Dr. Steven Greer's Call for Disclosure

Lynx

Re: Dr. Steven Greer's Call for Disclosure
« Reply #1, on May 8th, 2016, 01:48 PM »
He has very sound ideas, that's for sure.
Sounds to me that he/they don't actually have any free energy devices & concepts, yet, they're kinda waiting for........us.........to provide them with these things, then after that they can/will provide a (massive) platform for spreading the word about it to the rest of the World.
Or that's how I hear his message anyway.

Matt Watts

Re: Dr. Steven Greer's Call for Disclosure
« Reply #2, on May 8th, 2016, 07:00 PM »
Quote from Lynx on May 8th, 2016, 01:48 PM
He has very sound ideas, that's for sure.
I can't disagree with our world turning to crap within the next 100 years if we don't make a major course correction.  I think even a child can recognize something is horribly wrong with the way our societies are structured.  We have been pushed so far away from what nature intended I'm surprised we still exist.
Quote from Lynx on May 8th, 2016, 01:48 PM
Sounds to me that he/they don't actually have any free energy devices & concepts, yet, they're kinda waiting for........us.........to provide them with these things, then after that they can/will provide a (massive) platform for spreading the word about it to the rest of the World.
Or that's how I hear his message anyway.
I tend to agree Lynx.  I think he may be bluffing.  If not, why wait another day.  There are plenty of energy forums that could be swarmed within 24 hours with real OU devices.  Imagine thousands of people copying the PDFs and building within weeks.  There would be no stopping it.

We don't need anti-gravity flying machines and interstellar travel at this point.  All we need is absolute see-it-yourself proof that we have been lied to.  At that point the genie is out of the bottle and it's game-on with the elite that have supressed us for so long.  Gone viral would be an understatement.  In six months time the elite would only have two choices:
  1.  Hop into their space vehicles and leave this planet for good.
  2.  Destroy the entire planet and let nature start over.
Either way, they lose.  Game over.

So my question is:  What is really stopping the enevitable?  Are the aliens living amongst us part of this suppression?  Do the elite take their marching orders from these higher beings?  Something just doesn't wash in my mind.  There's more to the story.  Dr. Greer isn't "disclosing" everything as one might think.  I'm not convinced these so-called friendly creatures really have our best interest at heart.  I think we humans are probably just worker bees.  If we ever decide to truly regain our freedom, it will be by sheer force.  Nothing is going to be gained by sitting and waiting.  I sure would like to know what kind of deals where made behind closed doors.  Regardless, our future is in our hands as a collective.  I'm just afraid too many people are willing to let things go as they currently are.  Midnight has probably came and went.


Lynx

Re: Dr. Steven Greer's Call for Disclosure
« Reply #3, on May 8th, 2016, 10:03 PM »
As the World turns, greed works it's dirty deeds on this small planet's natural resources and humans are often in the way for progress because riches are pretty much where you find it and humans are moveable in large parts of the World, so this never ending story just...........keeps on going.

This is the way things always have been.
The only difference now, as opposed to 20+ years ago is that people can be and are made aware of these atrocities much thanks to the Internet, hand helds, whatever social media there may be, etc etc.
Whistleblowers in the past were always considered to be eggheads and as such were either bought to silence or permanently silenced, take your pick.

It's not so easy nowadays to silence the truth once it's out there, especially when there's truthspeakers around the webs who's only so happy to help spreading the word to everyone.

