Saw a documentary on BBC by Guy Martin , motorcycle racer and truck mechanic.
The documentary was about the botanical gardens in Birmngham UK

theres a water ram by Green and Carter , theyve been around since 1774 making these pumps . gauranteed forever!!

http://www.greenandcarter.com/main/products.htm

Ive seen these pumps working , a different maker but still the same principle of operation . There is technology around that is energy efficient and superior to modern day engineering , its just generally unknown.

free energy is possible its just been pushed aside in favour of finance and commerce

The ram pump concept is exactly what we need to convert into electrical form.  Wesley refers to it as an electrostatic pump as was shown by Tariel Kapanadze.  I think the Ruslan/Akula device also uses this concept pulling usable electrical energy from a ground wire.  It's just a matter of time before the secret gets out...

Ive been reading thruogh the "post anything" threads and have read a few times where people are frustrated and also spent/lost money on projects .

I always go back to the water ram to refocus
its old technology that is genuine free energy and has been around for a few centuries .  if you ever get the chance to see one , it is so simple but mesmerising  .sometimes at country fares or museums

an engineer could say it is not free energy ,who cares what the engineer says , it is real and it works and it will run continuously.

there are other water generators that use natural movement as opposed to a typical hydro dam (just a concrete construction contract)

Gayle Mill , the water turbine was installed in the 1800s , it has a turbine wheel similar
in this cutaway drawing below it shows fairly close to the real thing.

http://www.victorianweb.org/technology/ir/14.html

it has a sluthe directed to the top on the housing and then on both sides of the main housing it has 2 (in total) out lets that come out from central and then curve down through the floor go to the river water level and are submerged

so you have the force of the water acting on the turbine , then you have the force of the falling water (x2) AFTER its passed the turbine , and the outlets are submerged making it an air tight SYPHON!!!
this thing makes no noise , its absolutely brilliant and of course theres very little info of this concept in hydraulics , I did a check

http://www.gaylemill.org.uk/workshops1

while searching for info I found another bit of excellence!! this only needs 70 cm of fall , and no wonder , its brilliant

http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/06/...ower_plan.html

anyone with flat land and a stream should give this consideration

ram pump construction details
http://journeytoforever.org/at_waterpump.html

All this might seem unrelated to H2 cells but it is to show that there is free energy obtainable its just going to take individual discovery plus collective mind shift .  (O.S.E.)

the above example of gayle mill could easily be written off as just another water wheel but that turbine actually replaced the previous water wheel , some thing like 25 foot diameter . the turbine has twice as much HP and is something like 4 - 5 foot diameter
the engineer has utilised 2 exit pipes that act as large syphons so in no way is it a water wheel . Its simple , intelligent , natural , powerful , reliable technology that has been intentionally thrown aside by mainstream engineers .

so for anyone who feels they are throwing money at FE replications and getting no where . free energy is possible
we have been taught what to think (or not to think)

its just going to take a bit of rethinking

for me , I dont want to use a power source with direct connection to hydrogen cell , that can only drain the PS as it  always has.(not doing this again)
the way I see it , expecting more energy OUT of a closed circuit is squeezing blood from a rock ,its an unreasonable demand

I want a power source to be a control only , it seems reasonable to look to find HOW, to allow outside energy IN . and only then could I expect more energy on demand . (and that is something Im focused on)

this site is complete strangers but I wish people wouldnt feel beaten at any moment , walk away and refreshen.

I find it interesting and positive that people are on this forum , its all moving in a positive direction