Ray's No Back EMF Generator

Matt Watts

Ray's No Back EMF Generator
« on February 8th, 2017, 11:40 PM »Last edited on February 8th, 2017, 11:43 PM
Rather interesting discovery that tends to fit with Ken Wheeler's research.  Apparently there are zones in a permanent magnet where if you stay in that zone, you can induce actual power into a coil without the typical counter force associated with the motion.


Granted Ray is using huge permanent magnets in this demonstration, but the main focus is pretty clear.  If he is getting 1.44 watts of power peak-to-peak, then dividing by the square root of 2, that would be a pretty solid 1 watt RMS of power that was generated without any additional input power.  Not too shabby.  Recall he is drawing about three watts to run the motor.  I can imagine with a little work using a very efficient motor and drive mechanism, it would be quite possible to get the input power draw under 1 watt.  At that point with some matching, his system could indeed become self running.  We also don't know if his 2 ohm pancake coil is the ideal coil to be using.  Seems to me you would want a coil that has nearly the same resistance as the drive motor, then just add a full wave bridge rectifier and possibly a smoothing cap.  Pipe the DC back to the motor and give it a bump to start it.  Hmmm....


Re: Ray's No Back EMF Generator
« Reply #1, on February 9th, 2017, 03:32 AM »Last edited on February 9th, 2017, 03:51 AM
i think it easy to find the neutral zone with such big magnet, lol
it is interesting to explore
beside, i think MrAnguswangus on Youtube also a good refference

i had built a pulse motor that currently should consuming 1watt ....
not sure the torque i had, but i'm sure it had pretty good torque
here is the bench i'm working on (Permanent Magnet Generator V3 - In R&D Progress)

and now in the research to get a proper/efficient generator design on the coil with magnet
as i started another new thread "Designing Permanenant Magnet Alternator-PMA (Generator) consideration" thread
to integrated it with motor...


Re: Ray's No Back EMF Generator
« Reply #2, on February 9th, 2017, 01:36 PM »
it really bothers me that he is using a 1$ harbor fright special DMM tho...

on the + side...

its good research and an interesting thought.

however, i have a good feeling that if piloted on a chart you would see that the system balances out

so what i'm saying is that we need a better measurement of current and voltage. those small strokes in the center do not give much current.

and the load is light..

and the same is true but inverse if the coil is in the place if most drag...

i would love to see theses with more data  and measurements. its extremely hard to tell by that video , but cool ...

will need to keep up to date if he goose further...

Thanks for posting.


Re: Ray's No Back EMF Generator
« Reply #3, on February 9th, 2017, 07:45 PM »Last edited on April 23rd, 2017, 01:25 AM by Cycle
Quote from Matt Watts on February 8th, 2017, 11:40 PM
Rather interesting discovery that tends to fit with Ken Wheeler's research.
Well, you know how I feel about Wheeler's research, so I'll not comment on that.
Quote from Matt Watts on February 8th, 2017, 11:40 PM
Apparently there are zones in a permanent magnet where if you stay in that zone, you can induce actual power into a coil without the typical counter force associated with the motion.

That's fully in accordance with General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics... remember my previous post, in which I stated that there are three components to take into account in an electrical generator.

EDIT: Ooooh, just had another thought, and I think I've been wrong about how matter and fields affect QVZPE field density. It's mind-bending, because I have to think in terms of energy density and gradient, while taking into account spacial expansion or contraction, while taking into account motion.

We all know what a Casimir cavity is... two closely-spaced plates which reject QVZPE field modes with wavelengths that don't fit exactly between the plates, thus causing an inward virtual photon pressure pushing the two plates together.

In other words, the vacuum expectation value outside the plates is higher than inside the plates, so the plates are pushed together.

An invariant-mass object rejects QVZPE field modes longer than its radius, just as all matter does, no matter its size (a particle of matter has a frequency hc/m, where h = Planck's constant. Longer waveforms (lower frequencies) simply cannot interact with particles, just as longer waveforms cannot enter a Casimir cavity).

