I have been looking at the coil design to see what it may be doing based on Ed Leedskalnins theory of magnetic current.

In my mind 'plasma' is Eds magnets in concentration.

Because the coil design has a coil inside a coil with the energy running one way on the outer coil and the other way on the inner coil the excess energy/magnets/plasma is 'thrown off' in the same direction on the outside of the outer coil as to the inside of the inner coil.  This in my mind is one of the key principles of this coil design.

PJ

Quote from Lynx on August 16th, 2016, 09:24 AM

Seems as though this little piece of information should be taken with a huge grain of salt and that one should only trust that which officially comes directly from the Keshe foundation and not from someone else.

I managed to get through to Jeff Rense and tonight he will be talking with Gordon Duff, senior editor at Veterans Today.  Whether he will elaborate on the Keshe Magrav stuff, I'm not sure.  Many times Uncle Gordy goes off on a tangent talking about firearms, but we'll see.

It would be nice to get a little confirmation about this technology; at least to a point where most of us are willing to give it a go.  Some surprises in the world are actually still fun.  Let's hope this one is.

Quote from PJ on August 16th, 2016, 12:45 PM

I have been looking at the coil design to see what it may be doing based on Ed Leedskalnins theory of magnetic current.

In my mind 'plasma' is Eds magnets in concentration.

Because the coil design has a coil inside a coil with the energy running one way on the outer coil and the other way on the inner coil the excess energy/magnets/plasma is 'thrown off' in the same direction on the outside of the outer coil as to the inside of the inner coil.  This in my mind is one of the key principles of this coil design.

My hunch is the coil design is important, but even more so is the coating on the coils and the loose fit of them that should be some level of a short circuit.  Before I jump into this Magrav build stuff full-on, I want to try some tests with this so-called nano coating and get an understanding how the copper behaves, what its surface resistance looks like, how the coated junctions respond to stress, etc.

This device appears to be as much chemical as it is electrical.  It would be easy to slop one these things together and get nothing from it and not have a clue as to why it don't work.  All of that and I haven't even mentioned the GANS yet, which is another chemical aspect to it and how electrical/magnetic/gravitational fields interact with it.  The Magrav may look simple, but I can see already there is a whole heck of a lot more going on there than meets the eye.  Even Mr. Keshe himself stated from an electrical perspective, you will never comprehend how this device operates.  That's a big clue in my book not to get too focused on the coils themselves.  Then we have the capacitors which may or may not be what they really provide to the total circuit.  This could all easily be ion flow using the nano coated copper as some sort of a conduit, where the ions create current at the junctions as they attempt to flow through the nano coating.  Any normal person would not flame treat a junction point, but that's exactly what they do with this device.  There must be a reason for that and it won't be obvious until the proper instrumentation is connected in the proper way to see it.

Anyway, I see a need to take some baby steps and try to get a handle on how each piece of this puzzle works together with the other pieces to make a whole that is capable of powering real machines.

Before you waste much time and money on this maybe check out ZeroFossilFuel youtube channel, he followed everything to the letter and it does not work.
Watch his builds from start to finish.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLlTtB0oZXU&list=PLyRBSIGadacDaOiQraS-_LuSwtHEgbfhJ

just some friendly advice. :)

Quote from PeakPositive on August 16th, 2016, 02:18 PM

..., he followed everything to the letter and it does not work.

Funny, the blueprints were just released this past weekend.  I'd be surprised if "he followed everything to the letter" when he didn't have the letter yet.  I also doubt he will try again with the new information.

Having met Mark Brasche in person, I kind of have a feel for what his approach would be.  It's a common mistake that I have made myself--if you see something that doesn't make sense, then it will not work.  Subconsciously people build devices knowing they won't work and surprise, surprise, they don't.

This is why baby steps are needed.  Little chunks where the opportunity for that Ah Ha moment to kick in.

