I spent several hours reading posts on the EPG transformer as I like to call it.

First off people are spending WAY too much time trying to produce this huge multicoil setup.
Start off small, one coil using 200 turns of 24 gauge motor winding wire with 1 24" daimeter 1/2 copper piping.
The challenge is the  magnetised Argon gas. The electron evacuator as far as I can tell has never been successfully implemented.

Maybe Im wrong but is there ANYONE that has actually made magnetic gas other than MIT, which did so in 2012.

Baby steps, First step the gas.

Thanks,
Phil

I assume no,

because the prerequisites for equipment needed to create/design magnetic gas are not fulfilled at layman´s level of technology. 

So the gas is 2nd step ...

I am working on it. I think the answers may be found in Teslas work..Teleforce and its not a death ray beam its a particle excelarator that uses a pump to move free air round the circle like myers red pump and tesla is using 2 coils each one a diffrent sign. like myer 2 coils with red pump. the use of a open ended vacum tube. im using a crt particle excelarator i cut off old tv for test and am now getting done building van de grafc gen holtz and whimhurst machine. static electricity is a key so im learning as fast as i can.I will be posting more information on my thread cold electricity how to. And will be showing. the devices in action and try my best to explain myself and where I

No, but I'll give you a little hint that Russ overlooked.

Stan's original EPGs had R12 Freon connectors soldered on them.  :whistle:

How do I know...?

A little birdy with the initials MN told me--someone who held three of them in his hands.

My man thanks Matt I appreciate that the early bird will catch the worm then. If its me I promise to all that I will share it for free

Helium3 is a magnetic gas as used in MRI machines to view lungs.  It is not a gas "lattice" as Stan says, but would it work?  Who knows.  They are talking about mining for it on the moon, so it might be hard to find.  If it does, it probably puts free energy out of our price range.

Quote from Breakzeitgeist on September 29th, 2014, 12:15 PM

My man thanks Matt I appreciate that the early bird will catch the worm then. If its me I promise to all that I will share it for free

Has nothing to do with magnetic gas as we are thinking about it.  Simply standard refrigeration with an electrical twist.  I asked for more info, but got the standard reply, "If I tell you any more I'll have to kill you."

So what I recommend is to take a small window AC unit and wrap some coils on the high pressure side and the low pressure side and watch how the phase change amplifies the magnetic current.  If that reveals zippo, I'll go back to the insider and tell him he's full of Poo.

Don't think any of this is for real?

Watch Russ' video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSSS2Oo6qBg#

Did Russ not read right out of the patent that the tubing cannot be made from a conductive material?  And what is the tubing actually made out of on Stan's original EPGs?

You got it.  Copper tubing.

Still think the patent is telling you the straight scoup?

Think maybe that little tank noted #32 is a mystery?  It would be if you didn't know about the R12 Freon connectors.

The key is magnetic gas. Without magnetism, you will have no transformer. I personally think if it were possible to do what Stan did 30 years ago, someone would have done it by now. I am willing to help but knowing what I do about transformers, there is NO way this EPG would work without magnetic gas.

This varying magnetic field at the secondary induces a varying electromotive force (emf) or voltage in the secondary winding. With no magnetic media you have no transformer. So why bother making coils without anything to excite it?
SO when I see people making elaborate, multi-coil systems, trying to figure out whether to connect them in parallel or series, I think to myself, you are putting the cart WAY before the horse. Who cares how you connect them. Hell use only ONE coil to prove you can induce a voltage FIRST.

But before that, you MUST HAVE SOME KIND OF MAGNETIC MEDIA to move through the coil.

lol u guys are so full of gas.  yea there is another patent. go locate it by dr townsed brown..

it was the first epg gadget. but in reality the epg is a cyclotron..  the sparg gap russ made is the arc reactor and he just dont care to share anymore..

havent answered one of my posts in years Russ. are you a hater or a pledge to a higher order? wow...

Quote from Phil Tuttobene on September 29th, 2014, 05:52 PM

But before that, you MUST HAVE SOME KIND OF MAGNETIC MEDIA to move through the coil.

