##### Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« on March 29th, 2017, 02:35 AM »
Here is a topic thread to present experiments and documentation regarding LEW ( Longitudinal Electordynamic Waves) SLW (Scalar Longitudinal Waves) LMD (Longitudinal Magneto-Dielectric Waves) Coulomb Electrodynamic Waves, Electrostatic Waves, ect. Whatever you wish to call it, waves that move like Tesla refereed to on many occasions as Non-Hertzian waves. So we will begin with Tesla and his

It could be said that Tesla was mistaken to a degree about his non-hertzian waves. Very well described in this article.
http://amasci.com/tesla/tmistk.html

Here is an interesting experiment, though I am not sure if it would be conclusive evidence.
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Charles%20Yost%20-%20Longitudinal%20Electrodynamic%20Wave%20Experiments.pdf

#### Matt Watts

##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #1, on March 29th, 2017, 03:02 AM »Last edited on March 29th, 2017, 03:09 AM
If we can assume dielectricity is a fundamental component of the Aether and these longitudinal waves exist only as dielectricity with no magnetic component, we have a chance of proving something.  If we can't verify the existence of dielectricity or of the Aether, then we're hosed.  Oh.  Yeah.  Counter space, don't forget that aspect either.

I actually like, "cold electricity" the more I think about it.   :-)

#### nav

##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #2, on March 29th, 2017, 08:50 AM »
Quote from Matt Watts on March 29th, 2017, 03:02 AM
If we can assume dielectricity is a fundamental component of the Aether and these longitudinal waves exist only as dielectricity with no magnetic component, we have a chance of proving something.  If we can't verify the existence of dielectricity or of the Aether, then we're hosed.  Oh.  Yeah.  Counter space, don't forget that aspect either.

I actually like, "cold electricity" the more I think about it.   :-)
Stan's cells didn't get warm, what does that tell you?

#### Webmug

##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #3, on March 29th, 2017, 09:04 AM »
Quote from nav on March 29th, 2017, 08:50 AM
Stan's cells didn't get warm, what does that tell you?
Low or no current flow.
~webmug

#### haxar

##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #4, on March 29th, 2017, 11:57 AM »Last edited on March 29th, 2017, 12:01 PM
Quote from nav on March 29th, 2017, 08:50 AM
Stan's cells didn't get warm, what does that tell you?
No current/electron consumption, therefore no heat. Known as, L.M.D.

T.E.M. waves would do just that.

#### Matt Watts

##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #5, on March 29th, 2017, 01:57 PM »Last edited on March 29th, 2017, 09:55 PM
Think "resistive element".  If I have my head wrapped around these concepts correctly, amperage, current, magnetic component all manifest when attempting to pass through a resistor.  A resistor actually strips the magnetic component away from the dielectric component and the process that takes place creates heat.

Any loss in a system is due to this separation of the magnetic from the dielectric.  This is essentially what takes place when you attempt to pass TEM waves through a Faraday cage.  There is ample evidence this process does not take place with LMD waves, since they have no magnetic component.

What I'm not clear about is what happens to the dielectric component when the magnetic is stripped away.  Where does it go?  Does it return to counter space?  Does it reflect?  Is this the BEMF we witness on our test equipment?

W.B. Smith explains the Field Fabric composed of tempic, electric and magnetic fields.  Each one in succession is an application of the Quadrature Concept.  Tempic is referred to as Change; Electric (or dielectric) as Divergence and Magnetic as Curl.  These terms, if we come to understand them correctly, should give us a clue how these fields behave and how they are dependent on their lower form fields.  I tend to think of the Quadrature Concept as integration in calculus, but I'm not certain that is actually correct.

The waves we are exploring here are composites of the three primordial fields; TEM waves are one such composite or hybrid.  A Tensor wave is another.  I think the most simple wave is the LMD wave, composed only of tempic and dielectric fields.  That's three composites I can put my finger on, there are probably others with varying characteristics.
##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #6, on March 29th, 2017, 08:43 PM »
It's right here for you to read for yourself Ben:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/energy/wilbur_smith_new_science

You can choose to make an assumption that it is correct and follow it wherever it leads.  Or not.

