Gunther, I feel the same way, but sometimes one needs to reply and set the record straight against accusations. I am trying to get a flow of ideas started with this thread. May need to start deleting post to clean things up.

Ronnie, these types of post don't bother me. There will always be people trying to make themselves look relevant and want to be the center of attention. If anyone has something they feel is important to look at, and give a reasonable reason as to why they feel that way, then I will look into it. Just as you suggested the PFN. With the last document I viewed, I see the relevance.

Lots of research still to do.
Don

Quote from gpssonar on December 21st, 2014, 04:10 PM

Stan even said it acts as a pulse forming network. I guess he told us all a lie and I am just repeating it. No words mentioned about a thermostat. I have read every piece of material more times than i can count. And don't ever recall the word thermostat. But I open for someone to show me. Maybe I can learn something new. Again PNF's are used in the radar field, which Stan Meyers had a wealth of knowledge about. I've already studied all this, Now I'm going to study THERMOSTATS and see where that leads me. Back to research again, It never ends.

Read it very carefully "effective capacitance of a pfn" ! This is the selfcapacitance of the chokes!!!
~webmug

I think I know what Hardrust is thinking when he using the term thermostat, Thermostats are just a switch that opens and closes on the rise and fall of temp. If I got it right and he can tell me if i am wrong. Stan is using the Vic as a thermostat to turn off the voltage before any heat can build up in the cell. That's interesting. Let's all just just ues a thermostat sounds a lot more simpler than fooling around with the Vic transformer.

Quote from Webmug on December 21st, 2014, 04:20 PM

Read it very carefully "effective capacitance of a pfn" ! This is the selfcapacitance of the chokes!!!
~webmug

yes webmug you are correct, but don't forget about the resistance of the coil, And you have multiple coils arrange on the same core that has the same effective capacitance and resistance, this is what forms the PFN.

When you are dealing with PFN's you must impedance match each coil to the primary, then the primary see's this as a infinity transmission line. If the resistance and effective capacitance is mismatched in any of the coils you will have reflective power before it gets into the next coil. If they are all mismatched by the time you get to the load you will lose all your power or the biggest part of it because it has been reflected back before it even got the load. If your seeing standing waves on your scope then your seeing reflective power.

I've had that PDF that was posted here for a very long time. It will answer most if not all of your questions about PFN's, transmission lines and how they work. It is well worth setting down and taking time to read it. Like you said you get a since where Stan got all his terms from.

Quote from Hardkrome on December 21st, 2014, 04:11 PM

I come on here and tell you people some truth, If I were you I would look into what I am saying, because thats the only truth your going to get.

If you can not comprehend what I have said, which is rather simple. Then you have no business messing around with this stuff. It is self evident.

You came here to call me a BUM, and discredit others. that was your first statement in your post. It's clear what you came here for.

Quote from Hardkrome on December 21st, 2014, 04:11 PM

I come on here and tell you people some truth, If I were you I would look into what I am saying, because thats the only truth your going to get.

If you can not comprehend what I have said, which is rather simple. Then you have no business messing around with this stuff. It is self evident.

If you don't stop your attacks on people here your posts will be deleted, and you will loose your membership, this will not be tolerated "period'.

Thank you Jeff & Matt for looking out for these guy's, They don't need the likes of someone like him telling they are or I am misinforming information. I can't see anyone trying to say anything about Don like that. Now me, I can understand it some what. With all I have been though lately I can take just about anything that can be thrown at me. These guy's are working hard here just trying to find answers on there own. Just as I have. If it is the wrong way to go, they can always make the decision to back up and take another path. They will know if it takes them down the wrong path or not. All path's will either leads to success or to a dead end. If Hardrust has went down this path, he has every right to say why it led him to a dead end. And I think that everyone here will listen to him if he put's it in a format that don't show mean and hateful comments to anyone. But he sure started off on the wrong foot with Don and Myself.

Major problem this technology isn't going to work is that most of us do not have a Exciter Array with 10 cells in series, including me!!!

