https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEqSuTOKUEg#ws

Who knows, maybe just another publicity stunt to make the OU researchers look like fools.


I see in there a motor, a generator, batteries, fans, inverters and even a solenoid relay with no wires hooked to it.

Maybe it's a water cooled QMoGen.   :rofl2:

Just my ideas and questions:

A generator creating power from coils and magnets using tap water?

A maintenance program defining cleaning the water tank every 3 months? Not even an information about the batteries lifespan ...

A PayPal only account without any named company representatives?
A payment plan defining 50% at order and 50% at delivery and then PayPal shows 100% at order?

An order system without a contract?

A FAQ that gives no technical details of interest?

Noise emissions stated as 50% less instead of db?

A product presentation in the backyard?

What I can see is 2 inverter systems (maybe 1 for 115, 1 for 230V) driven by 2 acid batteries with some sound emitting means.

The man in the video says it´s 3000W per hour, no exhaust emissions and no fuel but water goes inside, 12 gallons of water work for 3 days.

What if the batteries have to be charged in a regular way (no information about that at all) and the water drops out of the casing within 3 days?

I have no idea about the canadian legal system but if that would be the story maybe it would be legal ...

I would just get something different from expected ...

Quote

this unit is 3000 watts per hour

Does that mean that it converts the water into electric energy, somehow, then continuously stores it in the batteries so the user would be able to use 3kW of power for a full hour, after that it needs time to replenish/recharge the batteries?

If so, assuming it's 2 x 12V batteries there which together would give 3kWh worth of electric energy at 24VDC, then each battery would need to be able to store 250Ah each and of the 250Ah batteries Google shown me none of them are shorter than 20 inches, which in effect means that the batteries would fill the whole interior of the machine, which they apparently don't.

I think I'll wait and see what the other customers has to say first.

I think the most important part is what the moderator does not say: he does not say "continuous operation by exclusively consuming water".

Instead he talks about "emergency shutdown switch" and the wheels ...

if i´m leaving out these information of little importance not too much substantial is left over.

@Lynx
A FAQ that does not answer fundamental questions about the product is no FAQ ;-)


And the last sentence in the vid "thank you for your support"???

For your order, for your patience, for what at all???

Water turbine, electric pump and generator?maybe good if it's real.

Verdict is still out apparently.

Quote from Chet K @ OUR

well i just hung up with Mr.Potter ,seems he is quite overwhelmed with the response and is scrambling to get his International patents sorted before shipment ,which is Dec 15 [only Canadian patents in place]

He sold 10 on Paypal link before he caught wind of it and now holding off on orders until product is in house,
also He will Not except payment until product is ready for delivery

He said some Turkey posted the Product on three separate energy forums over the weekend and his life went from famine to feast...

I did not mention my association with said Fowl ...

Yet  :P

He is quite confident and sincere ,a truly nice fellow looking to play a bit of catch up  ATM.

I guess you be the judge.  If this is a scam, it's having the expected effect--people (like myself) are still talking about it and some are placing orders with their hard earned money.  Also a lot of speculation as to how this device might actually work.

Think I'll stick with "cautious optimism" for the moment, since even if it's real, I couldn't afford it anyway, so I'd have to wait for someone that has one to post how it all hooks together and operates, which is pretty unlikely to happen.

Chet did say there is a Canadian patent in place,  Maybe it would be worthwhile to hunt this document down and have a look.

Seems as if we are sliding into fairytale at fullspeed ...

A patent database search gave no results for person or for company.
pressing on PayPal "Buy" forwards to the money transfer screen - so "also He will Not except payment until product is ready for delivery" does not seem to fit to reality.

No idea about Greg Potter. To me he does not seem to be a technican at all.

If he wants to sell 400 units/month as said at Alibaba he should shift to industrial production. His video shows a handmade prototype.
Did you ever see an industrial product being wired that way without cable ties and cable routing?

I didn´t. Watch the pics from his video.

the only microcontrollers operating his system are hidden in the 2 inverters. if it´s not magic it must be some real real simple process taking place that does not need technical regulation at all.

Allan Sterling seems to be positive referencing to Patrick Flanagan (peswiki). But he doesn´t mention that Flanagan already has gotten his product delivery.

So what´s going on at that hype? Maybe it´s the hypnotic music underlying the video ...

I'm still not impressed, at all actually.

It would take a whole lot of independent unbiased reviews from customers all over the globe to get my attention.
Also, the reviews would have to be positive to their nature.........then, maybe, I'll consider reading more positive reviews about it.........maybe.........

If he wins the Nobel prize in physics though, THAT would for sure get my attention.