The interesting thing about Keshe at this point is that he is giving it all out there now, to the world, free of charge.  Only two things can happen now:  One, he shows the whole world he truly is a hoaxer or two, when done properly, this Magrav device really can work.  This is quite a bit different than the WITTS stuff.  Mr. Keshe asked for donations AFTER you are able to get a device working.  To me, that's hanging it all out there, everything, including his reputation.  If the guy is full of crap, within six months, he's done, finished, kaput.  His must either trust what his team has developed, or has simply gone mad wanting to be tarred and feathered by the public.  Maybe he was told to fall on his sword.  We don't know yet.  Time will tell...

My opinion is to carefully work on this device and when you get to a point where a decision can be made in one or more directions, take note of it and consider going back and redoing that particular thing in a different direction/path.  I can see lots of places in the build process where a person can screw-up and not know they even did.  Take for example nano coating the coils after they are assembled.  If you think like an engineer, you would probably coat them first and assemble them with mylar between the coils.  Is that the right?  Why or why not?  What does it change about the characteristics/behavior?    Lots of question without enough knowledge to make good decisions.

My feeling is, if there is anything to this device, we'll find it.  May take a while as most of these kind of projects do.  As I have mentioned before, if someone does build a runner, please, do not tinker with it.  Build another one as close as you can to the working one and then tinker with the second device.  With this approach, we can narrow down what has to be there and what doesn't seem to matter.  Done scientifically and with great care, we can improve the blueprints to a point where they are completely foolproof.

Quote from Matt Watts on August 16th, 2016, 06:49 PM

Funny, the blueprints were just released this past weekend.  I'd be surprised if "he followed everything to the letter" when he didn't have the letter yet.  I also doubt he will try again with the new information.

Having met Mark Brasche in person, I kind of have a feel for what his approach would be.  It's a common mistake that I have made myself--if you see something that doesn't make sense, then it will not work.  Subconsciously people build devices knowing they won't work and surprise, surprise, they don't.

New blueprints ? new information ? ... LOL yes I guess if the first ones put out don't work then they need to put out new stuff.

Yes and sometimes people build knowing it will work and then it doesn't.

But hey! best of luck to you hope it does work no matter how slim the chances are.

Quote from PeakPositive on August 16th, 2016, 11:14 PM

New blueprints ? new information ? ... LOL yes I guess if the first ones put out don't work then they need to put out new stuff.

Yes and sometimes people build knowing it will work and then it doesn't.

But hey! best of luck to you hope it does work no matter how slim the chances are.

Since my visit to Keshe/Belgium in 2012 nothing Keshe announced since then became reality. No big event in Belgium with Astronaut Ed Mitchell (already invited as Keshe told in August 2012) and no real levitation demonstration, and now (of course) no demonstration at Washington ...
Whenever an important event comes "by magic" something unexpected happens and demonstration´s skipped.
Those blueprints version 1 for the nano coated coils have been released about a year ago and many have tried to replicate.

What sense does it make to replicate if not Keshe himself is able to make a public demonstration of his working prototypes?

Years ago Keshe announced a 5KW energy generator for some thousand bucks. 500 bucks had to be prepaid ... To my best knowledge these generators have never been delivered.

Interesting information about Keshe:
http://www.keshefacts.org/

Let me add that the atmosphere at Keshe´s in Belgium at his afternoon lecture was irritating. He was dominating the scene and his waiters for lunch (simple buns for € 10) were acting like puppets for him ... The books he sells are overpriced and the lectures via Internet now have to be paid for ...

So what ... Keshe ... time will tell ... ;)

Quote from Matt Watts on August 16th, 2016, 01:32 PM

I managed to get through to Jeff Rense and tonight he will be talking with Gordon Duff, senior editor at Veterans Today.  Whether he will elaborate on the Keshe Magrav stuff, I'm not sure.  Many times Uncle Gordy goes off on a tangent talking about firearms, but we'll see.

Attached is the portion of the interview of interest.

