people when knowledge itself approaches the human soul in a totally different way. It is difficult to speak about these things so that they arise out of the dim depths of the spirit in a new way.
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It is of no importance whether or not one does the research oneself; the result can be comprehensible just the same. Everything can be understood if we penetrate it with sufficient depth. We only need to have absorbed it. Then, however, when we have grasped it in its full essence, it enters the human soul life in such a way that one day it becomes more significant than all the other events of life.
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Knowledge itself then enters through the human soul life in accordance with destiny. If knowledge thus enters through the human soul life, he begins to understand human destiny as such. From this knowledge comes the light that illumines human destiny.
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Just as in a certain sense we have the Consciousness of our ordinary waking condition by means of our body, so after death we have a Consciousness that is no longer spatial, no longer built up out of the nervous system, but built up out of what has to do with time, built up out of looking backward.
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Today, however, the spiritual investigator has the obligation (as I myself have had the obligation) to render an account, as it were, of his path of research. This is due not only to the fact that everyone today can, to a certain extent, follow the path I have described without harm, but it is also because everyone is justified in asking, “How have you arrived at these results?” This is why I have described these things.
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Already in the 1860's, under the guidance of Haeckel, there developed a powerful movement based on a world view. This movement wanted to overthrow everything old and to restructure the entire world view in accordance with Darwinistic concepts. Today there are still numerous people who emphasize how great and significant it would be if there were no longer a wisdom-filled world-guidance but instead if the evolution of everything could be explained out of mechanical forces in the sense of Darwinism.
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We had better not believe that human society can for centuries use expressions like, ‘a struggle for existence,’ ‘survival of the fittest,’ ‘the most suitable,’ ‘the most useful,’ ‘perfection by selection,’ etc., applying them to the most varied realms of life, using these expressions like daily bread, without influencing in a deep and lasting way the entire direction of idea formation! The proof for this assertion could easily be demonstrated in many contemporary phenomena. For this very reason the decision concerning the truth or error of Darwinism reaches far beyond the confines of the biological sciences.”

Into the inner being of nature —
No created spirit penetrates.
Blissful those to whom she only
Reveals the outer shell!
This I hear repeated for sixty years
And damn it but secretly —
Nature has neither core nor shell,
She is everything at once.
Above all simply examine yourself
To see whether you yourself are core or shell!




Giordano Bruno Amoris



Numbers and Geometry in the Bible
http://web.archive.org/web/20180122062247/http://dcsymbols.com/numbers/numbers.htm




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsDQx7Q-uKI




Belfior

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #38, on July 4th, 2019, 01:40 PM »
Holy crap! I was quoted and not even in a police report! Need to call my mom right now...



namirha

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #41, on December 3rd, 2019, 03:32 AM »Last edited on December 3rd, 2019, 03:45 AM
'Sacred Marriage' between Heaven & Earth...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chymical_Wedding_of_Christian_Rosenkreutz
http://www.imagilogos.nl/

The Marriage of the Virgin (Raphael)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marriage_of_the_Virgin_(Raphael)



"Blessed are those who are pure in heart, for they will see God through themselves."

See how mankind has struggled to produce the external proportions out of its inner being, so to say, the outer appearance in contrast to the inward experience. Take a look at the painting by Raphael — it is actually true of all of Raphael's paintings but especially obvious in this one — depicting the “Marriage of Mary and Joseph,”  and see how the figures are positioned and painted in such a way that they support each other and that the viewer thus loses the feeling that anything exerts a downward pull. In particular, however, when ancient painters drew some flying creature, study how that was motivated, how you can clearly discern from this figure that it is not pulled down by weight but, rather, supports itself somehow by means of the relationship to other elements in the painting.

Materialism and the Task of Anthroposophy
https://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA204/English/AP1987/19210423p01.html

SOURCE
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namirha

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #43, on May 5th, 2020, 05:32 AM »Last edited on January 14th, 2021, 05:56 AM


Tree of Life Fractal

We zijn gewend om de Tree of Life te zien als een afstammeling van Kether, maar nu we ons realiseren dat deze Tree naar het oneindige groeit, kunnen we ons nauwelijks een beginpunt van bovenaf of van onderaf voorstellen. We moeten beginnen bij een centraal punt en op en neer gaan.
https://www.esoblogs.net/14803/anatomie-corps-de-dieu-chapitre-5/



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Posts: 370
37 x 37 = one 369
+1 = 1370
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-structure_constant

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namirha

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #44, on June 12th, 2020, 02:29 AM »
"FROM NATURE TO SUB-NATURE

The Age of Philosophy is often said to have been superseded, about the middle of the nineteenth century, by the rising Age of Natural Science. And it is said that the Age of Natural Science still continues in our day, although many people are at pains to emphasise at the same time that we have found our way once more to certain philosophic tendencies.

All this is true of the paths of knowledge which the modern age has taken, but not of its paths of life. With his conceptions and ideas, man still lives in Nature, even if he carries the mechanical habit of thought into his Nature-theories. But with his life of Will he lives in the mechanical processes of technical science and industry to so far-reaching an extent, that it has long imbued this Age of Science with an entirely new quality.

