If you find LENR/Cold Fusion interesting and have a theory as to how it functions. Please share your theory. Also, I want to add, thank you Russ for creating this forum. It is a great place to discuss and work together on alternative energy projects and ideas. Russ, you are the man! :)

i find this subject interesting... i have done a simple experiment back in 2006 where i had two SS 304 plates like 10cm x 20cmx 4mm connected thru a full wave bridge rectifier and 220v milan italy power source..

the result was that with 3 amps within 15 minutes 1 liter of water turned into vapor... the reservoir was acryilic and there was around 4 liters inside...

so if you make the calculation its impossible to make so much vapor with so low current..

my theory is that i had bad metters at the time...

but if they were good is possible that the extra energy come from the vibration of the molecules

i believe the vibration is what can indeed approximate the atoms in a palladium lattice to induce fusion... vibration is heat too!

Just curious Ben...

Suppose several of us are able to successfully replicate the works of Stan Meyer's water splitting process as a means to extract energy from the environment.  Would this achievement in any way bias your thinking about LENR?  Bluntly, would you abandon your effort or would you continue on?

The reason I ask is multifaceted.  I'm thinking big picture, ultimate goal here.  It just seems LENR is so complex compared to other technologies and the output of LENR is mostly limited to heat which would require further conversions to be fully utilized.

Maybe I've watched too many Russian YouTube videos, but I've become rather practical in my thinking--focused strictly on the final goal and the easiest path to get there.

Sebosfato: That sounds like an interesting experiment... 220VAC rectified is 311VDC - 0.7V (voltage drop for the diodes if silicon), so thats 310.3VDC @ 3A = 930.9Watts for 15 minutes.... To me, that's quite a bit of power and will generate a lot of heat... 930Watts worth of heat.. Your using 1L of water evaporating as a measurement.. problem with that is you don't know the starting temperature of the water.. Plus you state "around 4 Liters of water", well that amount plays a huge role in the calculations for calorimetry... You think vibration of the lattice may play a role in inducing fusion in regards to the LENR./Cold Fusion phenomenon, interesting. I personally don't see how it would play a role, but who knows right? Anyways, thanks for the comment, you should do your experiment again with tightening up the variables a bit.

Matt Watts: Ok, suppose you and several others did successfully replicate Stan Meyers technology, and proved without a doubt that you indeed were having real energy gains. In that scenario I would evaluate and learn as much as possible, and I likely would make try to replicate it too... So, when you guys do successfully replicate Mr Meyers tech, be sure to share on this forum so I can start the replication process.

BUT... as it stands today, from what I've learned, the only exotic technology that has been proven without a doubt it LENR/Cold Fusion, today presently, I have to go to where the grass is greenest... Plus you guys are way deep into the Stanley Meyers stuff, so if I were to go down that path it would take me years to get to where you are all now. I do hope it is a success in the end, I don't know enough about it to really have a serious opinion on it.

With respect to the big picture, LENR to date has only produced small amounts of excess heat. BUT no one knows the function of it. If we knew how the phenomenon functioned then we could design with the function setting the parameters. So, I think the potential of LENR is incredibly huge. All I'm hoping to do it play a small role in doing my calorimetric experiments to the best of my abilities, 1st goal, prove to myself that indeed it is real (with a positive experimental result), 2nd goal: Change variables to see if I can influence the results... I have an hunch that these cosmic high energy particle play a role in triggering the phenomenon. Having the high energy cosmic particles being the trigger does explain the seemingly random results witnessed by labs around the world... My hunch is, larger hydrogen/deuterium loaded lattice = more instances of anomalous heat... But at the end of the day, these are just my theories and suppositions. Luckily using cosmic ray detection techniques and the wonderful art of statistical analysis I will be able to prove whether my hypothesis is correct or not..

I love all of this stuff, I really can't think of anything better to do with my free time.
Peace everyone.

Quote from Matt Watts on March 23rd, 2017, 09:21 PM

It just seems LENR is so complex compared to other technologies and the output of LENR is mostly limited to heat which would require further conversions to be fully utilized.

