Electret

I wanted to share this with everyone, some may already know about this and some may be new to it. I plan to do some experimenting in a few weeks if I get the time. And if anyone gets a chance to experiment they can post results (good or bad) here so we can follow the progress.   


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electret

"An electret generates internal and external electric fields, and is the electrostatic equivalent of a permanent magnet."

So if I understand this correct we can make and charge this up and have a permanent supply of static electricity. Sound interesting?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrophorus

Typically they talk about using 45% Carnauba wax,  45% Rosin,  and 10% Beeswax
http://rimstar.org/materials/electrets/

But with this patent # 3632443 describes using polypropylene and is supposed to last a lot better.
This seems to be better for making a permanent electrostatic generator. 

Combining a permanent electrostatic generator with an electrostatic wheel and we should get something that runs forever. :)

Let me know what you think.

PS; I was going to post this yesterday but other things got in the way, strange as this my sound!!!  today I just watched Russ visit with John Hutchison and was shocked to see him talking about some of the same stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3JCjSwuTr0#


But I decided to post this anyway...:)

element 119

this was very good reporting by Russ, also we discover how to magnetize the monopole like mr tesalonian has. with wax and cooling through a kelvin battery.

thats a start to beating the searl effect generator, and creating a edd lee fly wheel within a wheel itself..

so element,

we can watch the video again but... lets just go from my memory.

take Carnauba wax, boil it till it " steams" then condense it ( same as making distilled water) but... do it under high voltage tension. so its polarized. electrically...

Then it will cool and should have a charge. or a potential difference.

Jason Verbelli has tried things in the past with out success. just look it up on his channel.

but he did not use the distilled method... can you find anything on this element? any videos or documentation of some one doing this via distilled method?

good stuff here, i think its worth try.

~Russ

from on of the links you provided:

" Important note regarding testing electrets

I found that as soon as you expose either end of the electret to air, it begins to lose its surface charge. After around 15 seconds the electret influences the electroscope significantly less. If you then wrap it up in foil again with both ends electrically connected together, this surface charge will fix itself after a few days and you'll be able to use it again. "

I remember making an electret, just for fun, by pouring polyester resin between 2 stainless steel plates and then applying constant HVDC to the plates while the resin cured, thus "polarising" the plastic that formed between the plates/electrodes, or should I say I polarised it in theory anyway.
Once fully cured It did withstand fairly HV and it could even be used as a capacitance, but that's about all the experiment I performed on it back then, I don't know how well it would fare in any given actual "electret" application.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DR-tTU8uIM#t=3m57s

http://www.electretscientific.com/author/Article3.pdf

a good read ( i scanned through it )


also, i guess there is the "Reversal" problem with Electret's too? cant seem to find to much on that unless its in that article...

i think there other things overlooked, but i still say this is the best way to try.
the wax needs some fine irion filings first.

melting it with the fillings red hot through the kelvin battery,

gallium is very soft and low heating is needed,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOdTDkgEdAY#ws

the key is magnetization just past the curry point. but with gallium or even bithmus can form some nice crystals, we want a mono pole hybrid. soft metals with ferrous property.. or even silicon mixed in instead.

the hho torch will come in handy.

 with a simple induction coil, and a thermostat to bring down the temperature slowly.\

there is mention of a 12 volt power supply also. so in the world of pots and pans we relate it to other rarities..

green goop..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO-EcDBvyw8#ws

its another validation.

now u can make a pump. you can do many things. incorporate ions, as a hydrogen fuel cell. so many possibility]s with theory..
the radial polarizing vortex effect. at sharp points...  tornadoes can be made from adding sharp points to the face of this magnet..

now i say you can magnetize a ring in the same manner as a magnetic fly wheel.

Quote from freethisone on April 6th, 2015, 11:15 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO-EcDBvyw8#ws

its another validation.

now u can make a pump. you can do many things. incorporate ions, as a hydrogen fuel cell. so many possibility]s with theory..
the radial polarizing vortex effect. at sharp points...  tornadoes can be made from adding sharp points to the face of this magnet..

now i say you can magnetize a ring in the same manner as a magnetic fly wheel.

now i say he can make a wheel in a wheel. revered polarity, outer inner rings. now i say ions will create a nice bonus effect.  i say many advancements come when you add the outer cylinder magnet.

Quote from ~Russ on April 6th, 2015, 08:32 AM

http://www.electretscientific.com/author/Article3.pdf

a good read ( i scanned through it )


also, i guess there is the "Reversal" problem with Electret's too? cant seem to find to much on that unless its in that article...

Wow ! good find Russ on the Oleg D. Jefimenko & David Walker article .  I was looking for that. thanks I will spend some time reading that article. The video also is great to watch.

Another thing to maybe keep in mind is these can also be affected by the humidity, dry air may produce better results?