This is your thread Phil, so you can take it in any direction you would like.  I just have a few simple questions if you would be so kind to answer them for us:

Would you agree the core material for the EPG is a magnetic gas?

And would you also agree the tubes Stan used are copper?

Lastly, if the core material is surround by a copper tube, would it not completely short out anything resembling what we know to be a transformer?

Quote from Phil Tuttobene on September 29th, 2014, 05:52 PM

With no magnetic media you have no transformer. So why bother making coils without anything to excite it?

Sorry, just one other little thing to ask.  Where's the magnetic media here in this well known transformer?

Quote from freethisone on September 29th, 2014, 06:22 PM

lol u guys are so full of gas.  yea there is another patent. go locate it by dr townsed brown..

it was the first epg gadget. but in reality the epg is a cyclotron..  the sparg gap russ made is the arc reactor and he just dont care to share anymore..

havent answered one of my posts in years Russ. are you a hater or a pledge to a higher order? wow...

Tone down things a bit will you.
Personal insults are where we draw the line, that goes for all members.

ahh sorry Lynx the full of gas was a epg joke.

just trying to give Russ a nudge. to comment on my direct questions to him.

could you comment on the Arc reactor?

or was it a way to make a tesla coil sing like never before. well there it is?

cheers.

Quote from freethisone on September 30th, 2014, 11:59 AM

ahh sorry Lynx the full of gas was a epg joke.

just trying to give Russ a nudge. to comment on my direct questions to him.

could you comment on the Arc reactor?

or was it a way to make a tesla coil sing like never before. well there it is?

cheers.

Actually it was this I reacted to,

Quote from freethisone on September 29th, 2014, 06:22 PM

havent answered one of my posts in years Russ. are you a hater or a pledge to a higher order? wow...

If you consider this to be a joke then I'd like to take this opportunity to clarify that it's more of an insult than a joke.
Also, if I thought I had something worthwhile sharing then I would have already commented on both the arc reactor and the Tesla coil threads.

After looking over all the pics and comments. I do believe this to be a "gas primary transformer". Pulsing the magnetic gas at 5000Hz is not unlike a switching power supply of modern day. We use 400 hz and this allows a much smaller transformer than the older 60 hz sinewave  huge copper transformers. In THEORY it would work.

So my initial observation of Stans "EPG" is a magnetic gas or more correct the electrons in that gas,that's accelerated around a tube with a heat pump or later a laser  with the coils around the tube producing voltage.

The point to this thread was two fold:

1) People are spending way too much time winding hundreds of coils when first you need to produce a voltage on even one coil to prove the theory.

2) I don't put a lot of confidence that this ever really worked. First off Stans "ionizer" that supposedly magnetizes the gas I don't believe will ever work. I hope someone proves me wrong but 30 years later, no working prototype?

I find that kind of weird, especially since Stan had NO special equipment and MIT only recently was able to produce magnetic gas in a lab with millions invested in high tech, clean room equipment that wasn't even available in the 80's.

Lastly, I don't believe in the conspiracy theory... If Stans invention did work, its too big an invention for ANYONE to solely capitalize on. So first thing you do is NOT patent it. You open it up to the world with FULL DISCLOSURE on how to build it. Then, as public knowledge everyone is safe because the people in power cant kill everyone. So if Stan DID make this work (which I doubt) he caused his own death by not opening it up immediately to the world. Not theory, but actual A-B-C-D this is how it works, this is how you build it, this is what you use., etc. Hell the celebrity alone would have made the guy a multi-billionaire, not to mention going down in history as important as Benjamin Franklin, Tesla, Faraday, etc.. You don't need to sell the thing, just take credit for its existence.

So having said that... I believe this "EPG" is a farce and he was sued due to it and likely he was killed by someone pissed off for his taking their money.
Just my opinion, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

Quote from Phil Tuttobene on October 1st, 2014, 06:07 AM

Lastly, I don't believe in the conspiracy theory... If Stans invention did work, its too big an invention for ANYONE to solely capitalize on. So first thing you do is NOT patent it. You open it up to the world with FULL DISCLOSURE on how to build it. Then, as public knowledge everyone is safe because the people in power cant kill everyone.