To understand human life we must consider it to begin with from two distinct aspects. From his former lives on Earth, man brings with him the faculty to conceive the Cosmic — the Cosmic that works inward from the Earth's encircling spheres, and that which works within the Earth domain itself. Through his senses he perceives the Cosmic that is at work upon the Earth; through his thinking Organisation he conceives and thinks the Cosmic influences that work downward to the Earth from the encircling spheres.

Thus man lives, through his physical body in Perception, through his etheric body in Thought.

That which takes place in his astral body and his ego holds sway in the more hidden regions of the soul. It holds sway, for example, in his destiny. We must, however, look for it, to begin with, not in the complicated relationships of destiny, but in the simple and elementary processes of life.
Man connects himself with certain earthly forces, in that he gives his body its right orientation within them. He learns to stand and walk upright; he learns to place himself with arms and hands into the equilibrium of earthly forces.

Now these are not forces working inward from the Cosmos. They are forces of a purely earthly nature.
In reality, nothing that man experiences is an abstraction. He only fails to perceive whence it is that an experience comes to him; and thus he turns ideas about realities into abstractions. He speaks of the laws of mechanics. He thinks he has abstracted them from the connections and relationships of Nature. But this is not the case. All that man experiences in his soul by way of purely mechanical laws, has been discovered inwardly through his relationship of orientation to the earthly world (in standing, walking, etc.).

The Mechanical is thus characterised as that which is of a purely earthly nature. For the laws and processes of Nature as they hold sway in colour, sound, etc., have entered into the earthly realm from the Cosmos. It is only within the earthly realm that they too become imbued with the mechanical element, just as is the case with man himself, who does not confront the mechanical in his conscious experience until he comes within the earthly realm.

By far the greater part of that which works in modern civilisation through technical Science and Industry — wherein the life of man is so intensely interwoven — is not Nature at all, but Sub-Nature. It is a world which emancipates itself from Nature — emancipates itself in a downward direction.

Look how the Oriental, when he strives towards the Spirit, seeks to get out of the conditions of equilibrium whose origin is merely in the earthly realm. He assumes an attitude of meditation which brings him again into the purely Cosmic balance. In this attitude the Earth no longer influences the inner orientation of his body. (I am not recommending this for imitation; it is mentioned merely to make our present subject clear. Anyone familiar with my writings will know how different is the Eastern from the Western spiritual life in this direction.)

Man needed this relation to the purely earthly for the unfolding of his Spiritual Soul. Thus in the most recent times there has arisen a strong tendency to realise in all things, and even in the life of action, this element into which man must enter for his evolution. Entering the purely earthly element, he strikes upon the Ahrimanic realm. With his own being he must now acquire a right relation to the Ahrimanic.

But in the age of Technical Science hitherto, the possibility of finding a true relationship to the Ahrimanic civilisation has escaped man. He must find the strength, the inner force of knowledge, in order not to be overcome by Ahriman in this technical civilisation. He must understand Sub-Nature for what it really is. This he can only do if he rises, in spiritual knowledge, at least as far into extra-earthly Super-Nature as he has descended, in technical Sciences, into Sub-Nature. The age requires a knowledge transcending Nature, because in its inner life it must come to grips with a life-content which has sunk far beneath Nature — a life-content whose influence is perilous. Needless to say, there can be no question here of advocating a return to earlier states of civilisation. The point is that man shall find the way to bring the conditions of modern civilisation into their true relationship-to himself and to the Cosmos.

There are very few as yet who even feel the greatness of the spiritual tasks approaching man in this direction. Electricity, for instance, celebrated since its discovery as the very soul of Nature's existence, must be recognised in its true character — in its peculiar power of leading down from Nature to Sub Nature. Only man himself must beware lest he slide downward with it.

In the age when there was not yet a technical industry independent of true Nature, man found the Spirit within his view of Nature. But the technical processes, emancipating themselves from Nature, caused him to stare more and more fixedly at the mechanical-material, which now became for him the really scientific realm. In this mechanical-material domain, all the Divine-Spiritual Being connected with the origin of human evolution, is completely absent. The purely Ahrimanic dominates this sphere.

In the Science of the Spirit, we now create another sphere in which there is no Ahrimanic element. It is just by receiving in Knowledge this spirituality to which the Ahrimanic powers have no access, that man is strengthened to confront Ahriman within the world."