Some folks are thinking the underlying concept follows this line of reasoning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LckOcHJ7r8Y#

My guess is this adventure will run its course in due time.

if these applications were crime scenes how would the investigation take place?

what would the inspector or agent make better than the free energy community?

this is a spec list of a conventional generator: http://powerequipment.honda.com/generators/models/em5000

this is the spec list of GDS5000 generator: http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/SpecSheet/GDS5000.pdf

obviously and as expected a full sized spec sheet needs the following data:

Run Time per Tankful   8.1 hrs.@ rated load, 11.2 hrs. @ 1/2 load
Noise Level   72 dB(A) @ rated load

Run time is obviously mandatory for a generator. the noise level is measured at a logarithmic scale and db is the only way to compare.

3000W per hour as narrated might mean 3000Wh representing 3000W for an hour. that should be 250Ah at 12V.

the pic shows the inside of the water tank.

The one take-away from all this is the use of standard off-the-shelf components.

If we manage to ever find the secret to OU, using components that can be easily found and purchased is going to be a huge plus over building custom components/assemblies.  No one has noted this so far and I think subconsciously is the reason why this particular device seems so alluring.

Just the little work I've done in regards to impedance matching leads me to believe that if you can find components having the proper characteristics, assembling everything into a complete system would be as simple as building with Legos.  This leads to being able to scale the output of such a device quite easily.

What we need is a block diagram that shows what is connected to what and do a little analysis on the stages in between to see if there is an overlying concept at play here.  Think in terms of impedance or gear ratios where everything has to match up.

Also noted by TinMan is the Pelton wheel that has a particular characteristic many may have overlooked.  This is one of those devices where the input power is constant and the output load does not influence the input power draw.  Whenever I see such a device that breaks the normal link between input and output, I get curious.  This is a phenomena seen in both the Thane Heins Bi-Toroid Transformer and the Bill Alek Split-Flux Transformer.  When you see this relationship, it's worth taking a second look.

Here's some patents that describes the operation:

http://www.google.com/patents/US20130038062
http://www.google.com/patents/WO2006085782A1

It's based on the compressibility of water, which I never knew was possible.  What happens is you have a flow of water, then you abruptly stop the flow; this causes the water to compress.  Then you rapidly open the valve and shoot this extremely high pressure water into a Pelton or Turgo turbine.  The timing of the ball valve needs to match the shock wave in order to get the optimal pressure.

The details are all in the patent, though they are for a large scale design instead of something that would fit nicely in your house.

Great find,Matt.

Thanks for sharing.
Geenee

http://pesn.com//2014/10/30/9602560_Role_of_Pelton-Wheel_in_GDS-Technologies-water-generator/

Water as the tools!!!for cooling Qmogen!!!

i hear its no good... from my sources and own thoughts...

~Russ

Well, Mr. Kremens has gotten permission to send a team there in mid December to check it out.  I'm writing up the LOI to go with them.  We should know before New Years if this is a legitimate energy source or not.

Also, Tommy Reed is building a PoC based on the James Hardy video.  I'm not expecting anything significant, but who knows.

There was one red flag that I noticed while watching the video:

When he shows the unit in operation, without the main cover over the electronics section, I note that the PMA generator is not turning - therefore the pelton wheel is not turning,  Only the motor and pump (???) belted together are turning. - WHY?  No water in the tank?
Why give a demonstration video  showing that only part of the unit is operational if the whole thing is supposed to be operational?

 Also, there are three wires from the PMA for the three phase output that are touching the outrunner bell of the PMA.   The wire would be worn through if it was run for very long like that. 

I noticed that too Ken, then someone mentioned this particular PMA uses a stationary set of vanes to direct the airflow since the exterior of this PMA does not rotate.  I don't know if that's true seeing how I don't have a similar PMA in my hands to look at.  Anyone have a similar PMA with stationary cooling vanes that can attest to this description?

We "think" this is the type of PMA setup utilized:
http://www.motenergy.com/mepmge.html









So either the interior section rotates or the exterior, but not both.

The description indicates there are no brushes, so the coils are for sure stationary.  That would mean the ceramic magnets are held fast to the outside aluminum ring.  This also means the outside aluminum ring must be connected to the center shaft.  It can only do this on the side with the vanes, so they must turn, best I can tell.

If the coils (the inside section) are stationary, then the only way for it to make power is for the magnets attached to the outer bell to move.  If the bell is stationary and the coils rotate, then the wires would be all twisted up in a knot comming from the coils (completely unworkable).  I have several of these type outrunner motors, with cooling vanes as shown, and they all mount with a flange that keeps the coils stationary with the outer bell and attached magnets moving past the coils.  The only thing that might be different here is what volt per RPM the unit is designed for.

Yeap, my gut still tells me this is a psyop--throw in a box a whole mess of components people can recognize, then keep them guessing for months how everything hooks up and how it may operate.  Someone is trying to buy some time in hopes a real solution will get delayed while messing around with this thing.

So the takeaway is to stay focused on what you are currently working on and pretend you never saw any of this.  We will know soon enough.  Just let it play out on its own.