basically the magnets are supposed to push a rotor because there is a spiraled magnetic field that the magnets inside on the rotor want to either pull or push on the spiral.

After testing tho.. the magnetic field seems to just even out, my best result was cd's hovering on a plastic cd holder/package. The Cd's had magnetic gradients placed around their perimeter; 4 of one gradient design going around the edge of the Cd/CD's

These are then floating on top of the CD packaging via larger magnets which had some of a magnetic gradient also, but only 3...

I'll post the video if I can find it...

The other thing I did was extract and mount a hard drive motor and put magnets on the disc that were surrounded by one spiral that gets steeper and steeper as it goes... it might work with more attention paid to the curve of the spiral and the magnet configurations just right but i havent really gotten too far with that.

TL;DR Mega Bump; plus experiment / design sharing (Click Link Below)
EDITED: because i sounded like a ignorant idiot originally... also go here for best description http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2153.msg34730#msg34730

I once believed in the global warming BS but that was back in the 70's when it was global cooling. All of the current scare mongering is based on computer models and those computer models can only be proven to be ~30% accurate. Basing decisions on that model is the same as playing Russian Roulette with 4 bullets in the gun - a 66% chance of being dead wrong. The one thing missing from the chart you linked is the temperature. I saw another chart that showed the CO2% with temperatures but it was for millions of years as deduced from Antarctic ice sheet cores. Looking at it closely shows that if CO2 were the culprit the planet would already a cinder. It has since been taken down. That's not to say that the planet isn't warming. There is another explanation here.

But that's just motivation. My motivation for looking into alternative energy sources is to attain a degree of autonomy. That will suffice for me.

What if the aliens aren't aliens at all? The earth's magnetic poles reverse on a schedule of between 1.2 and 0.4 million years. Considering what we know now and that our civilization is only 0.040 million years old, imagine what knowledge could be acquired if a civilization existed for a full million years. Would they attain light speed or near light speed travel? Suppose they did and a group took a jaunt that to them would be 10 years while 100,000 years passed on the earth and during that time another magnetic reversal occurred. When a geomagnetic reversal occurs there would be some point when the magnetic poles would be pointing at the sun rather than parallel. At that time the poles would be sucking down the solar wind to the surface rather than the protecting the planet from the solar wind. That would surely caused a global extinction event. Even if the poles weren't pointed directly at the sun, the magnetic field still weakens substantially while the reversal is occurring which could cause the same problem - the surface is too hot to support the food chain. Now imagine that the UFOs are those returning earthlings that left a hundred thousand years ago. They're not aliens at all but our ancestors. They look around, drop a little technology on us that we, in our limited state of development, can understand and take off again for a while.

That gets us back to the ethics of geomagnetism. If we are to harness the geomagnetic field to power our civilization the question must be asked: what will that do to the magnetic field that protects us from the sun's solar wind and other celestial events like gamma ray bursts? If your technology is developed and widely disbursed, what would the effects of seven billion people using it be on the planet? What would the effects be on animals that use geomagnetism to navigate? The earth's magnetic field is embedded in the sun's magnetic field. What effects would result from changing the earth's magnetic field? Would it change the orbit? How would it affect the moon and the asteroid belt?

We see the results of using fossil fuels only after using them for a hundred years. Can you see what the results on the planet would be of modifying the magnetic field on a global scale? How would it affect geomagnetic reversals?

And consider this: there has never been a technology developed that hasn't been weaponized.

Just my thoughts.

Thanks for the input, and I agree about people weaponizing technology which is a shame...

Just a quick reply here in response to this pseudo science. The geological rock layers show exactly where previous pole shifts occured because they are encoded in the atomic structure of the rock materials. Go research it. Global warming: Any race of people that was concerned that it was causing the demise of its own planet would take preventative steps to control it. The fact that the response of our race when faced with such a problem is to charge people more money to emit CO2 is indicative of a race that knows deep down that man made global warming is BS.
If it were a real problem then gas guzzling modes of transport would be banned not charged extra.
In the words of the famous doctor Spock 'captain, it is not logical to do so'

politicians and scientists rarely come to the same conclusions :D

I bet they all answer to the same head though.  Notice lack of checks and balances. :hide:

Quote from Sulaiman on January 24th, 2015, 09:55 AM

politicians and scientists rarely come to the same conclusions :D

Scientists and scientists rarely come to the same conclusions.

A couple of quotes from Samuel Clemmons, AKA Mark Twain, a friend of Tesla's

"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."

"There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact."