Sorry to bother you again Matt but I was thinking about what you said (quoted above).
I don't see how LENR is so complex, in the classical Pons & Fleischmann cell (which is what I am starting my LENR/Cold Fusion journey doing **I do plan an eventually experimenting with all the supposed LENR/Cold Fusion processes with the exception of the Rossi stuff <--which I believe is just a scam put fourth by an obtuse individual ((but that's a whole other topic))**)

The complexity lies in proving the phenomenon to be true experimentally, but at the end of the day even that is quite simple in the grand scheme of things.

I can describe everything in one paragraph: Platinum anode Palladium/Nickel Cathode, LiOH electrolyte. DC current put through the cell, Hydrogen/Deuterium loads into the cathode, them by some unknown function, anomalous heat energy is produced at seemingly random intervals... To prove whether excess heat is created you need temperature sense, voltage sense, current sense and the ability to do some math (a micro-controller is ideal).

I don't see that is particularly complex, sure the execution becomes complex as one learns the nuance of calorimetry, but in science, a little bit of complexity is expected.

So the challenge I pose to you is describe to me how the Stanley Meyers tech works. Also describe how you are going about measuring your input power vs your output power. I ask you to do this so I can:

a) Get a better understanding of the Stanley Meyers tech
b) See how much less/more complex the energy measurement system is compared to calorimetry.

Thanks Matt,
Also like I said, I sincerely hope the Meyers tech is proven, just like I hope the function if LENR/Cold Fusion is figured out.
At the end of the day, our goals are the same and we want nothing more than to make a positive impact on humanity, whether we are successful or not, it is an honorable and noble quest.
Peace homee,
Sincerely
Ben Komisar

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Quote from benkomisar on March 24th, 2017, 07:05 PM

So the challenge I pose to you is describe to me how the Stanley Meyers tech works.

I think the Tesla Hairpin Circuit is the most basic description of Stan Meyer's VIC.  You create dielectric LMD waves that form standing wave nodes.  You then tune those waves to form nodes exactly on the plate surfaces.  Get that far and you should be splitting water with pure voltage.  IMHO, the concept is about as simple as you can get.

Quote from benkomisar on March 24th, 2017, 07:05 PM

Also describe how you are going about measuring your input power vs your output power.

Closed loop operation--measurements not required.  Take the gas output; use it to produce enough power to drive the system in self-sustaining operation.  Game, set, match.  Case closed.

If you can do LENR as simple as that, I'm all ears.

Quote from benkomisar on March 24th, 2017, 07:05 PM

At the end of the day, our goals are the same and we want nothing more than to make a positive impact on humanity, whether we are successful or not, it is an honorable and noble quest.

Here the two of us differ.  My goal is to verify what Nikola and Stan spent much of their lives investigating and to share my results.  What humanity does with those results is up to them.  I personal feel humanity has abandoned themselves and will successfully destroy their home in a matter of decades.  Why people chose to go in this direction is anyone's guess.  My desire is to prove we didn't have to.

Quote from Matt Watts on March 24th, 2017, 08:26 PM

I think the Tesla Hairpin Circuit is the most basic description of Stan Meyer's VIC.  You create dielectric LMD waves that form standing wave nodes.  You then tune those waves to form nodes exactly on the plate surfaces.  Get that far and you should be splitting water with pure voltage.  IMHO, the concept is about as simple as you can get.

Alex Petty had a hairpin circuit in one video. If he were to hit the water directly, what would you get?

Quote

Alex Petty 7 years ago

Charge moves through this circuit in a nonlinear manner, which is to say it traverses distance without time. This form of transmission operates super efficiently. One can power a 300W load with 40AWG wire and the wire doesn't even get warm!  Tesla stated that distance is meaningless and this circuit proves it.  Here, the bulb is acting more like a battery with the bulbs filament converting non-linear Complex charge amplitudes produced by the spark gap back to Real plane values which can do work.

L.M.D. again.

Quote from Matt Watts on March 24th, 2017, 08:26 PM

I think the Tesla Hairpin Circuit is the most basic description of Stan Meyer's VIC.  You create dielectric LMD waves that form standing wave nodes.  You then tune those waves to form nodes exactly on the plate surfaces.  Get that far and you should be splitting water with pure voltage.  IMHO, the concept is about as simple as you can get.

