Anyone ever heard of such a thing?   A negative inductor?

http://www.linux-host.org/energy/sgenesis.htm

Kind of makes sense.  I suppose.  I'd have to see one run cold though to believe it.

Thanks for sharing :thumbsup:

So the gist of it is that you build an RLC circuit and replace the inductor with this so-called "negative inductor" like so.



And instead of getting a damped oscillation,



You get a parametric oscillation.



And all it costs you is the energy required to maintain the high voltage field between the two plates.




Sounds a little too easy to me.

What I'm guessing in actual practice is the "negative inductor" is actually non-inductive, so attempting to build an RLC circuit with it is going to be rather impossible.  What I don't see in the main link is a formula that calculates what the negative inductance is going to be based on the voltage of the electrostatic field applied.  Such a formula would be pretty useful and easy to validate its accuracy.  To me, a "negative inductor" is really just a capacitor, which makes a RCC circuit seem a little pointless.  However, this does give us a means to alter the capacitance by changing the field strength and not the physical characteristics of the capacitor.  Essentially a voltage controlled variable capacitor.

What I'd like to know is if the non-inductor can be made just slightly inductive when there is no applied voltage field, then when a field is applied, this non-inductor becomes a capacitor.  Such a configuration would be really useful if you can actually change an inductor into a capacitor, back-n-forth just by altering the field intensity.  Should be super simple to make a parametric oscillator with such a device.  There's some pretty strong evidence the Ruslan device I've been working on, does exactly that via the grenade coil.  The Tesla coil flips the grenade from being a coil into a capacitor at just the correct timing.  One has to also think about this a little deeper.  If two coils can operate as a transformer, what happens when they are switched over to capacitors?  Seems to me any back EMF could be completely eliminated if the switching is done at exactly the correct moment.

BTW, does anyone see a non inductive coil between two tubular plates looking a lot like a water capacitor in Stan's WFC?  The real question is how do we apply a high voltage field to this non-inductive coil without adding more plates?  Suppose the water bath itself generates an electric field...

Heck, maybe it would be fun to wind a caduceus coil around the inner tube (plate) and see what happens for grins and giggles.  If I remember correctly, W. B. Smith did an experiment similar to this and discovered he could pour a kilowatt into the darn thing and nothing came out--nothing he could measure anyway.

To maybe help people get their minds around this "negative inductor", think of it as a shorted capacitor.  For a brief moment in time, all we want to do is remove the short, so that we have an actual capacitor.  If we can do that, then we charge the capacitor.  And once that is done, we let go, the short returns and the capacitor discharges on itself.  To me this sounds a lot like what we need to do with the water fuel cell, which is why I brought this topic up.  It's a mechanism that can be used in all sorts of OU devices once we get a better handle on it.

sure sounds like a Tesla bifilar pancake coil to me!

when connected correctly its basically a non-inductor capacitor.

my 2 cents

~Russ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifilar_coil

Quote from ~Russ on December 13th, 2016, 03:21 PM

sure sounds like a Tesla bifilar pancake coil to me!

when connected correctly its basically a non-inductor capacitor.

I can assure you a Tesla bifilar pancake coil produces a magnetic field.

This is NOT a negative inductor.


What I'm getting at is if you look at the VIC matrix, the resonant cavity is the only component not having any inductive properties.  My theory on this is that the water itself is a non-inductive coil and as such, can be manipulated the same way we would manipulate a negative inductor.  Under the proper influence of an electric field, it becomes more capacitive or "negatively inductive", setting up the perfect characteristics needed for a parametric oscillator--one where its amplitude increases on every cycle.  It's self feeding--as the voltage intensity increases, the "negative induction" becomes more pronounced.  As the inductance becomes more negative, the voltage increases.  This continues until you relax the field or something else in the circuit self destructs.

The thing you kind of need to ask yourself is this:  If you can have negative induction, then can you also have negative magnetism?  Let's just call that magnetism less than ambient.  Suppose the ambient magnetism is what is actually holding things together, things including water molecules.  You remove that magnetic force and the constituent pieces come apart.  Something is obviously responsible for covalent bonding; could it be magnetism?  I suppose just another way to look at the same thing from a different perspective.

This may or may not be related or you my have already known this: rather than messing with negative and positive or induction and capacitance, what if we think about it as "opposite" of what we usually think, i.e. conduction by protons rather than electrons?