For atoms, it's the transform of Schrodinger's zitterbewegung (quantum jitter) into de Broglie waves via vacuum polarization that sustains electron orbit and thus matter stability. The electric field at the Compton radius of an orbiting electron can be as high as 10e14 V/m, which I would imagine perturbs the in-phase QVZPE field modes quite a lot (vacuum polarization assembles around the point charge a surrounding halo of virtual fermions, thus changing the net vector of the perturbations of the quantum vacuum, thus transforming the transverse waves in the quantum vacuum into a circular (longitudinal) waveform that feeds energy to the electron to keep it sustained in its orbit despite the electron constantly throwing off virtual photons in the form of Larmor radiation).

The number of de Broglie waves of an orbiting electron must be an integer number (or a destructive-interference orbit is set up which causes the electron (always giving off Larmor radiation) to lose energy and drop in orbit until the de Broglie wavelength count is an integer number). This is the basis behind quantization, and hence the basis of all of Quantum Mechanics.

Electron motion in the intense electric field of the nucleus causes a Lorentz force on the electron due to the virtual photon (magnetic) interaction between electron and proton. This propels the electron at an angle to the nucleus, thereby sustaining the electron in its orbit. Thus, atoms are akin to the universe's tiniest electric motors, powered by the quantum vacuum.

Here's an analogy of the transform of Schrodinger's zitterbewegung into de Broglie waves:

Two pieces of matter separated by any distance act as Casimir cavity plates themselves... the closer together they get, the shorter the wave modes of QVZPE they reject between them, increasing the force imbalance pushing them together. This reduction in QVZPE field density between two particles of invariant matter causes an unequal force which pushes them together. So matter decreases QVZPE field density. It's almost as if matter "hollowed out" a 'more perfect' vacuum region for itself, and is held in that region by the QVZPE field modes it's rejecting. So those images of space-time contracting around matter would be wrong... it expands around matter.

This may be why physicists say that as you fall into a black hole, you take successively longer and longer to fall in the closer you get to the black hole... the matter in the black hole is expanding space around it successively more the closer you get to the black hole, slowing time down successively more.

So rather than this:

It may look like this (forgive my primitive graphics, I'm no artist):

or this, except imagine the space-time expanding out away from the planet all around it, rather than a divot in a 2-D plane:

An analogy would be light curving around the sun, which is what originally corroborated Einstein's General Relativity back on 29 May 1919... electromagnetic radiation follows the curvature of space-time, light is electromagnetic radiation (just as the QVZPE field is), it curves around an invariant mass object, just as the lines in my graphic above do.

Another confirmation of this is light's behavior as it traverses a gravity well... going into the gravity well, it blue-shifts, and going out of the gravity well, it red-shifts. That may be because the matter in that gravity well has decreased QVZPE field radiation density, thus the light wants to exceed c (just as it does in a Casimir cavity), but from our frame of reference it appears as though the light shifts more toward the blue end of the spectrum as it go into the gravity well, and vice versa as it leaves.

Another confirmation is that gravity is known as a negative potential energy... it's a "well" of lower stress-energy tensor (just as in a Casimir cavity), which causes attraction in attempting to balance that lower stress-energy tensor with the surrounding QVZPE field. As objects fall under the force of gravity, they give up their positive gravitational potential energy (ie: being farther from the gravitational center of the gravity well) for kinetic energy. When the object reaches the gravitational center, it has zero gravitational potential energy, but has converted that to other forms of energy.

This is likely the reason why gravity is a long-range but weak force... the QVZPE field permeates the universe, but the quantum vacuum field modes which are below the plasma frequency (and thus don't experience a negative index of refraction, and thus can interact with invariant matter because it's not exceeding c) are relatively weak (as compared to the ultra-high frequency wave modes which do exceed c due to that negative index of refraction, and thus are causing the universe to expand faster than c).