I happen to think like Mr. Smith that mainstream science and engineering followed a branch of the tree down a wrong path and has now painted itself into a corner, unwilling to back up to the main trunk and look at other branches of the tree.  We make laws based on a very limited view of our discovery.  They are incomplete at best; patently wrong in some instances.  I also think their are disciplines hard at work on this planet right now that know what has happened and are many years advanced from mainstream science and engineering.  Ben Rich (former director of Lockheed Skunk Works) was quoted as saying, "Anything you can imagine, we have already done."  I worked at Lockheed for seven years and I can tell you from first hand experience, if you dream up something, there are people employed at Lockheed who can build it.  They follow the evidence wherever it leads and if they find themselves making incorrect assumptions, they backup and go in a different direction.  Some sharp cookies there.  I wish I was one of them, but that would take the fun out of trying to walk in their shoes.

So Ben, you assume I'm trying to stroke my ego...  You want to make this personal I reckon.  There's an old saying, "Lead, follow or get the he11 out of the way."  You're not winning any points with me or several other members of this forum sorry to say.  Kruger effect aay?  You actually think I have a metacognitive incapacity?  Sure, I have limitations, lots of them, but I know what most of them are and I will go under, over, or around them to the best of my ability until I get where I want to go.  Suppose I label you as having cognitive dissonance.  You like that?  Make you feel good?  Does saying that contribute in some way to this thread or the forum in general?  Suppose we top it off with narcissistic personality disorder where you attempt to project your own mental issues upon someone else?  Feeling good yet.  Fun getting it all out in the open huh Ben.  No , I won't label you.  I'll let you do that for yourself.  You can be who or whatever you want to be.  It's your choice.  You can set fire to any bridges you want to.

In the meantime, I apologize Diadon for horking up your thread.  Certainly wasn't my intention.  Unfortunately, I'm not going to sit here and let someone pee down my leg and tell me it's raining.  Probably I need to Put-Up or Shut-Up.  Let me do some more reading, hit the bench and see if I can cobble something together that incorporates the ideas as I see them.  Get down to brass tacks as they say.

##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #7, on March 30th, 2017, 12:50 AM »
No worries Matt.  People sometimes get frustrated at the things they don't understand and externalize there confusion with anger. I should probably put together a video of all my research on it. I got a few more bits from a friend on Skype who had some interesting literature on the matter of Longitudinal Electro-Dynamic waves.

Here is to help some of the mathematical language of Scalar physics
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https://pdfs.settp://scalarphysics.com/resources/thomas_minderle/thomas_minderle-a_brief_introduction_to_scalar_physics.pdf

Here is an observation of SLEW (Scalar Longitudinal Electrodynamic Waves)
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6eb8/97f064aa30ee07a1fe38cafc2bb6466ecf6a.pdf

Here is a patent where the supposed effect is being used

If anybody has more to add, especially personal experiments, I would love to see them. We can post Tesla's work on Non-hertzian waves if anybody wish's too. I think most people on this forum has probably had a look at all his work. The experiment that is most compelling I think, is to apply a electrical force to a object inside a Faraday cage. A one wire connection, the wire being RF or Earth ground, would be profound.

#### Matt Watts

##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #8, on March 30th, 2017, 02:00 AM »Last edited on March 30th, 2017, 03:20 AM
For some reason the forum kind of mangled your first link.  Here it is again:
http://scalarphysics.com/resources/thomas_minderle/thomas_minderle-a_brief_introduction_to_scalar_physics.pdf

Very interesting compared against the work of W.B. Smith.  The main thing I spot right away is Smith uses the term "Tempic Field" and Minderle uses "Gravitaional Potential", but states it determines the rate of time.  A rose by any other name is still ...
##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #9, on March 30th, 2017, 02:07 AM »
Almost verbatim of what Don Smith said.
##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #10, on March 30th, 2017, 03:11 PM »
Beautiful !

I had a feeling this might be the case.