Hear hear!
Good to see we're on the same page :thumbsup:

Quote from freethisone on September 29th, 2014, 06:22 PM

lol u guys are so full of gas.  yea there is another patent. go locate it by dr townsed brown..

it was the first epg gadget. but in reality the epg is a cyclotron..  the sparg gap russ made is the arc reactor and he just dont care to share anymore..

havent answered one of my posts in years Russ. are you a hater or a pledge to a higher order? wow...

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2014, 10:14 AM

Tone down things a bit will you.
Personal insults are where we draw the line, that goes for all members.

Free, you know me better that that.. as lynx stated, if i have anything worth adding to i would reply.. also please keep in mined that i have to use my time wisely and i haven't the time to reply to every comment in every place i found one, i have to pick and chose where i spend my time wisely and make sure i have my priority's first. and lately that has been family so less time on the forums lately. but one day at a time as my Quote below states.. we will all get there together...

Quote from Phil Tuttobene on October 1st, 2014, 06:07 AM

After looking over all the pics and comments. I do believe this to be a "gas primary transformer". Pulsing the magnetic gas at 5000Hz is not unlike a switching power supply of modern day. We use 400 hz and this allows a much smaller transformer than the older 60 hz sinewave  huge copper transformers. In THEORY it would work.

So my initial observation of Stans "EPG" is a magnetic gas or more correct the electrons in that gas,that's accelerated around a tube with a heat pump or later a laser  with the coils around the tube producing voltage.

The point to this thread was two fold:

1) People are spending way too much time winding hundreds of coils when first you need to produce a voltage on even one coil to prove the theory.

2) I don't put a lot of confidence that this ever really worked. First off Stans "ionizer" that supposedly magnetizes the gas I don't believe will ever work. I hope someone proves me wrong but 30 years later, no working prototype?

I find that kind of weird, especially since Stan had NO special equipment and MIT only recently was able to produce magnetic gas in a lab with millions invested in high tech, clean room equipment that wasn't even available in the 80's.

Lastly, I don't believe in the conspiracy theory... If Stans invention did work, its too big an invention for ANYONE to solely capitalize on. So first thing you do is NOT patent it. You open it up to the world with FULL DISCLOSURE on how to build it. Then, as public knowledge everyone is safe because the people in power cant kill everyone. So if Stan DID make this work (which I doubt) he caused his own death by not opening it up immediately to the world. Not theory, but actual A-B-C-D this is how it works, this is how you build it, this is what you use., etc. Hell the celebrity alone would have made the guy a multi-billionaire, not to mention going down in history as important as Benjamin Franklin, Tesla, Faraday, etc.. You don't need to sell the thing, just take credit for its existence.

So having said that... I believe this "EPG" is a farce and he was sued due to it and likely he was killed by someone pissed off for his taking their money.
Just my opinion, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

a lot of good thoughts and there has been a lot of discussion on this forum in the past.

that video i maid along ago i have scene learned a lot about this EPG and will share some of my thoughts.

Matt, could you please post where in a photo there were R12 connectors? i ether over looked this or was think on a another level,

such as "you need to be able to go the hard where store and make it" so with this quote from Stan him self if looking at the hardware store for a pressure fitting and there happen to be R12 pressure fittings then... cool.go for it. ?? just a thought,

But I'm always open for ideas..

next to answer some of Phil's Thoughts,

I feel that stan use H H O as a magnetic gas ( or that was his intent) as we can temporary polarize H H O gas. now will it work the way a standerd transformer worked? i just dont know,

this video has a lot of information in it that's worth quoting:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGqCaVFWIWQ

he talks about it like a conventional electric generator ( moving magnets past coils) not a transformer per say,

now there is something that needs to be pointed out here,

a lot of Stan's equipment was all based on the VIC ( as you can see in the video all other inventions is based on the VIC working the was Stan states it dose)

so with out the VIC and its functionality this all would be a lot harder to produce the same results with the same efficiency level.