This forum will offer one such truth speaking/spreading platform for the thing we're all waiting for, can't wait for that beautiful day to come.

reverandkilljoy

Re: Dr. Steven Greer's Call for Disclosure
« Reply #4, on May 9th, 2016, 02:14 AM »
interesting topic... i agree with matt watts, they definitely have their hand in our world affairs.... who knows to what degree... i would wager the aliens have an industrial presence... i think reality is a lot weirder than we'd like to admit....

and lynx your right theres so much information at our fingertips, plenty of stuff to be learned... but i will tel you as a young member of society generation Y is in a bad place... the easy accessibility of all this info online has actually served to distance curious minds from realizing and synthesizing all of the info... the sheer volume of it and weight it carries makes it very cumbersome for someone new to digest, infant i think 99% of the time it is rejected because of how much of it there is and how un refined it all is.... yeah some of us has sorted through it... but really very few have the motivation / constitution for it....

the internet is a double edged sword

steven greer is a shill, all those zero lenz law motors are bullPoo in my opinion... i have yet to see a real scientific evaluation on one...

if free energy is realized, it will not be "replicable" by a bunch of laymen online, that is not what free energy is...

heres a couple people who i would say were close or maybe have done it.... ronald richter, wilhelm reich , stanley meyer (definitly did it) , viktor schauberger

heres an example

https://ia800501.us.archive.org/2/items/TheUltimateTeslaCoilDesignAndConstructionGuide/The%20Ultimate%20Tesla%20Coil%20Design%20and%20Construction%20Guide.pdf

this is the mcgraw hill tesla coil construction guide... this is as straightforward as it gets when it comes to building a REAL tesla coil....

if you guys look through this, you will realize there aren't "build instructions".... that is because you can't have "build instructions" for electrical devices....

components vary from different manufacturers.... different construction techniques produce different results...

a free energy device is going to be 10x as complicated as this.... it is simply outside the realm of a layman,... you need to be skilled in the art of electrical engineering....

this Poo aint easy, there is no golden door... the only answer is hard work....









Matt Watts

Re: Dr. Steven Greer's Call for Disclosure
« Reply #12, on May 13th, 2016, 05:16 PM »
Quote from Lynx on May 11th, 2016, 01:27 PM
Very interesting clip, many thanks for sharing :thumbsup:
Lot of folks dancing around the key to OU.  When we are able to put it all together, people will be able to do this in their sleep.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy2GvLxgSHA

Now suppose the little motor he used was an inductor with controlled shorting/unshorting at the proper time and then an earth ground attached at the right spot.  You don't imagine those caps would charge up until they explode do you?

And consider the basic concept being demonstrated here:  Moving stored electrical energy from one place to another, powering a load in between without loss.  Isn't this what Jim Murray and Paul Babcock tried so hard to explain with their SERPS device?

I'm becoming more and more convinced every day we are right on the precipice of having this challenge solved.  We can see the peak of the mountain now.  We just need to get our ropes anchored to the summit and pull ourselves up.


reverandkilljoy

Re: Dr. Steven Greer's Call for Disclosure
« Reply #14, on May 13th, 2016, 10:24 PM »Last edited on May 13th, 2016, 10:38 PM
he is measuring the voltage across the two capacitors connected in parallel..... the voltage across both caps will be equal.... lol.. he is just measuring the same voltage... the reason the voltages are different on the meters is because of the resistance(motor).... this Poo is so elementary.... he doesn't know Poo about circuits lol

when you have two capacitors connected in parallel it create a new single capacitor Cnew = C1+C2..... V = Q/C ...... new V = Q/(2C)

so he's essentially just measuring the voltage across the leads of this new capacitor.... that motor presents a VERY small resistance hence the different readings on the multimeters.....

this guy is in space lol... why is he talking about water? :/

Lynx

Re: Dr. Steven Greer's Call for Disclosure
« Reply #15, on May 13th, 2016, 11:06 PM »
Quote from Matt Watts on May 13th, 2016, 05:16 PM
And consider the basic concept being demonstrated here:  Moving stored electrical energy from one place to another, powering a load in between without loss.  Isn't this what Jim Murray and Paul Babcock tried so hard to explain with their SERPS device?
At 8:47 the source cap had 2.1V and the charged cap 5.3V.
If the caps have the same capacitance then at that point it would have been interesting to see if the cap voltages stays the same over time after disconnecting all the cables.
If they do then it's certainly a most interesting experiment.

reverandkilljoy

Re: Dr. Steven Greer's Call for Disclosure
« Reply #16, on May 14th, 2016, 02:52 AM »Last edited on May 14th, 2016, 02:59 AM
5.3 volts?

