Resonant Interlock Circuit - Full Schematic

firepinto

Resonant Interlock Circuit - Full Schematic
« on November 15th, 2014, 09:43 AM »Last edited on November 15th, 2014, 03:20 PM
So I took Don Gable's component value patent images, printed them out and started scribbling notes on them.  Then I decided I needed to tape them all together and start mapping stuff just to get it all straight in my head.  I added things that I found while comparing with the estate photos.  Look it over and verify what I have found. :cool:

I have a full schematic scaled down to 10% attached here.  You can download the full sized, full schematic and separate 12 sheet scans at the links to my website below.  There is some white space that I wasn't able to remove from the full size drawing, and the scan pages also have extra white space.  That should be changed to print them out on standard paper.  I can't seem to get it to work with the software I have.

Full schematic:
http://www.firepinto.com/images/Resonant%20Interlock%20Circuit.png

12 pages zip file:
http://www.firepinto.com/files/Resonant%20Interlock%20Circuit%20Pages.zip

Lynx

Re: Resonant Interlock Circuit - Full Schematic
« Reply #1, on November 15th, 2014, 11:04 AM »
I managed to download the full schematic pic, but it looks as though your host has some problems with the rest of them.........
Anyway, awesome work putting it all together, makes it easier to see the whole shebang :thumbsup:

firepinto

Re: Resonant Interlock Circuit - Full Schematic
« Reply #2, on November 15th, 2014, 03:21 PM »
Ahh oops, I see now there was 12 failed transfers.  Oh well, I put them in a zip file for easier downloading all in one link.  Should work now. :)

~Russ

Re: Resonant Interlock Circuit - Full Schematic
« Reply #3, on November 17th, 2014, 08:05 PM »
some nice work Nate!

i need to update my site with SM info.. will need to add this work there to.

~Russ

firepinto

Re: Resonant Interlock Circuit - Full Schematic
« Reply #4, on January 3rd, 2015, 06:22 PM »
So I'm going back through the schematics and photos, finding a lot of mistakes I made in the above attachments.  Working on that. ;)

Anyway, I have been tracing stuff on the boards in more detail and found a curious thing.  On the VIC cards, there is an extra part of a circuit not shown in the patent schematics.  It is part of the Voltage Amplitude Control Circuit.  It is an exact duplicate of the circuit around opamp A25, where the J signal " Analog Voltage" comes in.  It runs in parallel with A25 and inputs to the same pin 2 on A24.  This means another signal can be input to the circuit simultaneously as signal J.  I've checked and it is wired all the way through to the DB9 pin connectors, which probably run all the way to the GMS.  Can't get a good view of that.

So what would this signal be?  Maybe not used at all?  Most stuff I'm finding that is not used isn't wired, but this is.  I've attached a couple pics below.  Added the part of the circuit to the schematic, and put borders around those parts of the circuits in the photo.


Lynx

Re: Resonant Interlock Circuit - Full Schematic
« Reply #5, on January 4th, 2015, 03:27 AM »
Nice find Nate :thumbsup:
In the context of the schematics where the 2 opamp output's meet, after their 10 Kohm resistors join on pin 2 of A24, the 2 signals (analog voltage J and the unknown signal) could be said to have their voltages added, literally.
This opens up for having an additional control signal regulating the voltage which in the end feeds the primary TX1 coil, which means that there's a second way of restricting, or enhancing, the primary TX1 voltage, which btw also could be directly connected to the 12V battery via the 3-way analog voltage selector switch found on top of the schematics.

firepinto

Re: Resonant Interlock Circuit - Full Schematic
« Reply #6, on January 9th, 2015, 10:26 AM »
After researching this deeper, I think the second mystery signal comes from the Gas Feedback Control Circuit.  This is one of the big mistakes I made in the scans attached above.  This circuit is not in the GMS box but in the VIC box mounted on the side of the cage. 

