:idea: Frist... Safety first...

Just a tought...

A Magnetron is a fancy Capacitor housing.

Simple.

ok remove the vacum and add water.....
now connect  VIC... hmm.

The Magnetrons cavitys are designed for Electron Self resonance. wich in turn couses
Microwaves that happens to move the water molecule back and forth past a "wave guide" (BTW another term used by Meyers)
I think this is were he got the idea for the Water Fuell Cell Injector.
By the way the Stan Meyers Original idea of  "Resonant Cavity" comes from Magnetron technology. :exclamation:

Will the exess electrons get traped betwen the cavity and  vibrate just like when using vacum? :huh:

Will the hydrogen and oxygen molecules get traped within the cavitys and couse Kinetic impact, that is sound shock wave? :huh:

Stan mentioned the impact coused by kinetic bouncing back and forth within the cell.

he also mentioned that out of all the experiments he performed the best water fraturing came from the "Spherical Resonant Cavity."

See Pic attache.d

forgot to mention that in the Magnetron a Magnetic field is applied to force the electrons to spiral!

Spiraling electrons is what causes the vibrations whitin the cavity.

We can fix a permanent magnetic field or tie the field in with the 9xb card.

good thinking!

now there is a single way to go - do the experiment and compare the results.


there are so many interesting threads starting here creating ideas and asking questions but then they stop in a sudden.

no experiment - no progress - no answers ...

everyone performing experimental setups knows that it takes lots of time, money and material to get there and so few really take the challenge to go that way.

the creative idea is only 1% of the task (though an important one), where are the guys for the hard part of 99% effort?

Quote from Gunther Rattay on October 24th, 2014, 12:17 AM

good thinking!

now there is a single way to go - do the experiment and compare the results.


there are so many interesting threads starting here creating ideas and asking questions but then they stop in a sudden.

no experiment - no progress - no answers ...

everyone performing experimental setups knows that it takes lots of time, money and material to get there and so few really take the challenge to go that way.

the creative idea is only 1% of the task (though an important one), where are the guys for the hard part of 99% effort?

True..

I have to be honest...
I won’t be performing this experiment any time soon. I've learned to chose the battles im going into. :pirate: more manageable size projects to me is the key in having successful experiments.Im currently working on trying to increase the resistance of water...
this project has my full attention at the moment.

what happens is that as we study and look for answers ideas come in. This post was a spin off idea from me trying to
find a method to allow water to act like a resistor. I wanted to post it before i forgot.. :thinking:..I also find myself coming back to the older post
and refreshing my thoughts.

As far as time and money. Absolutely there is lots to invest I’ve probably spent in materials alone over $3k and far more in time! Don’t regret it one bit.
the knowledge gained is worth more than fiat currency.

For those who actually dont do the experiments..  I would have to say that following. Forums like this could easily sway there opinon from far right to far left. It can also be exhausting trying to find the anwsers.

therfore its imperative that if  anyone is to "follow this rabit" you must have a base of truth to work from :exclamation: A beacon if  you will, something that you can always fall back to when you fall in the rabit hole..

To me that beacon of truth has been my personal exhoustable experience. Gained form loging countless hours of experiments.I find myself falling back to my notes checking my "footing".The more knowledge i gain the more beacons i can fall back to the further into the deep blue sea I can go.  I am still searching and hunting learning and forgeting. When I get lost in idea wonderland I force myself to the truth and ask the question.

Is this real ?

The second question is

Should I Follow this Rabit :huh:

good points IMO.

Don't fallow the rabit. Lead the other rabets!!

Good thoughts here. I happen to have almost everything I need to add water to the magnetron

Unfortunately I do have some priorities But can add this to the list of to do 's

Then again who can't find a microwave at a thrift store and give it a go for under 20$

:)

~Russ

More Quotes form Stan Meyer that resemble the Magnetron.

Memo WFC-420 pg 1-8
He says the following. "Higher voltage levels causes the liberated atoms to go into a state of gas ionization". during voltage "off" time. see before he mentioned that with normal voltage deflection once voltage was disconected liberated atoms would regain electrons. he called this "Electron Polarization Process" (pg 1-7)

this couses a secondary "force"   he calles "particle impact" this can only occur if gas is ionized.
This particle impact is activated by what he calls "voltage deflection" and he defines this as "Resonat Action"

The Ionized gas deflects back and forth with each pulse train goning on and off.

As this happens the gas itself impacts kineticaly the charged water molecule. This is what procudes a "Resonat Action"


This is the same principle as in a magnetron!     in a magnetron the electrons bounce back and forth in cavity this causes a "Resonat Action"
which produces the microwaves.

So stan is now saying that by ionizing the gas. The gas itself can deflects or couse "impact". as before this was not possible with normal gas dissasociaton becouse the gas would stabilize upon pulse off time.(BTW I havent seen any experiments that sucesfully ionize the gas instantly form water bath, there has been very close attempts.)

Now the gas itself can exert a pysical force upon the water charged molecule during pulse on time! Becouse the gas itself has become an ion.

Im  not sure if by increasing ions the water bath becomes more resistive? :huh:
(more home work lol)
hmm.. external voltage field deflecting ions..will it conduct current or resist it? :huh:

so x amount of ions will be attracted to negative field due to loss of electron.
would not the possitive plate become saturated with electrons and oxygen ions?
sounds like a tug of war.
this may produce a resistive "wall"
durring pulse off operation due to gatherings of ionized layers.

If that is the case then this is probably what causes resistance to rise! in the water fullfiling the power equation..
. in other post...volts = √watts × ohms
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2119.0

Remember if we are to teoretically have infinite voltage rise we are also to have infinite resistance!

i think if the the water is " pree charged" it will have less resistance...

~Russ

"Spherical Cavity"

This picture is probably one of the most accurate to the Spherical cavity image bellow.

look at that picture!

nice!

there was a video of Stan in a video using that white box there but i haven't seen that cell before. good find.

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ on November 12th, 2014, 08:20 AM

look at that picture!

nice!

there was a video of Stan in a video using that white box there but i haven't seen that cell before. good find.

~Russ

check this picture out.. they sell it at amazon for about 15 bucks.
looks like picture.

Quote from ~Russ on November 12th, 2014, 08:20 AM

look at that picture!

nice!

there was a video of Stan in a video using that white box there but i haven't seen that cell before. good find.

~Russ

searched a little more and found a picture clip where it show possibly the variac control that you are mentioning.. looks like the one on the
other picture but with more controls and its also white. maybe just a benchtop model

good diggin

Here are some pictures for the Sphere that can be used to mimic the "Spherical resonant Cavity"

it comes with a cylinider welded on the top and bottom...
thinking of using grinder to cut weld spots. andy ideas on how to cut cylinder to reviiel the internal spherical shape?

If you want to leave the lip of the cylinder, I'm thinking a partially worn down dremel cutting disk that will fit in the cylinder with enough clearance..  Cut from the inside of the cylinder just inside of the circumference of the sphere.

Quote from firepinto on November 28th, 2014, 05:20 PM

If you want to leave the lip of the cylinder, I'm thinking a partially worn down dremel cutting disk that will fit in the cylinder with enough clearance..  Cut from the inside of the cylinder just inside of the circumference of the sphere.

Thats actually a good Idea!

thanks,