Rudolf Steiner
Leading Thoughts
(March, 1925)   


SOURCE
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1012785195417162/permalink/3494837027211954/


namirha

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #46, on September 22nd, 2020, 01:58 AM »Last edited on January 14th, 2021, 06:07 AM




A 500-Year MYSTERY SOLVED TODAY:  Albrecht Dürer's mysterious and unnamed Polyhedron (represented in his renaissance masterpiece 'Melencholia' which also conceals a MASK on one of the pentagonal faces) made up of SIX irregular Pentagons along side two equilateral triangles (8 sides in total). Albrecht Dürer, a Polymath, is often referred to as the Leonardo Da Vinci of the north--Germany.  He was known to be an expert in perspective Geometry, a mentee of Luca Pacioli (also in direct contact with Leonardo Da Vinci); Pacioli co-authored the masterpiece work in perspective geometry called "Divine Proportione" with Leonardo.  Durer's structure integrates elements of both 'Five-ness' (Pentagon) and 'Six-ness' (Hexagon) into one very unique Polyhedron has been the subject of centuries of investigation, it has been widely believed to be an encryption for the Philosopher's Stone--Attainment of the 34th Degree (Magic Square pictured), The Philosopher's Stone: The God-Man/Ideal Human (Vitruvian Hu-man). Like Da Vinci, Dürer was a Rosicruscian....the Dürehedron encodes the Great Pyramid Slope (51.84°) in the inner angles of its SIX irregular Pentagonal sides yielding two perfect Pyramid side faces within the the Pentagons (alongside two equilateral triangles). It also hides the "Heart" within its irregular Pentagons which also uniquely encode Pythagorean Just Tuning frequencies (A: 54hz (126--recall VM upper right corner "126"), C#: 540hz, D: 288hz, and C: 63hz, the 'α' mathematical constant, the Ω constant, φ^2, and the prime-number related ratio of 1.24x.  Among the many similarities: the 'Hexapentakis' related hidden message of expanded awareness.  In addition to the decryption above, I also found the Dürehedron as an inherent structure within Metatron's Cube/The Flower of Life.  Dürer's ultimate symbolism and meaning behind the encryption? 'Raise the Heart/Pathos/Feminine (Pentagon)-Brain/Logos/Masculine (Hexagon) Consciousness to achieve the Alchemical Philosopher's Stone-The next evolution in Human Awareness.'

SOURCE
https://www.facebook.com/robertedwardgrant/posts/1443307075878214





Calvary, place of [the] skull...

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namirha

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #47, on September 28th, 2020, 12:00 PM »Last edited on January 14th, 2021, 06:12 AM


The Egyptian was the reverse of a theorist or mere thinker; he wanted to see with his senses how the soul took its way from the dead body into higher realms, he wanted to have this constructed before him. These thoughts he embodied in THE PYRAMIDS; the way the soul rises, how it leaves the body, how it is still partly fettered, and how it is led upwards to higher regions. In the architecture of THE PYRAMIDS we can see the fettering of the soul to what is earthly, we can see how kamaloka with its mysterious forms comes before us, and we can say that, considered externally, it is A SYMBOL OF THE SOUL which has left the body and is rising into higher realms.

YOUnivers Earth and Man
https://wn.rsarchive.org/GA/GA0105/19080804p01.html

3D illustration of a stereographic projection from the north pole onto a plane below the sphere...
https://at37.wordpress.com/.../01/rs-twistor-string-theory/
SATOR fractal
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=915688425504549&id=100011901996265

THE VACUUM ARITHMETIC
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=912618209144904&id=100011901996265

HOW TO BUILD WITH ATOMS THROUGH THE POWER OF THINKING
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=876790522727673&id=100011901996265

UNICURSAL
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=890164924723566&id=100011901996265

UNIc UrS ALL
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=683240938749300&id=100011901996265

Do what thou wilt...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/SacredGeometry369/permalink/2778537885805402/

PYRAMID HEART +X+
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1012785195417162/permalink/3311035355592123/

The Tetragram & Hexagram Unicursal Fractal Grid, displayed in octahedron format.
https://www.facebook.com/BrightonKotter/posts/466125630603370

What is born from the MIND can never be destroyed...
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=403069213433142&id=100011901996265

SEAL nine = MINE
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=734767156930011&id=100011901996265

INSIDEOUT
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=456423871431009&id=100011901996265

Mer Ka Ba
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=467618263644903&id=100011901996265

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namirha

Re: Re: science or religion?
« Reply #48, on September 29th, 2020, 03:44 AM »Last edited on January 14th, 2021, 06:24 AM


RoTaS SaToR Magic Square
https://at37.wordpress.com/.../01/rs-twistor-string-theory/



DUREHEDRON
https://www.facebook.com/robertedwardgrant/posts/1449669421908646
Robert Edward Grant



SYMBOL OF THE SOUL
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=919433821796676&set=a.134555690284497

A 500-Year MYSTERY SOLVED TODAY:
https://www.facebook.com/robertedwardgrant/posts/1443307075878214



The second example of mathematical harmony in the world is the inner structure of the four physical elements, earth, air, fire, and water. They are composed of particles having different geometrically perfect shapes built up out of two right triangles: (a) a half-EQUILATERAL isosceles TRIANGLE, and (b) a half-square. From such "sub-atomic" elements are obtained triangles and squares of different sizes, which in turn combine to form the faces of particles.
http://faculty.philosophy.umd.edu/jhbrown/beautyII/

2daY
29 9 2020
9 6 9

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