stan talks not only about the VIC but about the fact that if you can extract electrons from the gas then you can use them as as a voltage sorce to do work. ( just like a battery) its the same as connecting the hot line of your incoming AC to ground... you get current flow.. but its to ground? what? its the neutral point.... atoms/electrons just want to be balanced.... so they seek the place that they can be "happy"


so if we take H H O gas and remove electrons from the oxygen ( Stan states up to 4) and use those as energy production...

now we have this unstable gas... it wants electrons... feed it though a copper tube and it will attract free electrons and " pull" them in t complete the circuit ( source it from a grounded wire to each coil) 

where there is electron flow there is current flow (usable energy in the form of voltage potential deference) 

so what happen to the magmatic gas idea? well i'm just pointing out that this may not be what it seams... although i believe that the magnetic gas idea is achievable through the VIC principals of removing electrons and letting the gas stabilize with a gas maid of iron or nickle gas particle's stan describes with the argon... 

now if anyone wants to know... me and Russell Marten ( limitlessness research) are planing a "day o fun" with the EPG...

we have and are working on a list of "simple" tests to do.. we are trying to find time to get this set up. just something that's in the works...

take this as an example:

gas electric battery:

http://open-source-energy.org/files/rwg42985/russ/Patents/Stan%20Meyer%20Dealership%20Sales%20Manual%201986.pdf

page 119

look at that for a while, read through that there is More EPG information in that doc then in most of his patents... New diagrams ECT than in the patents. Patents are confusing, this is eazer to read through.

Matt:
maybe that " Think maybe that little tank noted #32 is a mystery?  It would be if you didn't know about the R12 Freon connectors." is actialy  This " fig 40" in the Stan Meyer Dealership Sales Manual...

??

just some more thoughts for you all to chew on! keep it coming. new ideas new thoughts are good!!

~Russ

FYI, there no visibal R12 connected on the EPG in the photos.

not saying there was not any screwed in to the EPG at one time but there is none now...

~Russ

Quote from firepinto on September 29th, 2014, 12:57 PM

Helium3 is a magnetic gas as used in MRI machines to view lungs.  It is not a gas "lattice" as Stan says, but would it work?  Who knows.  They are talking about mining for it on the moon, so it might be hard to find.  If it does, it probably puts free energy out of our price range.

Nitrous oxide is paramagnetic, as is oxygen. So perhaps a nitrous oxide-filled and pressurized transformer coil?

Plasma also exhibits magnetic properties. So perhaps a plasma generated via high voltage discharge, magnetically contained in a toroidal coil, used as the magnetic core of the transformer of which part of it is that toroidal coil?

Cycle, can you help me understand just one simple thing here.  I've been struggling with it since I first heard about magnetic gas.

If you magnetize a gas (or liquid for that matter), so it has north and south poles on each particle, what would prevent the particles from all clumping together and separating from the rest of the inactive gas(es)  (or liquids)?

Just seems to me it would be a natural phenomena and everybody seems to discount it as something that wouldn't happen.

I agree Matt, I have talked to folks in the past about this, if the gas is polarized ( each atom having a polarity) then it would become a solid " magnet" with one polarity.  thus when finishing the loop... it would be the snake rating its own tail...

but if the particles were linked in such a way that the magnet filed would be 90 degrees from the pipe... then we have other problems. for instance, lets say the gas is one atom wide. and its linked so it has a " pole" then the wire is 100's or 1000's of atoms wide... will this still induce a current?

just some thoughts...

i think the atoms have to be linked correctly... if so then maybe it will work as we think it should... 
~Russ

Quote from Matt Watts on April 4th, 2015, 09:13 PM

Cycle, can you help me understand just one simple thing here.  I've been struggling with it since I first heard about magnetic gas.

If you magnetize a gas (or liquid for that matter), so it has north and south poles on each particle, what would prevent the particles from all clumping together and separating from the rest of the inactive gas(es)  (or liquids)?

