None self resonant balanced flyback VIC and cell.

nav

None self resonant balanced flyback VIC and cell.
« on January 11th, 2015, 05:09 AM »
In my recent tests of bifilar coils married with a WFC, I have found some interesting observations and facts. My next set of tests will include the below experiment which ANYONE can have a go at.
I established in tests that if you send voltage in opposite directions through a bifilar coil it cancels the magnetic field in the core and stops current following voltage in series. It does so because just like in Stan Meyer designs, when voltage travels in opposite directions in the core, it creates nodes of opposing magnetic fields between the windings. The current can only follow voltage when the entire core has a north at one end and a south at the other. This is current blocking Stan style.
I found out though, that bifilar coils arranged in one particular way produce massive forward voltages compared with the input voltages and I could force forward voltage in one direction but the flyback voltage which was equal could not be stopped from hitting my flyback diode.
So.....instead of allowing this to happen it would be better to have the flyback voltage balance the system and enter another cell through a spark gap. The reason we would need a spark gap is so that we can charge the bifilar coil slowly with pulsed dc which would not reach the breakdown voltage of the spark gap but the flyback voltage would. This way we get both forward voltage and flyback voltage hitting their own cell simultaneously with no current being allowed to flow in the core. It would be so simple to do and not really reliant on resonance but just a balanced impedance at a certain frequency.
Since I've started using spark gaps in schematics, all manner of possibilities have opened up.

nav

Re: None self resonant balanced flyback VIC and cell.
« Reply #2, on January 11th, 2015, 08:53 AM »
Quote from Enrg4life on January 11th, 2015, 08:35 AM
Very interesting, thanks Nav.
No probs. I have a whole bunch of ideas that no one ever considered but need more tests. The spark gap is a very underestimated weapon in our armory. I find it strange that they don't appear in Stan's schematics more. There are not many components other than high voltage SCR's that can do what a spark gap does at HV.

Alan

Re: None self resonant balanced flyback VIC and cell.
« Reply #4, on January 12th, 2015, 04:47 AM »
Remember the shorting bar in the hairpin circuit? See the watercell in place of this bar, no current is flowing even though it's shorting. (impedance effect according to tesla)

firepinto

Re: None self resonant balanced flyback VIC and cell.
« Reply #5, on January 12th, 2015, 05:44 AM »
Looks awesome Matt :cool:  I've been waiting years for firestorm spark plugs to come out, don't think they ever will, but would be perfect for this set up.

nav

Re: None self resonant balanced flyback VIC and cell.
« Reply #6, on January 12th, 2015, 07:08 AM »
Quote from Alan on January 12th, 2015, 04:47 AM
Remember the shorting bar in the hairpin circuit? See the watercell in place of this bar, no current is flowing even though it's shorting. (impedance effect according to tesla)
Interesting point. Having thought about this circuit it would still benefit you to place a flyback diode in between this set up and the power source in parallel. The breakdown voltage of the diode would need to be greater impedance than the spark gap too otherwise it would allow flyback voltage to short to ground before the spark gap did. You could also use an SCR switch that is source activated in place of the spark gap because that's really what HV SCR's do anyway, it's just that they can be expensive and none adjustable but a spark gap can be set with a gauge and can be adjustable. You see such SCR switches in many of Stan's schematics. He may well have tested with spark gaps then once he established the impedance, replaced it with an SCR or an hydrogen switch similar to PFN networks of a set impedance. 

andy

Re: None self resonant balanced flyback VIC and cell.
« Reply #8, on January 13th, 2015, 10:39 PM »Last edited on March 3rd, 2015, 08:46 AM
Nav
Maybe you can use surge arrestors in place of  a spark gap in between this set up and the power source in parallel. They are produced in different voltage value.
andy

Matt Watts

Re: None self resonant balanced flyback VIC and cell.
« Reply #11, on March 3rd, 2015, 07:55 PM »
Well Free, if I thought it would work, I could take my 59 plate cell apart, spray paint all the plates and put it back together.  I kind of hate to screw-up a $300 dry cell that actually works though.

freethisone

Re: None self resonant balanced flyback VIC and cell.
« Reply #12, on March 3rd, 2015, 08:52 PM »Last edited on March 3rd, 2015, 08:57 PM
Quote from Matt Watts on March 3rd, 2015, 07:55 PM
Well Free, if I thought it would work, I could take my 59 plate cell apart, spray paint all the plates and put it back together.  I kind of hate to screw-up a $300 dry cell that actually works though.
i dont think spray paint is what is needed.  but you do need a dielectric between each plate, so all the laminates act as one plate.   voltage should not shoot through the dielectric. it must only reach a maximum. otherwise the effect will reverse.

lets say i made 5 plates 1 mil stainless steel. then dielectric, then plate. after its done5 plates will have a width of 5 mm plus the dielectric material between them.

not sure if it will work, but u can use foil paper instead. then u can make it as thick as u like.may or may not work just a thought..


tt brown said this..

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