Closed loop operation--measurements not required.  Take the gas output; use it to produce enough power to drive the system in self-sustaining operation.  Game, set, match.  Case closed.

Hello Matt,

Forgive my ignorance but what does LMD stand for? Also, I'm pretty sure you need voltage and some current to split water? <-if you could show evidence of a case where just voltage was used to split water I would love to see it, because that in itself would be a huge discovery.
Concepts are often simple, executing them in reality is where things get difficult and more complex.

On to the second part of what I quoted from your statements. With respect to closed loop operation, have you or anyone else (other than Stan Meyers) successfully pulled off closed loop operation? If the answer is yes then again I would love to see the evidence because that would be a huge deal.

Humans for the most part are good. I think humanity will pull through. But these are just opinions.

Tell you the truth though, the Stanley Meyers tech seems really complicated to me... More complicated than passing some DC through an electrolytic cell (as is the case with LENR). Plus LENR has been proven by reputable labs, which is the power that keeps my compass pointed in that direction.... We just have a difference of opinions though. Also, this is not a competition on who's right or wrong, just a discussion.

One thing I'd like you to remember about Tesla, he was a great man, truly ingenious. But his opinions were not infallible. When nuclear physics was first being theorized & introduced mathematically, Tesla claimed it was complete nonsense, he thought it was mathematical garbage and would never be physically manifested... But indeed nuclear physics was proven to be legitimate, proven through nuclear weapons and nuclear power plants.. Tesla (may he rest in peace) never lived long enough to see his error on the subject. There are also other cases where Tesla was off point..

The point I'm trying to make here is that Tesla was a great man, but he (like the rest of us) did make some mistakes.

So Matt, from what I understand from your statement you say that with the Meyers tech you use an AC system to get a standing wave where the current is 180degress out of phase with the voltage on the plates of the electrolytic cell? And when you have this standing wave with just voltage and no current you get electrolysis of water?

Thanks,
Ben

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Quote from benkomisar on March 24th, 2017, 10:54 PM

Forgive my ignorance but what does LMD stand for?

Longitudinal Magneto Dieletric

Quote from benkomisar on March 24th, 2017, 10:54 PM

So Matt, from what I understand from your statement you say that with the Meyers tech you use an AC system to get a standing wave where the current is 180degress out of phase with the voltage on the plates of the electrolytic cell?

There is no current; there is no sine wave.  LMD waves are like sound waves using the raw element of the Aether, dielectricity.

Quote from benkomisar on March 24th, 2017, 10:54 PM

And when you have this standing wave with just voltage and no current you get electrolysis of water?

Not electrolysis, but yes, the water molecule comes apart due to dielectric stress.

Quote from haxar on March 24th, 2017, 10:03 PM

Alex Petty had a hairpin circuit in one video. If he were to hit the water directly, what would you get?

Nothing.

The Tesla Hairpin Circuit on its own is way out of tune for dealing with water.  The nodes are too far apart.  The concept is sound though.  My thinking is the Meyer VIC takes Tesla's concept and tunes it just the way we need.

Quote from benkomisar on March 24th, 2017, 10:54 PM

The point I'm trying to make here is that Tesla was a great man, but he (like the rest of us) did make some mistakes.

He sure did.  He came to the wrong planet.  And I'll bet he never makes that mistake again.

Quote from Matt Watts on March 24th, 2017, 11:27 PM

He sure did.  He came to the wrong planet.  And I'll bet he never makes that mistake again.

Tesla came to the right planet at the right time, he was a key player in revolutionizing modern society with his poly-phase AC system as well as radio, as well as florescent lighting etc.. (<--the list goes on and on)

His 3-phase generation and 3-phase motor systems are still used in industry everywhere today. He had the system perfect the first time. He was an epic and amazing individual. He is idolized by many (rightfully so) and even modern savants like Elon Musk have paid him homage.

BUT, these does not make his opinion infallible. He was wrong when it came to his assessment of nuclear physics and he was off point on his assessment of other experiments he had done. <-- this doesn't in any way make him less of a great man, it just shows he was a human, prone to error like the rest of us.

Quote from Matt Watts on March 24th, 2017, 11:20 PM

Longitudinal Magneto Dieletric

There is no current; there is no sine wave.  LMD waves are like sound waves using the raw element of the Aether, dielectricity.

