Titanium electrolysis electrodes?

basil_brush

Titanium electrolysis electrodes?
« on March 17th, 2017, 10:00 AM »
I'm not certain, but I think Stanley Meyer did say at some point that he was using stainless steel electrodes. Certainly all the websites touching this topic say you should use stainless steel.

However, one thought provoking comment I saw on a Youtube video recently said that when a cell is used initially the chromium oxidises and this creates the reddish or orangey colour in the water the first several times it is used. Chromium oxides, particularly chromium IV are said to be carcinogenic. Typically people would pour this dirty water down the drain, so are electrolysis enthusiasts unwittingly creating some fairly hazardous waste in this manner?

The Youtube comment in question suggested titanium instead. I don't believe titanium oxides are as benign as industry claims, particularly in relation to the digestive tract, but still it's an interesting metal for electrical purposes. I researched it and found that titanium oxidises very quickly and easily with an electric anodising process using simple chemicals at home, such as a baking soda solution. As a novelty the oxide layer creates different colours dependent on anodising voltage. Depth of oxide layer depends on voltage. Most interesting is that the oxide layer is very resistant to current flow, which is a key property that Meyer considered important in his process, so perhaps we could use titanium's oxide layer to our advantage?

Some people trying to replicate Meyer's work talk about this somewhat mysterious process whereby you have condition the electrodes with multiple runs of the cell at different voltages and/or currents to get the right electrode surface conditions. If titanium can build up an amp inhibiting coat with a very simple 5 second dip in electrified solution then that sounds preferable, especially if it is to be done by less-skilled hobbyists. There is obviously the downside that titanium is more expensive.

Anyone have any thoughts or experience with titanium in this context?

Lynx

Re: Titanium electrolysis electrodes?
« Reply #1, on March 18th, 2017, 01:41 AM »
As I understand it, Meyer's process of "converting" water into hydrogen and oxygen involves fracturing of the water molecules, as opposed to using Faradic brute force electrolysis.
So, maybe the fracturing process doesn't yield as much hazardous metal oxide waste in the process compared to the brute force ditto?

haxar

Re: Titanium electrolysis electrodes?
« Reply #2, on March 18th, 2017, 02:00 AM »Last edited on March 18th, 2017, 02:02 AM
Quote from basil_brush on March 17th, 2017, 10:00 AM
There is obviously the downside that titanium is more expensive.
Meyer did it the economical way with 304 stainless steel. You're in your own territory with titanium, and other exotics.

"The guy who does it the [cheapest] way is going to win out!" That's his words.


basil_brush

Re: Titanium electrolysis electrodes?
« Reply #4, on March 18th, 2017, 03:33 AM »
Thanks, that's a nice tip about using citric acid.

I presume you'd end up with something like chromium citrate? If so then that is used in vitamin & mineral supplements, thus it should hopefully be safe to dispose of down the drain.