It occured to me recently that one of the primary reasons no one can get Meyer's entire system to work is because we are all building it ass to tit.
Everyone seems to be building from the primary and ending with the tubes when we should be starting with the tubes, building an LC circuit in them then move backwards.
I know for a fact how Stan's VIC works and I can steal at least 10% energy without the primary coil even noticing. In my latest series of tests based on breaking down the Angus's youtube video's, I discovered that his forward bias on his wheel was cancellation bias between Stan's resonant charging chokes but instead of Angus gathering that bias and using it in a positive effect he wasted it in the wheel.
Now that we know that we can steal 10% bias in ANY bucking style configuration completely free to ANY voltage potential we can configure that into a fuel cell but the fuel cell MUST be built first.
So, first we build a set of tubes into a LC circuit.
To do this for experimental purposes I would start off with very small tubes, perhaps a couple of centimetres long with a gap of perhaps half a millimetre, it doesn't matter really as long as we build a capacitor out of tubes that will allow water between them. Build your tubes into a LC circuit with an inductor that you know will resonate naturally. We can do it with conventional caps so we can do it with tubes. I would insulate the tubes at this stage.
Once you have reached that point then that inductor which forms your LC circuit will become the bias between the two resonant charging chokes in your VIC. You build your resonant chokes so that the bias matches the LC circuit.
That means that the voltage potential of the bias becomes the voltage potential of the fuel cell and you run the frequency of the VIC at the natural frequency that the LC circuit requires.
If we build the tubes and coat them in a dielectric layer, I would make it so that this layer provides half of the dielectric constant and the water provides the other half at this stage in testing. I am on with this build at the minute.

Just to add:- When you build your cell. it is always advisable to build it with a variable capacitor in series with it. Use a variable cap that has a tolerance of up to the 0 to 30% of the total capacitance. When you get the ball park figure of resonance and you build your bias in your charging choke to match - again make sure you are using a variable inductor that can do the same as the cap and between them you will be able to tune it perfectly.

Awesome :thumbsup:

Btw Nav, wouldn't you be interested in getting your own bench and present the build at hand in there instead?
That way you get to call all the shots with regards to what goes or not in your own bench as you get local moderating powers to manage all the contents in there.
You can create however many threads you like regarding your build, say for example an actual build thread, an associated discussion thread, a trashcan for BS posts, etc etc.

Just a thought :-)

Quote from Lynx on August 10th, 2014, 02:19 AM

Awesome :thumbsup:

Btw Nav, wouldn't you be interested in getting your own bench and present the build at hand in there instead?
That way you get to call all the shots with regards to what goes or not in your own bench as you get local moderating powers to manage all the contents in there.
You can create however many threads you like regarding your build, say for example an actual build thread, an associated discussion thread, a trashcan for BS posts, etc etc.

Just a thought :-)

Hi Lynx, I am very much an hands on person, I read much of what has been said on here as well as other places and try to read between the lines as to where we are all going wrong. I have made quite a few video's showing experiments of various different stages of this mystery but generally speaking i'm not that good at making them. I make mistakes like everyone else does but I learn from them as a go along. I'm pretty much like everyone else on here and I learn from the stuff I witness. I don't want to do a room by myself but I will take pictures and notify people of my mistakes and successes. At the moment after the Angus experiments I have a little free energy to play with, Andy seems to have some to play with too after he cancelled back EMF in his system and had voltage to play with in charging a cap, I suggest people get that side of it sorted and prove to themselves just like Angus did that there is actually energy to play with. This LC circuit is going to be a long battle because the capacitance we are talking about aswell as coil lengths is a major difficulty but the use of variable caps and variable inductors will help. Were half way there, I know we are, we just have to join the VIC to the cell successfully. I'll keep you posted.

I will give you the schematic of my VIC and cell but there are no figures to play with at the moment. To begin with I have to build a cell and an inductor that form an LC circuit to the right, on the schematic it is joined to the VIC but at first it won't be. There is a 1:1 transformer connected to the cell with the diode D2 on the positive side. The secondary of that transformer will form the LC circuit with the cell at first.I can supply that transformer with an output from a PWM This will be the easy way to do it instead of using L2 within the cell because the entire VIC will be built after the LC circuit is completed. The 1:1 transformer when complete will be of the same gauge windings and number of turns on its primary and secondary. When I find the LC resonance I can build L1 and L2 so that the bias between them will exactly match the inductance of the secondary on the 1:1 transformer. Once that has been completed then the 1:1 transformer can be removed together with its diode and fine tuned because of losses associated with that transformer. It could be left in to be honest and will still work.

Ok, interesting.
Thanks Nav, good luck :thumbsup:

I wish the best of luck to you, Nav.

Jamie

good Stuff nav,

looking forwerd to your tests.

i have a similar thought process but with out the 1:1 transformer.

none the less! keep us posted! :)

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ on August 11th, 2014, 07:33 AM

good Stuff nav,

looking forwerd to your tests.

i have a similar thought process but with out the 1:1 transformer.

none the less! keep us posted! :)

~Russ

Hi Russ, the reason i'm using a 1:1 transformer is because if I chose to build a VIC first and try and use the choke bias as an LC circuit with my tubes, it will be extremely difficult. I figured if I build a stand alone inductor together with my tubes then I can transfer that ball park figure into the chokes. I cannot think of any other way other than using a 1:1 transformer so that I can apply a frequency to an LC circuit from a PWM. I had thought of using a bifiler coil but went against that idea. I need two wires in from the PWM and two wires out to the tubes. Can you think of another way other than a bifiler coil or a 1:1 transformer for building an LC network driven by a PWM?

not really,

one thing you could do is even step up the potential.

use a 1:20 or something/

just a thought.

1:1 would be a good start!

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ on August 11th, 2014, 10:06 AM

not really,

one thing you could do is even step up the potential.

use a 1:20 or something/

just a thought.

1:1 would be a good start!

~Russ

You can't step up the potential on the 1:1 transformer. The induction values of the choke bias must be transported through to the tubes and have the same induction value as the secondary on the transformer. If you stepped up the transformer then the secondary on that transformer would have a different LC network value. What I will do Russ is put up a post using a CCFL inverter converted into a fuel cell, this is slightly different because I will be using a full bridge rectifier after the choke bias. You will see what I mean.