**BINGO**Stan Meyer figure 8XA, self resonance and the gate.

nav

**BINGO**Stan Meyer figure 8XA, self resonance and the gate.
« on October 9th, 2014, 06:06 AM »
This will be my last post on the forum but before I say goodbye I would like to wish you all good luck and i'm going to leave you with something I think is very special.
Last night for the first time I twisted a 1k pot on a circuit and saw amps go down and voltage go up. All the ideas i've had in the past about where the self resonance comes from and the energy, it is quite ironic that it reveals itself when you are least expecting it and TBH i've never tried to build self resonant coils in the past but the truth is - you don't have to build them, they create themselves. At this point you'll be wondering what the hell i'm talking about but bare with me.
The other day I built a very strange toroid core out of steel wire and on this core a placed a simple primary, the coil seemed to be self resonant and use no current at 3.18khz, didn't even get warm in the slightest when it should have done in a very lossy core.
Didn't have a clue what was going on really until late last night. There are three photo's below, I want you to look at my schematic of the double toroid I built in red and black.
Two days ago I mentioned to a friend of mine that when this transformer network was in operation I could hear some sort of argument taking place between the primary and the secondary and the secondary sounded like it was spluttering or delayed. I pondered over it but couldn't figure it out, anyway last night I decided to gate the toroid transformer.
Here is what happened: During the gating period the secondary self resonates at a frequency of its own that is different from the supplied frequency. When you widen the gate time the voltage from the secondary goes up. This is because you are providing a longer period of time for the secondary to self resonate. But here is a question, how is it self resonating?
Well, its all about providing an inductor with a path to self resonate and in this case it is the smaller fatter toroid. The inductor is self resonating around the smaller toroid at its own natural self resonant frequency when the power is turned off.
It does this because the fatter shorter toroid is more suited to allow it to do so.
Now, with that in mind I want you to look at Stan's figure 8XA below. Stan only uses 60hz and chops the frequency with a bridge rectifier to 120hz. He then gates the frequency into the bifilar coil and at this point there are gated pulses of 120hz going into the coil. Notice the coil arrangement there are two pairs of semi circles that surround the core. There has been many an argument as to what these are and some suggest they are magnetic field indicators but I'm telling you that they are a pair of toroids.
Here is what happens in Stan's 8XA: Stan uses 110vac then steps the voltage up with a transformer, he then fully rectifies the voltage and gates it with a PWM driving an optocoupler so that the high voltage cannot spike his PWM. The pulse train is now gated HV at 120hz going into the bifilar coil. The bifilar coils has natural self resonance but to allow that to happen he provides a toroid core for the coil to self resonate around just like my secondary is on my schematic and he allows a time period for it to do so in the gate. But he cannot allow the voltage in the bifilar to go backwards towards the transformer so he places an high voltage diode in that return path.
The wider the gate, the more time the coil has to self resonate and send voltage to the cell.
It doesn't matter what frequency you drive the bifilar coils with because when the power is switched off by the gate the coils will self resonate around the toroid at their own natural self resonant frequency. and that is the energy you use to drive the cell not the 120hz.
We build transformers incorrectly and always have done.
I hope you all understand that and I have drawn a schematic of my own that is showing how Stan's VIC works below. Thankyou all, good luck, its been a blast.




Lynx

Re: **BINGO**Stan Meyer figure 8XA, self resonance and the gate.
« Reply #2, on October 9th, 2014, 09:22 AM »
May one ask why this would be your last post on this forum?
I highly value your posts Nav and of all the members here your posts are the ones I've collected the most and made my own documents out of.
This post makes yet another such document, thanks for sharing!

nav

Re: **BINGO**Stan Meyer figure 8XA, self resonance and the gate.
« Reply #3, on October 9th, 2014, 12:07 PM »
Quote from Lynx on October 9th, 2014, 09:22 AM
May one ask why this would be your last post on this forum?
I highly value your posts Nav and of all the members here your posts are the ones I've collected the most and made my own documents out of.
This post makes yet another such document, thanks for sharing!
I've been working on this for the best part of 3 years on and off and this morning when I woke up I actually felt sad. I felt sad because I've chased the answer for so long and been exited about so many things and now that I turned a 1k pot around and saw what happened, it kind of saddens you because there is nothing to chase anymore. Which answers my own question why I chased the answer, I chased it for everyone else really and not myself. I have to move on.
I have a cold fusion project on the way. Good luck Lynx, btw, that last document you filed of my work.....take note.