##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #11, on March 30th, 2017, 11:53 PM »
I have done a little more research at work on breaks. Here is a fantastic experiment that seems to approximate a coulomb wave. There is a wave length approximation method that they use that I don't fully understand yet mathematically.  This was a exploration to see if coulomb discharges are instantaneous.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0010036v1.pdf

Here is a fantastic paper on Non-Relativistic Scalar field theory.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1005.3130.pdf

Which essentially is talking about 4D vector  fields, much like Tom Bearden was talking about. Tom Bearden once made a statement I found interesting, that Heaviside and Gibbs re-wrote Maxwell's Equations to make them more malleable to understand. Basically bringing the 20 quaternians and 20 unknowns ( which deal with scalar vector potentials that are known, and imaginary vector potentials.) Maxwell formulated. Maxwell was however much like Einstein, Poincare, and the like based in strictly imaginative mathematical realm.  What we need is more Newton's,Faraday's, Tesla's, ect. Using math as a language to document what is happening in nature rather than the other way around.

Free energy from the harvesting of time flow is what we are born to do I feel. Our Conscious Energy is a representation of time in a longitudinal vector in which we explore what it is to be alive in an almost fractal nature. Cascading our experiences and influence to others who share this same time. Everything is energy in different frequencies and vibrations. The human being is no exception of this rule. Right now how our social system is designed, we have a resistor for a governance that is bleeding off stored potential. We need a LC circuit that is in tune with the planet. But I digress to beliefs that have less value on the tongue or keys, then they do in practical application. I have go back to building some stuff :)

#### reverandkilljoy

##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #12, on March 31st, 2017, 01:18 AM »
well dollard says it quite plainly, as nav probably knows, lmd is what flows through dielectric, lmd is what flows to setup the electric field in a capacitor....

thing radial vs axial with respect to coil axis....

thers a big difference between phase and group velocity.....

##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #13, on April 2nd, 2017, 07:37 AM »
Quote from reverandkilljoy on March 31st, 2017, 01:18 AM
well dollard says it quite plainly, as nav probably knows, lmd is what flows through dielectric, lmd is what flows to setup the electric field in a capacitor....

thing radial vs axial with respect to coil axis....

thers a big difference between phase and group velocity.....
Yes, in standard physics these are known as Coulomb Fields.

I will put a collection of the hypothetical examples of Electrodynamic Longitudinal waves.

Alex Petty's video collection. Here he refers to it as Xc which a fitting name for meaning its Capacitive reactance in EE.

Thanks to Russ and Alex

Of course who could forget my first introduction to this circuit. Mr. Angus Wangus

Here is something that should also be noted in the effect. I don't ever recommend doing this at home as Ryan is proving a point at his own risk.

Here is another Hairpin experiment I did that I recorded where I use a Microwave oven diode to partially rectify one side of the spark gap to ground to draw more current. The UVC tube increased in brightness and the 120 Watt Halogen didn't seem to diminish.  The capactive balancing as I called it in the video is tuning the Xc or Impedance matching of the RLC circuit. Where the R is the spark gap, L is the wire length, and the C is the capacitors evenly matched. The frequency seems to reach the MHz range with a well tuned Leetcher Line or Hairpin circuit.

Here is one of the best videos I have been able to find on this subject. The Oscilloscope and LT Spice recreations look to me an awful lot like a Longitudinal wave front.  Or another way to describe it is a wave packet of RF.
Enjoy this one :)

I am not saying there is over-unity or anything radical. Just observations of how we can influence energy and how nature responds.

#### Matt Watts

##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #14, on April 2nd, 2017, 03:25 PM »
Good stuff there Diadon.  Watching that last video made something very apparent to me...

We need a spark gap for the Meyer's VIC to function.

Ronnie has indicated when his cell is operating, you can hear a sound similar to bacon frying coming from the coils.  So there must be a spark gap of sorts within the coil windings.  Unfortunately, it will be completely hit-or-miss trying to replicate this system as we currently understand it.

