Greetings all! This will be my last attemp at Meyer circuitry and an HHO system and everything i've learned thus far has gone into it. The drive circuit which is based on two NEC 555's architecture, two optocouplers and a TIP 3055 is the most accurate i've built so far and works great.
I've decided to use two transformers in this design, T1 is producing 200v output with 5 amps available from the 3055, which will input into T2 and you'll notice i've half rectified the signal between T1 and T2 with a diode (D2). This is because I've decided to bias the voltage into T2 then bias it again with D3 before it goes into the chokes which are Tesla coils.
During pulse on time the secondary and the chokes of T2 are additive and inductive corresponding with the flux path of the core and the bias diode D3. During pulse off time, the secondary and both chokes's induction field tries to reverse direction but connot because of the blocking diode D3. So D3 is a forward bias during pulse on and blocking diode during pulse off.
The Tesla chokes: Having read Tesla's 1894 patent on his bifilar pancake coil, where the induction field is cancelling the voltage calculation is staggering and if this array doesn't produce the voltage we need then nothing will I guess.
Wish me luck guys because this is last chance saloon for me, having had a three months break from five years of tinkering and time to think about it this is it for me. Thanks to all who helped me work on the HHO system.

It looks promising nav. Looking forward to hearing what results you get. Keep us in the loop! :)

When are you getting to start building a real Meyer vic and wfc using data we already know instead?


Just an idea...


~webmug

Quote from Webmug on April 1st, 2017, 02:31 PM

When are you getting to start building a real Meyer vic and wfc using data we already know instead?


Just an idea...


~webmug

Already tried the way Ronnie told us, tried all of Stan's schematics and nothing works. Just can't get voltage on the cell. You can get high voltages on individual inductors but once you configure them together they kill each other or you get current across the cell. What else can I try? No one on the forum seems to be getting any voltage across the cell no matter what they do or at least no one is reporting it.
I can build spark plug drivers and Jacob's ladders all day long but to get the voltage per mm2 we need across the cell is a different matter altogether. I can create massively high voltages too with no current but once it leaves my VIC then the resistive losses in the transmission line and the cell seem to bring Ohm's law back into the equasion then current is substituted with voltage and the capacitor won't charge. I can place a spark gap across the output and get a lovely blue spark because the surface areas of the anode and cathode do not form enough resistive losses to lose the high voltage. As soon as you introduce massive capacitors into the loop, their value's are so out of touch with the series tuned circuit, it all goes haywire.
The dc resistance of my water fuel cell is 1800 ohms now in tap water, I can oxygenate the water with my O3 ultraviolet machine and change its dc resistance to 3000 ohms in the hope I can get the VIC to see as high impedance figure possible, as close to an open circuit as you can get, i've also tried electrolytes to lower the impedance to match that of the VIC and still you cannot build voltage on the cell, the tubes are just too far apart at 1mm or 2mm.
So my last attemp is to apply silly high voltage where my secondary on the VIC is 8.6kv with 200v into the primary (already measured this voltage) and i'm hoping the two chokes will create 50kv apiece if Tesla's 1894 patent is correct concerning what he said about bifilars having a cancelled induction field.
If I can't get voltage on the cell with a VIC that can produce 20kv then i'm aiming at 100kv and hope I reach some kind of cross over point between current and voltage.
Lets face it, anyone can go buy three flyback transformers for a tv set and wire them in series with a bias diode in the series circuit then have a cell in series, does it work? No - because the capacitance of the cell isn't right and all the reactances are screwed up. I've always said and mainly because Tesla said it, that you need to cancel the self inductance of the coils on the VIC and extend the distributed capacitance from inside the magnetic field to outside of the magnetic field and that is done by matching the capacitive reactance of the VIC, you don't need to match the inductive reactance because that becomes static once self inductance is cancelled. That leaves you with two parameters to match, the capactive reactance and the dc resistance @ frequency which is the impedance. I don't know how to create a condition to allow the distributed capacitance to leave a coil where the self inductance is cancelled, I know how to do it where current is involved but I don't know how to do it where current is static.