OK, LMD waves. Is there any empirical scientific evidence that these instantaneous faster than light waves exist?

Thanks,
Ben

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"The only things that are truly real, the things that hold any real power, in this illusion we call reality, are the forces of Love & Respect."   
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Quote from benkomisar on March 25th, 2017, 12:46 AM

OK, LMD waves. Is there any empirical scientific evidence that these instantaneous faster than light waves exist?

Simple math will tell you if you remove the magnetic component of a TEM (Transverse ElectroMagnetic) wave, the very minimum speed of an LMD wave must be Pi/2 * C.

And as far as these waves existing, yes, there's plenty of evidence.  The easiest one is to subject a radio receiver to them enclosed in a Faraday Cage.  With no magnetic component, an LMD wave passes through a Faraday Cage as though it wasn't even there.

There are also Tensor waves which are a more complex form of LMDs.  Shaped in the form of a toroid (think smoke ring), these waves have a peculiar aspect to them where the leading and trailing edge exist in the same time frame, actually contain the same tempic field strength.  They can be produced via a caduceus coil and have been verified by pouring RF energy into them and having no heat, light, EMI or any detectible emissions.  It's as though the energy simply disappears.  What can be done with these waves is beyond my speculation.  I'll stick to the more simple stuff for now.


Anyway, I'm not here to convince anyone.  There's plenty of material on the net; I've linked to a lot of it on this very forum.  Do your own research and come to your own conclusions.

Quote from Matt Watts on March 25th, 2017, 01:42 AM

Simple math will tell you if you remove the magnetic component of a TEM (Transverse ElectroMagnetic) wave, the very minimum speed of an LMD wave must be Pi/2 * C.

And as far as these waves existing, yes, there's plenty of evidence.  The easiest one is to subject a radio receiver to them enclosed in a Faraday Cage.  With no magnetic component, an LMD wave passes through a Faraday Cage as though it wasn't even there.

There are also Tensor waves which are a more complex form of LMDs.  Shaped in the form of a toroid (think smoke ring), these waves have a peculiar aspect to them where the leading and trailing edge exist in the same time frame, actually contain the same tempic field strength.  They can be produced via a caduceus coil and have been verified by pouring RF energy into them and having no heat, light, EMI or any detectible emissions.  It's as though the energy simply disappears.  What can be done with these waves is beyond my speculation.  I'll stick to the more simple stuff for now.

Hello again Matt,

The information you have written in above all sounds great but where is the evidence backing it up?
How does one go about producing the LMD waves to be sent through a Faraday cage to a radio receiver?
How does a LMD wave transmitting apparatus work, what sort of components are used? etc.
I'm asking this because a) I am interested
                                   b) It all sounds great, but seems a little fantastical given our present understanding of physics,

I will add (arguing in favor of LMD waves or at least something that exists that does move faster than the speed of light) that in quantum mechanics there is a thing called Quantum Entanglement.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement

That effect QE has been empirically proven in a scientific way, but the LMD waves you are describing seem non-existent in the sense they don't exist in an empirically proven fashion.... I tried looking LMD waves up and all I found were links to talks given by Eric Dollard.

If some sort of apparatus exists that indeed produces LMD waves I would like to at least read a schematic. In this case it is something that could be proven through experiment (especially with the high speed IC tech and sensing capabilities we have today)

It would be great to get a link to the one piece of evidence that you feel is most compelling. I would imagine you would have some sort of compelling information? (I can't seem to find any in my searches)

Thanks,
Ben

"There is no worse a blind man than the one who does not want to see. There is no worse a deaf man than the one who doesn't want to hear. And there is no worse a madman than the one who doesn't want to understand" - Ancient Prophet

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Quote from benkomisar on March 25th, 2017, 02:55 AM

It would be great to get a link to the one piece of evidence that you feel is most compelling. I would imagine you would have some sort of compelling information? (I can't seem to find any in my searches)

You're not looking very hard.  I'd hate to think you are an adult wanting to be spoon fed.