Make of it as you will.

http://www.keshefoundation.org/

Quote

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
McClendon Group McClendon News Service, Inc. (Since 1946)
Founded by Senior White House Correspondent Sarah McClendon (1911-2003)
Post Office Box 6010, Washington, D.C. 20005 - Telephone (703) 855-1266
(On the Record - Press Welcome)
 
KESHE FOUNDATION PRESENTATION & DEMONSTRATION OF FREE OR CHEAP ENERGY DEVICES
 
WHEN: Wednesday, August 17, 2016. Come at 6:00pm for dinner with the speaker or at 7:00pm for the presentation & demo and/or 6:30PM EDT (12:30am CEST) ZOOM public ID: 939474503  or Livestream and/or YouTube live broadcasts
 
WHERE: National Press Club, McClendon Room, 529 14th Street NW, 13th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20045. Free parking after 5PM with National Press Club dinner validation of your parking receipt at the PMI Garage on G Street (between 13th & 14th)
 
WHO: Armen Guloyan of the Keshe Foundation and the Spaceship Institute. Other Keshe representatives will also be present.
 
WHAT: Attendees will see and hear a Keshe Foundation presentation & demonstration of a Tesla-type, fuel-less, stand-alone generator that generates electricity for an average-sized home -- with no connection to an electrical outlet, no batteries, no oil, no gas, no coal, no nuclear, no solar and no hydroelectric. The Keshe Foundation intends to replace oil, gas, coal, solar, hydro & nuclear for the generation of electricity, for powering moving vehicles and for flight. Other applications are also forthcoming (including healthcare, desalinization & agriculture), as per the Keshe Foundation.

Various builds, check it out, https://blueprint.keshefoundation.org/

We will have to keep an eye on the livestream a few hours from now and see what transpires.

https://www.youtube.com/c/KeshefoundationOrg/live

Sure appears Uncle Gordy is sincere and telling what he knows.

Quote from Matt Watts on August 17th, 2016, 12:57 PM

We will have to keep an eye on the livestream a few hours from now and see what transpires.

https://www.youtube.com/c/KeshefoundationOrg/live

Sure appears Uncle Gordy is sincere and telling what he knows.

Be a pal and save some of it for me, I'll be in never never land by then.
Better yet, host in on your stomping grounds.

I think this is the correct link once it encodes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGzrnCCnHIo

I only saw bits-n-pieces of the live stream while I was welding, so I'll need to go back and watch the whole thing.  There did look like a fairly good turnout at the press club, but Douglas wasn't demonstrating live his hybrid unit, only a pair of original factory Magravs.  Mr. Keshe spoke about the superconductor nature of the nano coating and had the fellow in the Philippines show a couple of current developments.  Keshe also mentioned China and Russia have embraced this technology and it would be wise for the U.S. to do the same since it would be foolish for the U.S. military to think they have in any way weapons superiority.

From what I've seen so far, me thinks toying around with these concepts would be worthwhile.  Getting started will take fractions of the resources I've already spent building my epic fail pile.

Something happened, h t t p : //livestream.com/KFSSI/events/5758705/videos/133141415 (change to http in the beginning).
I've yet to see something about this in whatever official news channels there may be.

"The plasma needs a heartbeat."

Cool.

Sounds like the creation of life.

"in so many ways."    ;)

Upcoming prototype without compressor pumps.

Awesome, very awesome :thumbsup:

Follow-up from Mr. Keshe after D.C. presentation:
133rd Knowledge Seekers Workshop.

Quite an interesting response from mr. Keshe himself at 2:37:45 on a question from someone from China.

Quote from Matt Watts on August 18th, 2016, 09:00 PM

Follow-up from Mr. Keshe after D.C. presentation:
133rd Knowledge Seekers Workshop.

OMG, he did it once again ...!
Like by magic once more something unexpected happenend and once more the demonstration as proof of concept failed ...
Not too unexpected to me as i posted here a few days ago.
I listened 4 minutes to Mr. Keshe and then I had to stop because this blabla is too much well known to me from that man ...
Short summary of what I heared within 4 minutes from this unique representer of unproven prototypes ...

1. there is no video from that D.C. event (and no video of a running generator at all ;))
2. last 10 minutes of that D.C. presentation made the break thru ;)
3. audience accepted Keshe´s leadership (that seems to be the most important statement for Mr. Keshe ...)

I can´t imagine to get patient enough to follow his workshop for 3 more hours so i`m curious if you can grasp something of use from that event ...

Maybe the audience from D.C. was not disappointed enough according to that outcome but of course I am now after 4 years of time after 2012 event in Belgium ...