Webmug, lets just say I can create high voltage in the VIC by allowing the core to charge the secondary and two chokes to high voltage. I can then use a diode to cancel the self inductance of all three coils in series using the well known fact that all coils try to collapse in the reverse direction from which they were charged. Therefore the diode blocks the current path of the three series inductors. We need to keep the core moving otherwise the whole thing locks up and goes out of phase so we use the primary to present a false load by placing a resistor across it. Now we have cancelled self inductance of the secondary and two chokes plus a false load keeping the core moving and in phase with the drive circuit and flux circulating in phase.
We also know that a dielectric field which sits in the three inductors, it's reactance does not follow the reactance of the cancelled self inductance and can actually still go in the direction of the bias diode.
The voltage will not leave the confines of the magnetic field in the direction of the cancelled self inductance so cannot possibly react to resistance as a means of coercing the voltage into doing so, therefore resistance is not a factor but other dielectric fields in the series circuit are. Therefore the three inductors in series become additive just like series capacitors are and replacing the water fuel cell with a dead short would not result in a short circuit but act merely as a dielectric guide or adjoinment.
Therefore the water fuel cell which forms part of this dielectric adjoinment of series capacitors cannot use resistance as a means and the length of any cable in doing so is irrellevant but placing another capacitor in series with them (wfc) does make a difference and bearing in mind that the resistor across the primary is dictating the phase of the system during pulse off, what part of the water fuel cell (value) can coerce the voltage from inside the confines of the magnetic field?
Some kind of resonance? You always have to remember that the self inductance of the secondary and chokes was created by the core flux and primary but now you're asking the voltage to leave by another means when the self inductance is cancelled.
You tell me Webmug!

maybe this could help

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M

How about some voltage spikes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9_snSGRrxE&feature=youtu.be

Spark gap my friend, spark gap.   :nuke:

BTW, you can't give up on this.  Like many of us, you have too much time into it to quit now or ever.

AND...

This is the century for disclosure.  The answers will be forthcoming.

Matt a post of mine from 2 years ago:
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2313.0
Second picture down.

Blown my secondary coil this afternoon, did what I told people specifically not to do but did it accidentally, inputted 200v into the VIC primary but had the gate turned up full after I was inputting 12v yesterday. Nice crackle and pop and its shorted completely somewhere inside then melted the windings into a blob, dead as a door nail.
Coil winder back out soon and make another, I make that about 5 secondaries, about 12 diodes, a couple of chokes and a few tip 3055's i've fried so far. I hate this hobby.

Quote from nav on April 4th, 2017, 09:26 AM

I hate this hobby.

:-D

Ahh nav...  I have to laugh.

There's something about this project that forces us to move at a specific speed, some kind of synchronicity with the universe.  If we try too hard or move too fast, things go haywire.  It's like the solution to this involves all of life's mysteries, all wrapped up in one.  Our wee little human brains can only acquire so much knowledge per interval of time.

We'll get it nav, just slow your roll, take your time and fit the pieces together carefully.

Quote from Matt Watts on April 4th, 2017, 10:39 AM

:-D

Ahh nav...  I have to laugh.

There's something about this project that forces us to move at a specific speed, some kind of synchronicity with the universe.  If we try too hard or move too fast, things go haywire.  It's like the solution to this involves all of life's mysteries, all wrapped up in one.  Our wee little human brains can only acquire so much knowledge per interval of time.

We'll get it nav, just slow your roll, take your time and fit the pieces together carefully.

Hell if i'm in it for a penny i'm in it for a pound as they say, i'm ordering some more accurate equipment, a new bench power supply is first on the list with milliamp and volt meter, i've got my eye on a signal gen (20khz) that has a gate facilty (burst) with digital display and i'm going to drive my optocouplers with it and then a scope that goes up to 48 mhz. Also need to get some better core material for the VIC that doesn't fail above 9.5khz.

also Nav that meter your using for "HV" on your output, i have a few of those and they update to slow to get any real data out of... as you were using it. i found that only long steady measurements with those are accurate. even when measuring DC ! i dont like those...