If we go back to the hairpin circuit and exchange the low ESR capacitors for choke coils, assuming these choke coils indeed have a small capacitance, then at the exit of the secondary winding, I would assume this to be a good starting point for the placement of a tiny spark gap.  The layout of the VIC physically separates the two chokes, so there cannot be any reasonable location beyond the secondary to place a spark gap.

I still need to think more about the diode in the VIC circuit and how it equates into the Tesla hairpin circuit beyond a straight forward mechanism to create polarity in the output, which may really be all it does.  Just need to study it a little more to be sure.

Overall though, I still think the basis of the Meyer's VIC stems directly from the Tesla hairpin circuit.  To me, the generation of LMD waves is the only explanation that satisfies how we would overcome the cell array resistance.  Longitudinal pulses of pure dielectricity or potential solve this dilemma quite nicely.
##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #15, on April 2nd, 2017, 05:44 PM »Last edited on April 2nd, 2017, 10:25 PM
One other little note I think is directly related to the Meyer VIC...

Ronnie told me when he gets his system "out of tune", he blows the insulation on the secondary.  It burns through via arcing and destroys it.  So let's think about what "out of tune" may really mean.  I suspect it means the voltage climbs too high and even the heavy coat insulation the secondary is wound with can no longer handle the stress.  Somewhere in that coil though, there is arcing taking place, else we wouldn't hear the popping and crackling.  That arcing IS the spark gap.  There is some form of discharge taking place.

So what do you guys want to bet that if we place a gas discharge tube arrester (gap) directly across the secondary, we solve two problems in one shot.  We prevent the secondary from burning through AND we promote the exact conditions necessary for the Tesla hairpin circuit to operate.  This is definitely worth trying in my book.  If I'm right about this, it's no wonder it seems almost magic to get the Meyer VIC/WFC system to function.  Without just the right kind of wire and having it wound in such a way as to create a hidden spark gap, there's no possible way it could work.  Hope I'm on to something here.  If so, I would be willing to bet the whole VIC system could be drastically simplified.  The only critical factor then would be to wind the choke coils in such a manner as to get the correct capacitance so the nodes are properly spaced.  The primary and secondary could likely be replaced by a simple step-up driver, nothing fancy.  Maybe even the photo flash circuit in a disposable camera would be sufficient.

#### nav

##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #16, on April 3rd, 2017, 10:05 AM »Last edited on April 3rd, 2017, 11:52 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on April 2nd, 2017, 03:25 PM
Good stuff there Diadon.  Watching that last video made something very apparent to me...

We need a spark gap for the Meyer's VIC to function.

Ronnie has indicated when his cell is operating, you can hear a sound similar to bacon frying coming from the coils.  So there must be a spark gap of sorts within the coil windings.  Unfortunately, it will be completely hit-or-miss trying to replicate this system as we currently understand it.

If we go back to the hairpin circuit and exchange the low ESR capacitors for choke coils, assuming these choke coils indeed have a small capacitance, then at the exit of the secondary winding, I would assume this to be a good starting point for the placement of a tiny spark gap.  The layout of the VIC physically separates the two chokes, so there cannot be any reasonable location beyond the secondary to place a spark gap.

I still need to think more about the diode in the VIC circuit and how it equates into the Tesla hairpin circuit beyond a straight forward mechanism to create polarity in the output, which may really be all it does.  Just need to study it a little more to be sure.