Now, we know that time slows down in a gravitational field (ie: reduced QVZPE field), which is why satellites have to account for a faster time due to not being as low in the gravity well of our planet. We also know motion slows time down, which is why satellites have to account for a slower time due to orbiting the planet. The two effects don't balance out, so both must be accounted for. If they weren't accounted for, our GPS satellites would give inaccurate GPS coordinates in only a day or so.

We also know that time slows down in a Casimir cavity. Velocity = distance / time. If time slows down, speed appears to increase (an object travels a given distance in less time, from our perspective)... and we know that photons shot through a Casimir cavity experience a velocity faster than c (that speed to which the universal medium of the QVZPE field constrains light).

So now lets look at magnets, the inflowing interface (where virtual photons enter the magnet from the QVZPE field) of a magnet is a reduced QVZPE field density, meaning time slows down. And the outflowing interface (where virtual photons come out of the magnet and are subsumed back into the QVZPE field) of a magnet is an increased QVZPE field density, meaning time speeds up. So I've had that backwards... I'll go through my prior posts and fix that. If you'll remember, I'd found that discrepancy in my thinking wherein I couldn't resolve that the effects of matter and magnetism were different on space-time, which lead to a months-long hiatus as my brain masticated the problem. Problem resolved.

energy/volume = energy density... the amount of energy stored in a region

The QVZPE field is isotropic, meaning its energy density attempts to remain homogeneous throughout all of space... if it's not, energy flows to try to make it so.

That means if matter causes a decreased QVZPE field radiation density, volume (space) must increase. Thus matter causes space to expand, which is why we get gravity wells that the celestial objects sit in. The graphic above showing space-time bending inward toward matter must be wrong.

Now looking at motion... we know motion causes time to slow down, just as a gravitational field does... so motion must also cause space to expand, from the point of view of the moving object. From the point of view of an outside observer, the effect translates into the moving object appearing to be compressed in the direction of travel.

This would mean that gravity and magnetism are two sides of the same coin (hence gravitoelectromagnetism), both are effects of QVZPE field radiation pressure. It would also indicate that the Casimir effect is either a gravitational or magnetic effect.

Whew! The universe is weird. But at least I've resolved the problem of how matter, motion and magnetism affect space-time.

The TL;DR takeaway is that a reduced QVZPE environment expands space and slows down time, and vice versa, no matter by which mechanism that QVZPE field radiation density was reduced or increased (by motion, by matter, or by magnetism).

A magnet slows down time (expands space) at the inflowing interface, and speeds up time (contracts space) at the outflowing interface, on each of the two magnet pole faces. Thus, a magnet is quadra-vortexual, just as Howard Johnson found back in 1970 at the Virginia Polytechnic Institute.

Now, the time speeding up and time slowing down tend to cancel each other out, but the magnet itself provides the virtual photon flux we need to interact with the electromagnetic force (one of the four fundamental forces) to get electrons to move. Remember, photons mediate the EM force, and virtual photons mediate magnetism. So we need to add a third component into the mix in order to create a time imbalance... and that thing is motion. Motion slows time down (expands space), creating a perceived electron charge imbalance which pushes the electrons out over the wire.

Now, you'll note he showed bEMF in his video... two magnets working like-pole to like-pole are essentially generating bEMF in the quantum vacuum field between the two magnets, which is why magnets like-pole to like-pole (N to N, or S to S) increase QVZPE field radiation density in the space between the two magnets. This creates a repulsive tensor which tends to push the magnets apart. Conversely, magnets placed different-pole to different-pole (N to S) decrease QVZPE field radiation pressure. This creates an attractive tensor which tends to pull the magnets together.