LMFAO REALLY ??? can you see the multimeter?

its 535 mV

the voltage on the other cap is 2.116.....

2.116+.535 = 2.651 volts


the voltage he started off with (at 6.03) on each capacitor is 2.423 and .132 = 2.555 volts

the voltage he shows on the single capacitor at the beginner is 2.520 ....

so the initial difference is .035 volts... that is well within the accuracy of a Pooty radioshack multimeter... loading effects?

at 8:47
there is a .1 volt difference from 2.555.. i can't determine whether or not he's including the small motor resistance in the measurement...that could explain the +.1 V on the multimeter.... if you think a +.1 V reading on the junk multimeter is indicative of some kind of effect than I would advise you to research basic tenants in taking electrical measurements.. those multimeters are Poo

dont argue about this lynx... this is extremely elementary we could get into the details of the motors resistance but as i think most of as know that is highly arbitrary


reverandkilljoy

Re: Dr. Steven Greer's Call for Disclosure
« Reply #18, on May 14th, 2016, 03:03 AM »Last edited on May 14th, 2016, 03:04 AM
Sorry for being so forward, I have seen many scenarios where basic scientific reasoning is drowned out with illegitimate dogma online.... maybe i overreacted in my evaluation of your critique of the video... for that i apologize

alloytam

Re: Dr. Steven Greer's Call for Disclosure
« Reply #19, on May 14th, 2016, 07:41 AM »
maybe can try 2 motor in series with capacitor 1st
need some modification on of the motor
the shorting may in more proper timing

Matt Watts

Re: Dr. Steven Greer's Call for Disclosure
« Reply #20, on May 14th, 2016, 09:59 PM »
Quote from reverandkilljoy on May 14th, 2016, 03:03 AM
Sorry for being so forward, I have seen many scenarios where basic scientific reasoning is drowned out with illegitimate dogma online.... maybe i overreacted in my evaluation of your critique of the video... for that i apologize
I posted this because it is interesting the total energy decreases, but the total charge increases.

So if you start out with less charge contained in just a single capacitor and dump part of it to another capacitor, you have gained charge, but lost energy.  Now suppose you start out with two capacitors having equal charge and compress this into a single capacitor.  Should you not lose charge but gain energy?  Seems to me the math works both ways.

Of course the trick becomes how to design a device that does this.  We can get charge directly or by induction from the environment quite readily.  All we need is a straight forward method to move all the charge into one container.  Something along the lines of a Tesla Switch comes to mind.  We can also think of a three-plate capacitor using induction to draw charge to where we want it.  Let your mind wander a bit and see if you can visualize something a bit out of the ordinary.  It's a good exercise if nothing else.

M@


Ris

Re: Dr. Steven Greer's Call for Disclosure
« Reply #22, on June 8th, 2016, 11:47 AM »
assumptions and again scientific assumptions-assumption is that the capacitors is absolutely alone in the universe without any form of energy that would affect them, then this scenario is likely to happen.

Matt Watts

Re: Dr. Steven Greer's Call for Disclosure
« Reply #23, on June 8th, 2016, 12:33 PM »
Quote from reverandkilljoy on June 8th, 2016, 10:57 AM
I wasent going to reply... but alas I am bored and I have your answer matt....

here it is... where does the energy go...

http://puhep1.princeton.edu/~mcdonald/examples/twocaps.pdf

Energy is spent moving the charges... energy is lost through radiation....

your going from a high energy state to a lower energy state....
Are we CERTAIN the energy is lost through radiation?  Can we measure exactly how much we lost and compare it to the deficit left in the two capacitors?   It better sum up exactly or we have broken the conservation of energy law.  And if we can break that law by losing count of energy, it would seem we can find a way to reverse this event and pull energy back in from the same place we lost it.