And my all time favorite: "In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra

so.. the spiral magnetic field will not work because the magnetic fields simply shift in a manner that equals out and there is still more drag than acceleration on the unit. I put a spiral of magnets spiraling out from the center around a rotor with magnets on it and got pretty much nothing to happen, then again i dont have anything for measuring RPM so idk... I still have more ideas but due to personal issues I have been unable to test any more ideas as of late.... I'll tell u one thing tho I have a Poo load of magnets... then theres also the problem that it takes energy to create these magnets, so anything short of a Eureka moment with magnets isn't going to help much.

And when I say Eureka I mean like you put it all together and somehow the magnets magnetic field is being drained into Volts and Current until the magnets lose their magnetism. After all it took energy to make those magnets so something should work to a degree, the question is how efficient will it be for it to be worth it.

im going to read through this in a few, but i did see you asked a question.
so you are trying to negate lenz law, or by creating a p magnet motor?  like the seal effect could if allowed to do?

ill show you many ways, but first post some of your design, so i can get a feel for the work you are doing...

there is a way to do it, it has been done. and we can do it also.. include if you want to make a homo polar motor or, Faraday disk?

there are other ways to move a magnetic field, or shield them, or add capacitance.


thinking back to a experiment by Russ. exploding stuff with high voltage. the wire leads untwisted.

hence there was 2 torques placed on a axis that axis would do well to be brass glass or copper, and the wires in a double helix dna or even triplets of 9, 12, 15,wired pairs. so the can unwind under load,,

4 or 8 wires pulsed around the axis of a dielectric shaft,  up to 8 pairs.  magnetic bearings is a start.. u will finally faze shift pairs of wires to increase the double torque effect ..

this should work as planned. 8 snakes in pairs wired around the axial of copper or other tests with dielectrics. isthmus shaft.

as yo see we now have a firm grasp  on advancements...simply to prove proof of concept i bet it already has been done.. :huh:.

i started reading and wow your a co2 pusher are you? well perhaps proof is not enough for me to agree. assumed proof is lack of understanding. proof that is real is already been predicted in many models of climate change. i would instead worry about the death of us due to china syndrome, it out ways you beliefs of co 2 is out of control.. were did it come from? lol u need to study many years before you can tell the world co2 will kill us all...

i am optimist? not im quite certain the floods will come... have been.. read the world news if you want to discuss theory..

refer to ice age model if you have any questions.. cheers..

ps my description of doubled torqued :P :P :P axis is the most simple earth model that can ever be dreamed of.. 

pss, your magnetic motor turned into a climate model. my honest opinion, its a laughing joke.  :) :) :)

lol... yea what i drew in ms paint looks ridiculous... I agree.. :rofl2: plus it doesnt work

Also CO2 pusher?

ur right i dont know the whole science behind global warming, and i hope what i think will cause it is incorrect..

Regardless I still think we need something that's clean and not gasoline.


EDIT:

This is the closest I ever got.. I never did try stabilizing it though, I'm not exactly too good at building my biggest issue is always mounting the magnets the way i envision it working......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-cUYjbjHu0
uhh i cut this off somehow.. "Slowly starts to speed up; But then it loses it due to the oscillation" But as I say that it loses it and stops accelerating and then in turn stops itself due to the oscillation.. but if that oscillation were to be controlled better somehow this thing might keep accelerating?

********Description********
Magnetic gradients attached to perimeter of a CD in a certain semi symmetrical layout

The CD floats on Magnets at the base of my "Axle piece" which is jus an old blank cd holder.
In the video it starts to hit that "sweet spot" and then loses it because of it gyrating unevenly due to not being on any real bearing or axle.

I think if it was properly engineered given the right magnets and right setup along with magnetic shielding and any idea to hook it up to... I think the best of all of these ideas are going to be the one that contains like every thing we've tinkered with to make a generator that requires little to know fuel.

*insert words of hope"
-There has to a be a way to do this, I also saw the plexi-glass setup that was posted which is the most simplest way to do it I've seen yet and its sort of beautiful... I'm going to try again one of these days and try to figure out how to incorporate magnetic shielding where needed if possible.

lemme search for a photo of the hard drive thing i was setting up its dumb but it will explain that crappy MS Paint Photo I posted at beginning of the thread.. it takes this idea but instead pushes with horizontal magnets.. (my biggest obstacle besides getting it to work is I have trouble mounting magnets the way i need them to be)

Edit 2 : Here's the explanation of the Poo looking spiral i drew in ms paint...


(Rotor / HD Disks would presumably spin counter clockwise here)

The issues with my experiments is they required a lot of Neodymium magnets...


That's why I loved the spinning wheel that was posted, clever and requires only like 2 neos? and 2 regular magnets? Good work..

PS. so much tape... O_O

The idea is... the magnets are all in a "Potential Energy State" Which is brought about by their magnetism... so putting them in a unbalanced design the magnets push / pull one another until the magnets wear out.

also, I'll have to try rebuilding the spinning CD setup and get a better video that's the only one i have at the moment.