I am at work on my phone so I cant write much at the moment. I have a lot to add to this thread from personal experimentation. Especually regarding LMD. Tesla refered to it as Electrostatic induction. Also experimented with Hairpin circuit and water and that began my path to LENR. That and Russ asking me if I knew anythig about fusion and I thought he waa referring to hot fusion. Which I researched a bunch on from Tesla to Fawnsworth.... Then he told me cold fusion and when I started investigating its like all the pieces of a puzzle where falling into place. Just need more time to make a clear picture

Also, my pole would be atomic resonance (either harmonic or an-armonic in nature) which allows atoms to overcome the coulumb barrier. This could be looked at as ZPE, EVO, Kasimer Effect, or Hutchinson Effect. So I guess I should vote on 4?

Quote from Matt Watts on March 25th, 2017, 06:45 AM

You're not looking very hard.  I'd hate to think you are an adult wanting to be spoon fed.

Hello Matt,
Thanks for the "Spoon Feed" of your most compelling evidence for LMD waves.
As it was with my searches, you indeed cannot find any compelling evidence either.
I hope you do appreciate that the video is evidence of nothing other than Nelson Rocha is good at making Joule-Theifs on steroids, mainly powered by a super-cap. (A very cool circuit nicely built but not a circuit that proves the existence of the exotic LMD wave)
You have made it clear for me that indeed LENR/Cold Fusion is the path for me.
I'm sorry Matt, I just don't see what you see or believe what you believe. BUT that doesn't mean we can't have a fruitful & beneficial relationship.
Difference of opinions are a good thing, keep on your research & I'll keep on mine.
Also,  this thread was originally posted for a discussion about the function of LENR, if you have a theory as to how LENR/Cold Fusion functions why don't you have a vote and voice your opinion.
Thanks,
Looking forward,
Sincerely,
Ben

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Quote from Diadon on March 25th, 2017, 08:03 AM

Also, my pole would be atomic resonance (either harmonic or an-armonic in nature) which allows atoms to overcome the coulumb barrier. This could be looked at as ZPE, EVO, Kasimer Effect, or Hutchinson Effect. So I guess I should vote on 4?

I had a feeling you would choose that. ;)
That would be my second choice after my first choice obviously.
In the case of electrostatic induction or LMD waves, my conjecture is that this is another one of the times where Tesla was off point in his opinion.
But who knows, I could very well be wrong and reserve the right to change my opinion based on better evidence.
But I have yet to see a valid experiment with compelling evidence.
Time will tell.
Peace bud,
Ben

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Quote from sebosfato on March 23rd, 2017, 07:45 PM

i find this subject interesting... i have done a simple experiment back in 2006 where i had two SS 304 plates like 10cm x 20cmx 4mm connected thru a full wave bridge rectifier and 220v milan italy power source..

the result was that with 3 amps within 15 minutes 1 liter of water turned into vapor... the reservoir was acryilic and there was around 4 liters inside...

so if you make the calculation its impossible to make so much vapor with so low current..

my theory is that i had bad metters at the time...

but if they were good is possible that the extra energy come from the vibration of the molecules

i believe the vibration is what can indeed approximate the atoms in a palladium lattice to induce fusion... vibration is heat too!

In a sense you would vote on #2 as that involves organized phonon vibration in an atomic lattice right?


   I am at home now and I will start with some deep stuff for you guys to digest on. Both of you, Matt and Ben, should be aware of this information presented. We will start with a lecture Tesla gave — Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency —
Lecture delivered before the I.E.E., London, February, 1892.
http://www.pbs.org/tesla/res/res_art05.html

Its important to remember that Voltage cannot exist without Current, and both do not occur without space (Resistance/Impedance) Keep that in mind as a matter of truth nature always expresses too us. 

So we must first examine our perception of the electron and its interaction with planks constant (smallest quanta of energy perceived from invisibility or black body observations). This might get pretty heavy, but bare with me as this is not my thoughts alone, and is not written in certainty. Rather, it is the fringe of what we currently understand and needs our cooperation to shed light on. 