Any devise that contains the word (permanent) is worth study and experiment...  :)

I have found nothing on the distillation method, but who knows may be a good idea. Think I'm gonna get a Tupperware lid to use as the (polypropylene) for the dielectric and see how it does.

Also if an open condition can cause an Electret to lose it's power then maybe putting a coil between plates as a load will cause it to keep a charge?

Good stuff lots of things to try...  :)

element 119   

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Piezo-Barium-Titanate-Ceramic-Material-Silver-Plated-/151552314039

if u want barium titanate here is your chance..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Piezo-Barium-Titanate-Ceramic-Material-Silver-Plated-/151552314039

Quote from ~Russ on April 6th, 2015, 08:03 AM

Jason Verbelli has tried things in the past with out success. just look it up on his channel.


~Russ

Ok Russ I watched this vid U recommended 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrAKUWSsNcM#ws

I see what I would consider are maybe some mistakes he made.

From what I read they recommend very smooth flat metal plates on either side of the dielectric material. He is using crumpled aluminum foil.

I'm also not sure a hallow cylinder shape is best, a flat disk with metal plates on top and bottom would be better. He is trying to charge from the inside to the outside.


Just some thoughts I wanted to pass along.  :)

element 119

thanks free, thanks element!

~Russ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VvGw1tkT1Q

a lesson in Barium titanate., what are they really unseeing to make it? radioactive material?

Production and handling properties

Barium titanate can be manufactured by heating barium carbonate and titanium dioxide. The reaction proceeds via liquid phase sintering. Single crystals can be grown around 1100 °C from molten potassium fluoride.[3] Other materials are often added for doping, e.g. to give solid solutions with strontium titanate. Reacts with nitrogen trichloride and produces a greenish or grey mixture, the ferroelectric properties of the mixture are still present in this form.

Much work has been dedicated to its morphology. Fully dense nanocrystalline barium titanate has 40% higher permittivity than the same material prepared in classic ways.[4] The addition of inclusions of barium titanate to tin has been shown to produce a bulk material with a higher viscoelastic stiffness than that of diamonds. Barium titanate goes through two phase transitions that change the crystal shape and volume. This phase change leads to composites where the barium titanates have a negative bulk modulus (Young's modulus), meaning that when a force acts on the inclusions, there is displacement in the opposite direction, further stiffening the composite.[5]

Interesting video. Keep in mind this was in 1982 and the cold war was still raging.

I have a problem with his questions, though.

The "rate payers" don't own anything. When you pay your taxes it's not "tax payer money". When you give it to the taxing authority (or allow them to take it) it is no longer your money. Just like when you buy groceries, your money doesn't become the "grocery buyers' money", when you pay for your electricity you are buying their product, not investing in their company.

You no more payed for the mining, transportation, and refining of the nuclear material than you payed for the building of the auto manufacturers' factories. You bought the product. They used a portion of their net profits to build the factories and install the machinery. They own all of that just like the utilities own the nuclear materials.

How much is the material worth? Whatever the market will bear.

As far as what Congress did, well that's what politicians do. Politicians aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. Otherwise, they wouldn't be politicians. It seems that hasn't changed any since 1982. Nor do I expect it to ever change.

Ditto, bureaucrats. Bureaucrats create regulations and paperwork to impose on other people to justify their salaries and they are just as susceptible to corruption as anyone else, whether that corruption be monetary or ideological.

His point about the regulations is, however, true. The powers that be have created an aversion to anything related to “radiation".  In fact, the antipathy toward any form of radiation is not well founded for low level radiation. The radiation exposure guidelines that are in place today were developed from the effects seen after atomic bombs were detonated in a linear fashion. There is, however, a known threshold under which no ill effects occur but the exposure guidelines ignore this threshold. It was known at the time the standards were developed but it was ignored:  ‘The first of Calabrese's recent articles is a straightforward history of the LNT [linear no threshold] model for ionizing radiation mutation, a concept accepted by radiation geneticists in the 1950s and recommended by national and international advisory committees for risk assessment and human exposure guidelines and later generalized to chemical carcinogens ever since. It is now used by public health and regulatory agencies worldwide, he notes.

In the second of the two articles, Calabrese repeats his earlier accusations that the distinguished radiation geneticist Hermann Muller, in his acceptance speech for the 1946 Nobel Prize, "made deceptive statements" intended to "promote the acceptance of the linear dose-response model for risk assessment for ionizing radiation" and that Muller's advocacy agenda was "masked" by long-time colleague Curt Stern. Their actions affected "key publications in the mutation literature," enhancing acceptance of the linear dose-response and hiding "Muller's deceptions," Calabrese adds.’
NAS misleads the world

However disheartening that is, we can still buy nuclear materials over the internet.
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