~Russ

Tried babysteps Nav?
Start with 2 Volts, tune, see what gives.
Repeat at 4 Volts.
Does the TIP3055 get alarmingly hot at any time, even at the very low voltages?
If so, why?
And bla bla bla, etc etc, you know what I mean.

Quote from ~Russ on April 4th, 2017, 12:49 PM

also Nav that meter your using for "HV" on your output, i have a few of those and they update to slow to get any real data out of... as you were using it. i found that only long steady measurements with those are accurate. even when measuring DC ! i dont like those...

~Russ

Yes I agree. scope is best way, just ordered a new ferrite core, gonna have an whole new VIC with some better test and drive equipment

Quote from Lynx on April 4th, 2017, 01:41 PM

Tried babysteps Nav?
Start with 2 Volts, tune, see what gives.
Repeat at 4 Volts.
Does the TIP3055 get alarmingly hot at any time, even at the very low voltages?
If so, why?
And bla bla bla, etc etc, you know what I mean.

That is my usual way but i accidentally had the gate up full when the VIC was open circuit. That VIC had never been on full input power in its short life, it has now lol. Too many volts in and no where for the voltage to dissipate = secondary overload even with a resistor across the primary. If my dielectric coating was 3 or 4 layer on the coil wire, it may not have happened but this is only dual layer stuff so you gotta be careful. New VIC on the way with a better core.

Quote from nav on April 4th, 2017, 01:55 PM

That is my usual way but i accidentally had the gate up full when the VIC was open circuit. That VIC had never been on full input power in its short life, it has now lol. Too many volts in and no where for the voltage to dissipate = secondary overload even with a resistor across the primary. If my dielectric coating was 3 or 4 layer on the coil wire, it may not have happened but this is only dual layer stuff so you gotta be careful. New VIC on the way with a better core.

:thumbsup:

Just ordered a function generator that is much more accurate than any circuit board for providing a gated main pulse.
Functions are:
1hz - 24Mhz output
Fully prgrammable burst mode with internal burst trigger or external trigger (gate)
Sign, square, triangle, ramp, pulse, staircase.
Full sweep function that is programmable such as burst mode.
USB cable to PC with software if you decide to control the unit from the PC.
Tracking function input socket that tracks and saves highest voltage amplitudes to your PC during sweep mode - I'm liking this function guys.
I can control my VIC input frequecies by using the function generator through the optocoupler and the TIP3055 and it will be isolated from the main VIC input voltage.
I'm looking forward to playing with this new toy guys.

Now you see the good side of this hobby don't you nav...?

More toys.     :-)

Quote from nav on April 5th, 2017, 12:53 PM

Just ordered a function generator that is much more accurate than any circuit board for providing a gated main pulse.
Functions are:
1hz - 24Mhz output
Fully prgrammable burst mode with internal burst trigger or external trigger (gate)
Sign, square, triangle, ramp, pulse, staircase.
Full sweep function that is programmable such as burst mode.
USB cable to PC with software if you decide to control the unit from the PC.
Tracking function input socket that tracks and saves highest voltage amplitudes to your PC during sweep mode - I'm liking this function guys.
I can control my VIC input frequecies by using the function generator through the optocoupler and the TIP3055 and it will be isolated from the main VIC input voltage.
I'm looking forward to playing with this new toy guys.

Looks like it has lots of functions, what type of function generator is it?
I use a Rigol DG1022. Russ has the same one if I remember correctly.

~webmug

OWON AG1022

Quote from Webmug on April 6th, 2017, 03:36 AM

Looks like it has lots of functions, what type of function generator is it?
I use a Rigol DG1022. Russ has the same one if I remember correctly.

~webmug

yes i do,

Nav the one you picked out looks nice!

new toys sure are nice!!

~Russ