Lynx

Re: **BINGO**Stan Meyer figure 8XA, self resonance and the gate.
« Reply #4, on October 9th, 2014, 01:48 PM »
Well I guess you've got your reasons for moving on as you say, too bad if you don't want to share your findings regarding your cold fusion project.
I hope you change your mind though, I'd love to see your logic and reasoning about such a concept.

Jamie H.

Re: **BINGO**Stan Meyer figure 8XA, self resonance and the gate.
« Reply #5, on October 9th, 2014, 02:02 PM »Last edited on October 9th, 2014, 02:04 PM
Thanks Nav, for sharing your revelation. I've written out a list of theories and none of them were close to this. This is big!
I hate to see you go. Maybe you can come back to visit us once in a while? Give us some updates on your cold fusion project?

Thanks for all of your contributions. Your contributions weren't for yourself but, for the good of the planet, all of the life it contains, including man kind.

Jamie

firepinto

Re: **BINGO**Stan Meyer figure 8XA, self resonance and the gate.
« Reply #6, on October 9th, 2014, 02:35 PM »
I think the idea sounds good, but does this mean that all the transformers in the estate photos are red herrings?  There is only one path in the cores in 11 cell VIC transformers (U cores), and two equal length paths in the injector VIC transformers (EI core).

This would be quite the custom core to have made, if it was going to be serviceable.  It would be like a "EE core" with one leg of the E's having an extra long inside width. 

~Russ

Re: **BINGO**Stan Meyer figure 8XA, self resonance and the gate.
« Reply #7, on October 9th, 2014, 03:25 PM »
well Nav, its been a pleasure and you know where to find us...

I will say that there is a future cold fusion project that is also in the works here... with that said i look forward to hearing fro you some where. maybe we could collaborate some where....

i will say that what your seeing during the off time is the natural resonant frequency... yes,

this is the frequency you can tune to to achieve maximum resonance. then the gating just alows it to relax and start again.

a theory on the VIC will be published soon and i think you will like it so i will PM you when its posted.

Manny blessings and don't forget, we are all one! cya somewhere!!

~Russ 




nav

Re: **BINGO**Stan Meyer figure 8XA, self resonance and the gate.
« Reply #10, on October 10th, 2014, 10:08 AM »Last edited on October 10th, 2014, 11:01 AM
Thanks guys, you all take care. I would come back and post my cold fusion stuff but .....how can I put this.......? Can't really post my stuff here its gonna upset a few folks.
Russ, i'd just like to say one thing to you really.....there is no such thing as a self resonant coil only self resonant networks. The self resonant coil is resonant with its network core providing it is allowed to do so without being affected by other coils and their respective networks. Therefore build the self resonant network first on its own toroid core then add the rest of the system to it remembering that the rest of the system must not interfere with the self resonant network. Sub harmonic frequencies will drive the system. Tesla resonant networks also work like this. :)
 

Lynx

Re: **BINGO**Stan Meyer figure 8XA, self resonance and the gate.
« Reply #11, on October 10th, 2014, 10:42 AM »
Quote from nav on October 10th, 2014, 10:08 AM
Thanks guys, you all take care. I would come back and post my cold fusion stuff but .....how can I put this.......? Can't really post my stuff here its gonna upset a few folks.
Russ, i'd just like to say one thing to you really.....there is no such thing as a self resonant coil only self resonant networks. The self resonant coil is resonant with its network core providing it is allowed to do so without being affected by other coils and their respective networks. Therefore build the self resonant network first on its own toroid core then add the rest of the system to it remembering that the rest of the system must not interfere with the self resonant network. Sub harmonic frequencies will drive the system. Tesla resonant networks also work like this. :)
You're more than welcome to post your findings here anytime Nav, we (the staff) will do our VERY BEST to see to it to protect your posts, this I can assure you.
Should the forum go down in flames just because then we'll just rise again......and again.........and again.
THEY can't stop us.