Overall though, I still think the basis of the Meyer's VIC stems directly from the Tesla hairpin circuit.  To me, the generation of LMD waves is the only explanation that satisfies how we would overcome the cell array resistance.  Longitudinal pulses of pure dielectricity or potential solve this dilemma quite nicely.
I can hear it in my set up at the moment and the noise is coming from the negative choke, it sounds like something is frying but when you check the resistance afterwards they are ok so its not doing any harm. If you ask me it sounds like the dielectric coating is breaking down on L2 and i'll tell you something else that happens: If you take a wire off your cell and tap it back to the cell quickly, the voltage goes bananas across the cell, its as if there is huge voltage trapped in the VIC and it can't get out but if you oscillate it yourself, the voltage starts to hit the cell. I've thought of breaking the circuit between the positive choke and the cell with another transistor but something tells me there ain't no tranny that can take the voltage, so you'd need a Tesla rotary spark gap.
##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #17, on April 3rd, 2017, 11:51 AM »Last edited on April 3rd, 2017, 11:54 AM
Think about it! Lets say you have three inductors which cannot oscillate because they are being driven by the pulsing core and the pulse width is dictating matters. If you cannot get the three inductors to self oscillate during the gate and you have the self inductance cancelled because of the diode then why not oscillate the circuit yourself by placing a rotary spark gap between the positive choke and the cell. On my VIC when I tap the crocodile clip from the positive choke against the cell connector, everytime you do it my meter registers 1500v, I can keep tapping it and i get 1500v everytime no matter how fast I tap it and sometimes 2kv if I tap it fast enough.
There is voltage available in the direction of the bias diode but I can't get it out of the VIC because the primary is not allowing a self resonant condition and probably because of reactances between the cell and inductors. The voltage is across the cell terminals by the way and when I tap it there is no change in current.
##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #18, on April 3rd, 2017, 01:12 PM »
Matt here is a video I made just now, I think what is happening is a high voltage spark is jumping across the microswitch i'm pressing which has no effect on current because I have my diode blocking current in that direction. The system is running at low frequency and all we have is 180v which is about right for three series inductors with a step up of 1:6.
The real voltage potential is trapped inside the inductors and will not emerge until they hit self resonance BUT if you force the output across a spark gap that is in series with the cell not parallel and you oscillate the output of the positive choke somehow then you can get 2kv with every oscillation without doubt.

##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #19, on April 3rd, 2017, 01:24 PM »
The switch is dead shorting the circuit btw
##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #20, on April 3rd, 2017, 02:23 PM »
Matt, when ever you test a VIC and what its response is, NEVER do it with high voltages into the primary, set your gating circuit 1K variable resistor to control the input voltage to the VIC primary and make sure when the 1k variable resistor is at its lowest setting the input to the primary measures zero volts, then as you increase the voltage to the primary you can measure the output voltage of the VIC in open circuit. Open circuit will not destroy the VIC providing you are at the right frequency and the gate is turned right down.
But here is something rather important and a condition you must have: Dead short the output terminals of the VIC and make sure you have the resistor across the primary, at no point on the amp meter under any frequency or gate length should you be drawing any current when the self inductance of all three secondaries is cancelled by the blocking diode. All that should happen is the resistor across the primary will present a false load and will get really warm because resistance of the false load will drain flux from the core and it will remove the inductance from the VIC. When the VIC is under load from any other direction such as the blocking diode not working then the shunt resistor across the primary will become cooler. In other circuits this is a light bulb and when the light bulb shines then the VIC is inhibiting current. When you place a dead short across your VIC becareful that you have it wired correctly and you don't open the gate fully and for long periods of time otherwise it will blow the dielectric coating from the coil wire.

#### Matt Watts

##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #21, on April 6th, 2017, 07:56 PM »Last edited on April 6th, 2017, 08:07 PM
Just for your amusement, I returned today from the 33rd annual Space Symposium here in Colorado Springs.  A technical representative from TMC Design confirmed my suspicion of the military use of LMD waves:
http://www.tmcdesign.com/new-index/

These systems can be as small as a handheld device to as large as a freight cargo vessel.  They can do most anything biologically from making you sneeze, crapping your pants, going immediately to sleep, to stopping your heart.  This stuff is real and in-use right now, today.  It's no joke.

Oh, and yes, they can split water molecules.  Quite easily I might add.

And you might think to yourself, naah Matt, you're full of crap, they're just regular TEM microwaves.  I thought that too until I got a nod they can penetrate a Faraday cage or hardened steel bunker.  There's only one kind of energy wave I can think of able to do that.

Still think I'm kidding, look at their logo:

#### haxar

##### Re: Electrical Longitudinal Waves (Non-Hertzian Waves)
« Reply #22, on April 6th, 2017, 08:10 PM »
For the Department of Defense. They're that special.

While the Department of Education, not really. They can't know.