{I'm not entirely satisfied with the description of the effect of magnetism upon space-time, but it's the best I've got so far.}

{A 'perfect vacuum' is one in which there is no matter and no EM radiation. The universe, in attempting to reach maximum entropy, is also attempting to minimize vacuum pressure, ie: to create that 'perfect vacuum'. That's why QVZPE field radiation pressure drives universal expansion (ie: the quantum vacuum radiation pressure is now thought to be that elusive 'dark energy'). The QVZPE field radiation frequencies above the plasma frequency (the quantum vacuum being a paramagnetic cold plasma) experience a negative index of refraction, which allows those frequencies to exceed c, which is why QVZPE field radiation pressure is driving universal expansion at superluminal speeds.}

So what he's showing there is that the shorted coil of wire, when moved, is generating its own magnetic field that's acting in repulsion to the magnet's field... the coil is generating a true dipole (there are no domains to unpin and flip in a coil of wire), whereas the magnet is quadrapolar... so the coil moves until it can line up its magnetic field with the magnet's field such that the energy is the same as the surrounding QVZPE field.

In his video, he showed the coil dragging, then lifting up, then dragging again as he moved it across the magnet. Thus, the coil's magnetic field was in opposition to the magnet's outflowing interface at the center of the magnet. In actuality, bEMF is being created by like-pole to like-pole moving toward each other (higher QVZPE density, thus a repulsive tensor), and opposite-pole to opposite-pole moving apart (lower QVZPE density, thus an attractive tensor). But the dragging of the coil across the magnet took more force than when the coil was repulsed (since it floated up away from the magnet on the magnetic flux), making it appear as though the bEMF was created opposite-pole to opposite-pole alone. That wasn't bEMF, it was frictional drag of the coil against the magnet he was feeling.

If anything else, he's corroborated my contention that a conventional magnet has an inflowing and outflowing virtual photon interface on each pole face... his video clearly shows the effect of the coil repulsing from the center outflowing interface.

As for him showing electrical generation even in the "sweet spot" where the two fields met in opposition, that's a product of the two different field strengths... I'm betting the coil's field strength was lower than the magnet's. Thus a charge imbalance was still created, so electrons still moved.

So, if we could create custom "magnet keepers" to redirect the inflowing and outflowing virtual photon flux so they're separated, not only would the generator not have any bEMF drag, it wouldn't even require any motion to generate electricity... the quantum effects of the virtual photon flux alone would create time imparity and thus create a perceived charge imbalance, pushing the electrons out over the wire.

If the "magnet keepers" were aligned such that, rather than just using one stream of the virtual photon flux, we were using all four, but using them such that they were no longer working in opposition to themselves, we'd be able to generate a lot of power, with no fuel requirements.

A conventional magnet, by dint of domain unpinning and flipping as means of the magnet attempting to minimize its internal energy, causes two primary flux vectors through the body of the magnet, thereby "killing its own dipole" in a macroscopic sense... realigning those flux vectors would allow us to extract energy from the QVZPE field to keep the electrons in orbit about their nuclei (and thereby sustain the magnetic field without demagnetizing the magnet), which we could use to do real work, without requiring an external energy source (apart from the QVZPE field). After we'd used the energy for our purposes, it'd flow back into the QVZPE field at a higher entropy, but given that the QVZPE field is, quite literally, universe-wide, we'd never exhaust it.

EDIT: In further thinking, I believe I had the magnetic interfaces on the pole faces of magnets flowing in the wrong direction. An iron sphere placed on a magnet will always move toward the perimeter of the magnet face. The universe operates via quantum tensors or 'stress'... a tensor higher than its surroundings repulses, a tensor lower than its surroundings attracts.

So the outer perimeter of a magnet (a low tensor region) must be the photon flux inflowing from the QVZPE field, whereas the center of the magnet (a high tensor region) must be the outflowing virtual photon flux.

This doesn't change much else, I believe... the virtual photon flux flows out from the center of the magnet into the QVZPE field, and simultaneously on the same pole face, virtual photons are flowing out of the QVZPE field into the perimeter of the magnet on the same pole face.

In the graphic above, it would change the direction of spin of the disc.

And the terms "Repulsive interface" and "Attractive interface" are a bit misleading, given that they can both either repulse or attract depending upon the tensor stress. So I believe I'll start calling them "inflowing interface" and "outflowing interface".