The attached diagram figure 3-5 from "The Birth of a New Technology" plainly shows a signal from the gas feedback into the voltage amplitude circuit on the VIC card.  The "6" signal in the other attachment also makes it fairly plain. :)  There is also a 25 pair CAT3 style wire leading off of he Gas Feedback circuit board going into the wire loom in the VIC box too.  It goes into the "photo evidence great unknown" area, but I'm willing to assume that it splices into the DB9 connectors that daisy chain to each VIC heat sink.  Makes you wonder what purpose omitting the "6" signal from the figure 4 drawing would be?

Now an operation needs to be thought through.  Is this designed to increase cell pressure when the GMS isn't calling for high gas demands?  The way the "J" and "6" signals are mixed in the Voltage Amplitude Circuit don't seem like the "6" signal could over ride the "J" signal to produce less gas in an over-pressure situation.  To me it seems like a way to keep a minimum cell pressure.

Nate

haxar

Re: Resonant Interlock Circuit - Full Schematic
« Reply #7, on December 17th, 2016, 10:51 PM »Last edited on December 17th, 2016, 11:24 PM
Yep. These changes can be made to your original post.

http://open-source-energy.org/?msg=41470
Quote from haxar on December 17th, 2016, 10:36 PM
It's good that we have independent peer review of Don's photos. Making revisions will help.

I haven't seen that thread (I wasn't there yet). I modified my schematic at:

Previous page @ highlight:

Bodge RC filter from primary sense trace attached to PLL pin 3

This page @ highlight:

22k resistor mix-up w/ RC filter in cell driver circuit
Re: Resonant Interlock Circuit - Full Schematic
« Reply #8, on December 18th, 2016, 01:30 AM »
I mirrored the whole schematic to this server. You can access it here:

Resonant Interlock Circuit.png - 72095KB

Resonant Interlock Circuit Pages.zip - 9388KB

I also re-compressed the full schematic PNG down, with pngcrush in Linux, shredding 23 megabytes off 97.

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Re: Resonant Interlock Circuit - Full Schematic
« Reply #9, on December 18th, 2016, 01:37 AM »
The changes would still apply.

securesupplies

Re: Resonant Interlock Circuit - Full Schematic
« Reply #10,  »
Quote from firepinto on November 15th, 2014, 09:43 AM
So I took Don Gable's component value patent images, printed them out and started scribbling notes on them.  Then I decided I needed to tape them all together and start mapping stuff just to get it all straight in my head.  I added things that I found while comparing with the estate photos.  Look it over and verify what I have found. :cool:

I have a full schematic scaled down to 10% attached here.  You can download the full sized, full schematic and separate 12 sheet scans at the links to my website below.  There is some white space that I wasn't able to remove from the full size drawing, and the scan pages also have extra white space.  That should be changed to print them out on standard paper.  I can't seem to get it to work with the software I have.

Full schematic:
http://www.firepinto.com/images/Resonant%20Interlock%20Circuit.png

12 pages zip file:
http://www.firepinto.com/files/Resonant%20Interlock%20Circuit%20Pages.zip
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Earl

Re: Resonant Interlock Circuit - Full Schematic
« Reply #11,  »
Dan you can still get to them in haxar post 8 above.  I down loaded them and printed them as it is something I was looking for. 
Re: Resonant Interlock Circuit - Full Schematic
« Reply #12,  »
Down loaded and printed them out.  Thank you, Thank you.  This clears up a several of the connection questions that were implied but not shown very well.  Also answered one of the questions that kept me awake last night.  Where does VEE come from.  Source is not shown on circuit diagrams and without doing work you did  I would not have figured it out.   Also explains why LED on Gate board did not work.  As work around I tied it to +5 VDD and it did pulse but this is another case where something does not work correctly unless you have a feed back or input from something down stream.  I have seen this happen when testing a couple of the circuits.

I was very close in my analysis of where things go at least for those items have looked closely at, but is sure nice to have it all drawn out. Wish I had found this soon with would have made things a lot clearer and easier to understand how things flow.  Nice to see the changes to original drawings that added gas control interface as well.

patrick1

Re: Resonant Interlock Circuit - Full Schematic
« Reply #13,  »
what do you guys think about the plausability of my theory that the VIC is actually a ed leadskaliin style bucking coil transformer, and the hho capacitor is a conventional cell ?. ,   my bucking coils are still not working well yet, - but we will find out in coming weeks or months with abita luck