Nomen est omen ... knowledge seeker workshop might work much better if it could be renamed to knowledge finders workshop ;)
But that doesn´t seem to be Keshe´s ...

I especially like his comment at 2:49:40, if you understand the basic principle of his magrav system then you can basically put together a circuit to your liking.

Quote from Lynx on August 18th, 2016, 09:15 PM

Quite an interesting response from mr. Keshe himself at 2:37:45 on a question from someone from China.

Keshe´s blabla ... infinity loop ... a trick few people have discovered yet ... ???
If that is so much important there is a simple question: why doesn´t Keshe tell and focus on that simple fact before people fail with their configuration?
Why doesn´t Keshe have a simple demonstration setup showing correct = efficient configuration and wrong = inefficient configuration???
My best guess ... because he can´t prove his statements in a real world configuration.

How to make informative blueprints Keshe could learn from any microcontroller datasheet very well...

Quote from Lynx on August 18th, 2016, 09:30 PM

I especially like his comment at 2:49:40, if you understand the basic principle of his magrav system then you can basically put together a circuit to your liking.

For sure if it would work in real life as Keshe tries to tell ... But replicaters don´t get the effect and Keshe can´t show it working in a prototype.

Maybe it would be a good idea to give projects like that an A to E like at school.
Let´s start each project at C as default and then adopt according to feedback etc.

In 2012 I was fascinated by his theory and I bought an (overprized) book 1 of his series showing his theory. So I was happy to meet him personally in Belgium. But those incidents happening there were cooling down any kind of excitement deep into freezing ...

Later I met a person who told me his story that Keshe sold a "medical device" to that person´s father´s. But the device didn´t help and that father died.
Keshe wanted to sell that device for  €20,000 and when that father was not able to pay that bill Keshe said something like "ok ... so you get it for € 8,000".

Keshe is interesting, but I can´t trust him any more ...

Quote from Gunther Rattay on August 18th, 2016, 09:45 PM

How to make informative blueprints Keshe could learn from any microcontroller datasheet very well...

You peeked my ear with that statement Gunther.

How many people that have visited this forum have actually designed and built a microprocessor in silicon as an ASIC?

I know of only one and he acquired 50 dollars from his instructor on a bet that this particular individual couldn't achieve the performance specifications set in the challenge.

So yeah, Keske technology is a little like that.  Unless you rise to a certain level of proficiency, you're done before you even start.  This stuff is way out there--we're talking on the level of looking into the soul of the creator.  You figure it out and you'll be able to do what Stan Meyer did with your eyes closed and both hands tied behind your back.


I been wanted to put this out for a while now.  Take the simple physics equation F = ma

Force equals mass times acceleration.

If I stick a permanent magnet on the refrigerator, there is clearly a force holding the magnet in place.  The displacement of this object over time is zero--it does not move.  The velocity is zero and remains constant.  We definitely have a force and we definitely have mass, so the acceleration cannot be zero.  But the object is not moving, so how can it be accelerating?  Is it true that acceleration is the change in velocity over time?  Then how can there possibly be a force?

Go dig in your physics books and tell me what I already know.

Now, let me put this on the table.  All points in time and space are connected.  Notice I said points.  You can have a point in space and you can have a point in time.  Point that is, with three degrees of freedom, x, y & z.

Lets look at the units of acceleration, meters per second squared.  Seconds, a unit of time, but in what dimensions?  X?  Y? Z?  XY?  XZ?  YZ?  Or how about all of them XYZ?

Let that sit a minute.  Try and determine a configuration where acceleration remains constant even though there is zero displacement in meters.  That is zero divided by some value  <> 0.  Go ahead, use all three dimensions of time.  Show me how a stationary object exerts a force.  If you can do this without bringing in Keshe's plasma physics, I'm all ears.

What I'm suggesting by the above example is that objects of matter are moving, but in a frame of reference we cannot see or measure.  In other words, fields, i.e. the tempic field to be specific.  And to further this suggestion, when matter is in the plasma state, it is no longer bound to the dimensions of time that we can observe.  This doesn't necessarily mean a glowing plasma either.  Any condition where the atomic structure is not locked closed is a plasma.