So here is where we get into some scientific intensity about the nature of subatomic wave/particle/fields. In this discussion I will use the term field as it encompasses both wave and particle duality.  Buckle your seat belts to take a hypothetical trip into the mind of some wacky dude never formally trained into physics. ;)

If we look at the 3 dimensional object of energy expressing itself, it takes on many shapes relative to a perspective of field interaction. Like a sphere if its constant, a torus if pulsed, a laser/cylinder/spiral/cone if foculized directionally  with atomic field interactions  and wave guide ect.  So when charged particle (i.e.matter) is free to be in its constant state only effected by one order of interface at its equilibrium state of influence (sphere at at its vibrational and angular constant) it is much like like the Pilot wave theory

Citation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_wave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIyTZDHuarQ

Keep in mind this does essentially support an Aether/Ether like concept. Weather you wish to perceive its state static or continuous in nature (Vibration and angular momentum again referenced) above or below our current sensory understanding is entirely up to you. Perhaps they are two separate ends of a very large field we are on the verge of fathoming?

 So field interaction expresses patterns according to order of magnitude (angular momentum interacting with organized vibrational modes) that seem to be facilitated by the 4th dimensional state of time( Frequency or Vibration).  This would be the 4th dimensional variable that is so difficult to equate in mathematical terms for most people (Including myself). This is where the Jewel of  Euler's perturbation formula comes into play as Feymen once stated. An equation that expresses layers of infinity into resting mass as the frequency of motion increases, beyond our sensory perception. This is why I will do what I can to express these observations of quantum mechanics into  English, to the best of my abilities anyways. ;)  I will avoid any higher orders of dimensional reality as we have no full understanding on 4D as time is relative to the C (C=speed of light) Which is proven not a constant when passing through certain energetic structures (crystals of various symmetries or quasi-symmetries). This may all read very  "Metaphysical" but I assure it is not as it is a huge topic in data storage which should need no citation. But I will give some citation anyways ;)

Citation:
http://journals.aps.org/pra/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevA.72.023810

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkxlBKjCoA0
 This is a lot like Hetrodyning frequencies or laser cooling which I am sure both of you gentlemen (Ben and Matt) know a lot about.


I should also add all theoretical physicists are is metaphysical practitioners with a veil of pedigreed language. One must take the time to understand the language to join the club.

Citation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoretical_physics
Its important to understand the meaning of the word abstractions in this wiki link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_physics


 From my view, it is quite beautiful actually. Metaphysics and Theoretical physics are the Volts and Amps where as Experimental Physics is the resistance according to the structure of our universe. That is putting it into a electrical engineering analogy. Of course, I digress into a positive or negative feed back loop of your choosing. ;)  So back to the meat and potatoes of this long written post. 

 I have experimented with the Hairpin circuit a lot and from my experience there is a piece missing from what is taught in mainstream science. An energy that is very difficult to measure in both vibration force, and angular momentum.  Perhaps it can be measured in its transition into something more recognizable like the spectrum of light? This piece of mystery seems to involve hitting a resonance in pinnacle node fashion, or in other words, creating a standing wave node at its peak.


Observations:
As a self proclaimed scientist  the only variable I can think to try to exclude is a pathway of mains wire in the house. So going to a completely empty environment would be a very good step into understanding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAwF9lQNY0c

Hairpin Circuit altering frequency and vibration of a gas I still have no solid explanation for. Only think I can think of is some type of gaseous contamination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hof6PuFlBXc


My first experiment into LENR without knowing it and not having proper equipment to deal with the energies involved. This is of great interest to what I am attempting to convey in a resting state of potentiality and applying a energy that unlocks the atomic energies outlined in classic electrodynamics of Einstein's time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whNcANoZHjg


Citation :
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2011/aug/23/did-einstein-discover-e-equals-mc-squared
Its important to keep an open mind where nature speaks truths, and men speak there egos. If someone feels the need to put there name on something, chances are there motives are for personal gains rather than collective progressive gains. Again, I digress back to metaphysics and the ideas of spirituality. My apologizes for those hard core factualists who don't appreciate philosophical ideology of knowledgeable uncertainties. <-- This makes me sound smart lol. Basically, there are some people who don't accept the fact we don't know everything, and adopt it as a belief structure to defend. I am not trying to attack, I just want to shed light on experimental observations which I feel are still very incomplete. 

I do honestly think that we can technically and practical design abundant energy systems. I had a prolific dream of a multi-potential generator that I will bring to light with time. It is incredibly important to me to make it practical so anybody can do it. My motive is for the future of all life forms on this planet to become more harmonious with what creation has already set in place.