Just seems to me it would be a natural phenomena and everybody seems to discount it as something that wouldn't happen.

That's a good question. I have no idea, unfortunately. I'm assuming that most gasses that exhibit magnetic properties are either paramagnetic or diamagnetic in nature, since a ferromagnetic or ferrimagnetic gas would seem impossible. Diamagnetic I could understand, since the gas would repel itself under an applied magnetic field. I have no idea how a paramagnetic gas would behave, but you're right, it would seem to me that it would clump together.

One thing I did learn, an ionized gas does exhibit magnetic properties. So a corona discharge in a gas would cause the gas to be affected by a magnetic field. So perhaps Russ's work with the Papp engine's noble gasses, modified to work in this situation, might yield some results.

I'm envisioning a toroidal coil. Inside the toroidal coil would be a sealed nonconductive tube. A corona discharge setup inside the tube would create an ionized plasma (in a noble gas? in oxygen? in nitrous oxide? Not sure.). The enveloping magnetic field of the toroidal coil would contain the plasma inside the tube. The plasma, being affected by magnetism, would improve the response of the toroidal coil in turn by acting as the core of the toroidal coil. If the toroidal coil could be wound such that the plasma could whirl around in a circle inside that tube inside that toroidal coil (or it was pumped), the movement of the plasma would create a positive enhancement to the magnetic response of the plasma, thereby improving the response of the toroidal coil. The faster the plasma moves, the more voltage the toroidal coil's secondary windings would generate. The higher the plasma's pressure (and hence density), the more voltage the toroidal coil's secondary windings would generate.

But an ionized gas core transformer (which is essentially what it would be) seems to be going to a lot of trouble for such a small magnetic response. To even come close to a decent magnetic response, your pressure would have to be pretty high. A ferromagnetic fluid core would seem to me to give a  much better response.

Quote from Cycle on April 6th, 2015, 11:39 AM

That's a good question. I have no idea, unfortunately. I'm assuming that most gasses that exhibit magnetic properties are either paramagnetic or diamagnetic in nature, since a ferromagnetic or ferrimagnetic gas would seem impossible. Diamagnetic I could understand, since the gas would repel itself under an applied magnetic field. I have no idea how a paramagnetic gas would behave, but you're right, it would seem to me that it would clump together.

One thing I did learn, an ionized gas does exhibit magnetic properties. So a corona discharge in a gas would cause the gas to be affected by a magnetic field. So perhaps Russ's work with the Papp engine's noble gasses, modified to work in this situation, might yield some results.

I'm envisioning a toroidal coil. Inside the toroidal coil would be a sealed nonconductive tube. A corona discharge setup inside the tube would create an ionized plasma (in a noble gas? in oxygen? in nitrous oxide? Not sure.). The enveloping magnetic field of the toroidal coil would contain the plasma inside the tube. The plasma, being affected by magnetism, would improve the response of the toroidal coil in turn by acting as the core of the toroidal coil. If the toroidal coil could be wound such that the plasma could whirl around in a circle inside that tube inside that toroidal coil (or it was pumped), the movement of the plasma would create a positive enhancement to the magnetic response of the plasma, thereby improving the response of the toroidal coil. The faster the plasma moves, the more voltage the toroidal coil's secondary windings would generate. The higher the plasma's pressure (and hence density), the more voltage the toroidal coil's secondary windings would generate.

But an ionized gas core transformer (which is essentially what it would be) seems to be going to a lot of trouble for such a small magnetic response. To even come close to a decent magnetic response, your pressure would have to be pretty high. A ferromagnetic fluid core would seem to me to give a  much better response.

In one of Stans speeches he compares the EPG to a particle accelerator..
that is "charged particles"  guided by magnetic fields.
 
Again he then compares it to a hot chatode ray tube.. like in the old television screens..

we can replace the phosoporus plate with a collector....

So an "electron gun" producing a stream of electrons can induce a magnetic  field on a coil and be collected with a  anode plate at the end and "recycled".  see image below. what will the efficiency be? have no idea..   just brain storming.. trying to see what other source we can use instead of gas.