So I ask, who can or has build an Exciter Array (Meyers specs) and is willing to help getting this technology to launch!!!

Edward can build very accurate Exciter Arrays, for a sharp price. But he can't build only one. Minimum is ten Arrays for him to produce in a batch. Minus one (me) so he needs nine more!!!! O:-)

If someone is willing to make Exciter Arrays,  please introduce yourself... Mr.Walker if you can build and have the know-how...because it's a special kind of work doing CNC and Lathe machining...it's a work of art :D

The Exciter Array is a pretty expensive part to invest in, but we need this first before getting into the transformer part. A single cell can not work due to much capacitance and no where enough resistance in the single cell, everybody knows this by now, my guess!

Thanks!

~webmug

The stainless has to be machined but, PVC conduit may work as an insulator and doesn't need to be machined if you have the stainless machined to fit. I took some measurements of some sch. 40 i had laying around and did some calculations. If you built an 8 tube set to fit the conduit pieces keeping the .095 gap spacing, you could get the same gap area and surface area as 10 of Stan's tubes. As long as the current level stays low, the conduit should work fine. To reduce the machining on the stainless, I would have the stainless cut and turned in strait pieces with no water inlets in the stainless but, instead drill water inlets into the conduit. The stainless could than be pressed into the conduit and held center. I think the idea behind the delrin encased tube sets is to try to trap as much of the voltage as possible into the gap spacing for use in dielectric breakdown. It's not exactly Stan's specs, but I think it could work and make it easier and cheaper to build. If any body thinks that it wont work, don't be afraid to let me know. I'll go back to the drawing board if need be. I don't want to build it if people don't think it will work.

Webmug,
 
How much does it cost? You can pm me the price if you don't want to post it. I will see what I can do.

Webmug, I know of one person that has made two of Stan's 11 cavity cells to spec other than Max Miller and Ed Mitchell. I ask him if he would be willing to make another one, he told me he just didn't have the time right now to put into it. I am only able to machine 4" material on my cnc mill,  so I am only able to make the 6 cell that I am using. After the first of the year I am going to build a 3' x 3' table cnc mill that will be capable of machining the 11 cavity cell. Maybe I can help you out with one once I get it built. I have all the rails and bearing, stepper motors and spindle now. Jeff N. is going to help me with the gear reduction. The cost of the delrin is what's so expensive in one of Stan's cells, and the setup and tear down time for just one cell is why it is hard to get anyone to just make one cell for someone. That's another reason the cost is so high, and people that machine these want's a mim. order. Same goes for the center electrode, and electrical connectors, they are very time consuming to make. I can cut this setup and tear down time, down by adding a cnc rotary head axis to my mill. We will see how all this turns out and I will keep you informed of the progress.

Quote from Jamie H. on December 23rd, 2014, 04:18 PM

Webmug,
 
How much does it cost? You can pm me the price if you don't want to post it. I will see what I can do.

@all,

Here is more information about the array Edward can manufacture:
http://www.truegreensolutions.net/index.php?p=1_32_Exciter-Array

Also he is working on a new more cost effective design.

 O:-) PS I still wonder why Edward left the forum, because we can learn a lot from him too? O:-)

@gpssonar,
Great to know you are improving your setup to handle larger diameter Delrin!

All the best for 2015!!! :exclamation: :exclamation: :)
~webmug

Quote from Webmug on December 27th, 2014, 05:02 AM

PS I still wonder why Edward left the forum, because we can learn a lot from him too? O:-)

It wasn't because of his dedication to understanding this stuff.  Let's just say he runs a little reckless at times; his mess ends up becoming your mess.  When he crossed the line in the sand with Jeff, the deed was done and we supported his decision.  It was unfortunate yes, but two steps forward and three steps back is not what I call progress.  Ed seems to be one of those kind of people that works better alone or in very small groups.  An open forum such as this one is just too much opportunity to run off the rails.