I hope that most of this has made sense and feel free to comment and ask questions pertaining to the physics. I could talk about this stuff for months at a time ;)

 Presence in the now with kindness always,
-Diadon (That Conscious Energies chap)

Quote from Diadon on March 26th, 2017, 04:31 AM

I have experimented with the Hairpin circuit a lot and from my experience there is a piece missing from what is taught in mainstream science. An energy that is very difficult to measure in both vibration force, and angular momentum.

These would be L.M.D. waves.

That is a great graphical representation, like smoke rings or bubbles above or below a ground state of the electron. So it only happens with a DC impulse it seems to my understanding of what nature is telling us.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjbgtCYuPXSAhVG-2MKHRkVAugQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.electrowave.org%2FCavitation.html&psig=AFQjCNEeP_UQOUmU33JAeRSkVPTa-349vw&ust=1490661254797569

Both AC and DC can look almost sinusoidal on a 2 d model. You can express LMD just like TEM only the phases of volts/amps has no reference to an earthen ground. What DC refers too then is something that has baffled Quantum Physicists and Theoretical Physicists alike. One could go so far as to call it Alien ;)
We can create our own ground state, can we create two identical ground states though?

Quote from haxar on March 26th, 2017, 03:46 PM

These would be L.M.D. waves.

Hello Haxar.
Have you or anyone else ever measured LMD waves?
Is  there an apparatus that produces them?

I'm asking this in a respectful manner, not trying to get you worked up or upset.
Its just I see a lot of talk and speculation about LMD waves on this forum and from what I can see they don't exist. (or at least they have not been measured, quantified, verified in any way).

The closest thing that I can find to a faster than the speed of light effect is Quantum Entanglement.
I used to think gravity was an instantaneous effect, but indeed in light of new empirically proven data. Gravity waves move at the speed of light, electricity in a wire (transverse magnet waves) move close to the speed of light, radio waves move at the speed of light.
I'm just wondering where is the evidence of these much spoken about, yet non existent LMD waves?

Thanks,
Ben

"Belief can be a blessing, or a curse." - Unknown

Diadon,
Thanks for the post, it made my head spin, but thanks for the interesting explanation.
I agree that we do not know everything.
But I also think that the stuff we know, we know really well.
You covered a lot of different territory and I think that I catch the general idea you were trying to get across.
I have yet to finish reading the speed from Tesla in its entirety.
I love Tesla and respect his accomplishments, but I also understand he was working within the paradigm and understanding of his era, hence leading him to some false conclusions here and there.
Thanks for the post, it was interesting.
Peace,
Ben

"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." - Leonardo Da Vinci

To all proponents of the elusive LMD waves,
I've been searching for any evidence of these wave, I cannot find evidence.
Perhaps we all could work together to come up with an experiment that could measure for them?
With the various high speed clocks and other methods for measuring that exist we could design some sort of experiment to provide some real evidence as to whether they do or do not exist?
I'm interested in the concept, and I see LMD waves brought up a lot on this forum but at the present moment it seems like were talking science fiction.
I'm a "get to the truth of the matter" person. Certainly between all of us an experiment and testing apparatus could be designed?
Just food for thought, just because empirical evidence doesn't exist it doesn't mean we can't try to make some.
This is getting way off the topic of this feed and maybe we should open another feed for this idea?
Peace guys,
Ben
 
"The scientific method actually correctly uses the most direct evidence as the most reliable, because that's the way you are least likely to get led astray into dead ends and to misunderstand your data." - Aubrey de Grey

Please examine the electromagnetism section carefully and the use of longitudinal wave
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitudinal_wave
In plasma

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjbqy6CWnY0
Through air mediums and wave guide calculations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChRKs4fJ02I&t=1812s


Lets have another thought experiment around the subject and so we are crystal on there difference and how both can exist simultaneously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cDAYFTXq3E
So lets say we have a rigid cylindrical material object 1 light year in length (9.461e+12 kM) If you are to apply force on one end, how long would it take for it to reach the other end?
It is important to understand what medium the energy we are trying to observe is moving through and how. 

Nothing has such power to broaden the mind as the ability to investigate systematically, and truly, all that comes under thy observation in life. -Marcus Aurelius