I stumbled upon this article about electrical conduction in water via protons and it immediately made me think of the VIC but I haven't researched the VIC enough to know if this is applicable.
http://phys.org/news/2016-12-watershed-moment-h2o-electricity.html

I think you're confusing negative inductor with negative resistance. A pure negative resistance does not exist, but a component can have a range of it U/I curve where it appears as negative. This is the case for plasma arcs and many semiconductor configurations. This can be and is used for oscillator circuits in connection with LC circuits or even microwave resonators - including those with a coaxial configuration. Now the coaxial resonator needs to be "closed" otherwise the microwaves escape...

Lost_bro also posted an interesting snippet regarding a negative capacitor.

This is from the manual of a Vector Network Analyzer (VNA):

Further confirmation it is likely the reverse is also true.

This is highly interesting. Though I do not have formal training in electronics I have an open mind and am no stranger to logical programming and practical experience in the traditional energy arena. in recent weeks I have found that some coil arrangements do in fact reverse the polarity resulting
in a negative amperage. I have also seen what possibly looks like a nearly neutral current not always agreeing digital compared to analog.

So I had to look up the negative amperage idea. What I found was that most prevalent concept matched my prior that amperage polarity is usually
defined simply as the direction of current. Other resources say the direction of electron flow is opposite to polarity and there are recent experiments
that theorize on directionless induction at a subatomic level.

I hypothesize that in some vortex coil arrangements the flow is reversed a standing wave at the middle of an open circuit DC line. It
also looks like in some conditions the negative amps can be used under a load while the input is reduced.

The prior art in this might be in the William S. Alek (AuroraTek) theory http://auroratek.us/SCIENCE.html and the Thane C Heins  motor generator
testing and review at Ottawa University and MIT.

 

Matt Can I Set this here I have a few questions
 power factor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyMH8wKK-Ag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZBMfDvWF4U

let's roll boys
so who can give me reasonable answers What does this Power factor means
first for 2,2 watt resistance situation

Quote from Ris on January 31st, 2017, 04:41 AM

so who can give me reasonable answers What does this Power factor means
first for 2,2 watt resistance situation

It means you are truly dissipating 2.2 watts of real power in the resistive circuit.  Those resistors are giving off heat.

Remember, watts in equals watts out.  Watts is the instantaneous product of volts times amps.  You can have negative watts, which only means the direction of the power flow is in the opposite direction from your reference.

So in those videos, the first case is positive watts coming from the line; going to the circuit and nothing going back.  But in the second example, the majority of the power entering the circuit is going back to the line; only a very small bit of it (enough to illuminate the LEDs) is being consumed.

When you have a phase shift of the amperage in a any form of AC wave (leading with a series capacitor or lagging with a series inductor), that instantaneous product has to be calculated at every point in the wave cycle, then summed together to get the real power in watts.  So if at some point on the wave form you have 30 amps and zero volts, the real power at that point is zero.  Same is true if you have 120 volts and zero amps, the real power at that point is also zero.  The power analyzer scope Russ uses makes these calculations in real-time so you don't have to do the massive calculations, though you could if you desired to break up the wave form into many tiny parts.

nice engineering explanation Which leads me to the next question for whom is good this mathematic
 power factor 0.90% is 1980 milli watts  and rest 220 milli watts for example, returns to the grid  it is totally irrelevant you anyway pay all 2200 milli watts
other situation which says that the power factor is very bad In fact disasters only 0.20% from 400 mili watts which is 80 mili watts was spent on LEDs  rest 320 milli watts is returned to grid
even from engineering perspective of view this second situation is much better for all now power companie must pump 720 mili watts  what is only one-third from above situation
so

so If I am right power factor is yust good tool for assess the situation where your system has holes.but and to claim that it is always best and at all costs to have power factor 1 that is ridiculous.

not sure is related...
but i think this is the answer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IauYQCCsz-g

he knows that something is wrong but he does not know how to explain it

Phase angle of 270 Degrees on an inductor?  Sounds like you are referring to the earth...referencing ground... cheesy joke..... sorry. .. .
There are Frequency Dependent Negative Inductors, Resistors, and Capacitors. If a Tesla pancake coil is put into a properly tuned LC, it could indeed become a negative inductor. So technically Russ could be correct ;) This stuff is usually used in band pass filtering where only certain frequencies are to be amplified and the rest attenuated.

Do a search on Frequency Dependent Negative (Inductors, Capacitors, Resistors.)
This reminds me of the insane dream I had two nights ago about John Hutchinson and myself. We had a bifilar pancake coil and heterodyned 1000kHz and 1001kHz and got the bifilar coil to float above the earth.... Then alien ships came and where checking us out....  One of the more vivid dreams and as well as crazy dreams I have had in a while.

dreams are good! quite interesting.

~Russ