QEG -- Anyone see it running?

Matt Watts

QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« on March 26th, 2014, 05:52 PM »Last edited on March 26th, 2014, 06:42 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCmu6sbXPlM#ws

http://pesn.com/2014/03/26/9602463_Quantum-Energy-Generator_QEG_Open-Sourced/

http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/qeg-open-sourced/

Do be aware of this statement within the attached PDF:
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We would like to dedicate the success we’ve experienced to our first teacher, Sir Timothy Thrapp, and WITTS Ministries, without whose guidance none of this would be available so soon. We acknowledge and honor the work WITTS has done for over 200 years bringing technology forward, and hope that you will consider making a donation to the ministry for their great work.

haiqu

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #1, on March 28th, 2014, 09:35 PM »
Just found this one today Matt, my niece posted the links on Facebook.

I'll be building one of these puppies if it looks workable.

Matt Watts

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #2, on March 28th, 2014, 10:24 PM »Last edited on March 28th, 2014, 10:28 PM
I was getting pretty excited until I spotted the reference to WITTS.  Mr. Thrapp would never let any technology out the door (if it exists) without some serious "campaign contributions".  So unfortunately, I smell a rat on this one.  I'd love to be wrong and have folks all around me building working devices, but that little voice in my head is telling me to save my money for now.

Just looking at the schematic, it seems something is amiss unless to somebody they can see a way a little residual magnetism can amplify up to strong magnetism either in the rotor or the stator.  I just don't see it.  I also don't see how you would ever get a spark across the gap with a tiny little LC circuit connected in parallel.  If this thing works, it's pure magic to me how it does it.

haiqu

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #3, on March 28th, 2014, 11:24 PM »Last edited on March 28th, 2014, 11:41 PM
After reading the manual I'm dipping out on this for now.

It's 50% warnings and rainbows and unicorns, 5% religious bunkum, 20% photos, 10% parts list and 15% instructions. The important last 15% is woefully inadequate for building and setting up the device, and includes such genius statements as:

"After the QEG is first built, the spark gap on the exciter coil should be adjusted (with power off) to between .005” and .010”. Start the generator and let it spark for 2-3 seconds, and repeat this 4 or 5 times. Do this whenever starting the generator for the first few weeks of operation."

DAFUQ? Seriously, there's no engineer in charge of this one. Where's the assembly diagram for the mechanical bits? Where are the measurements, and the video of it working? Why all the references to Tesla, including patent, when the design is only roughly based on a reciprocating mechanical design? It's clearly completely unrelated except for the electrical principles, and those have such poor acceptability in EE circles that mentioning him hardly lends it credibility. And how long do you think you can run something with a spark gap before the FCC shuts you down for interfering with everyone's TV reception for miles?

Besides, a 90 pound core would probably cost a fortune if I had it shipped from the USA. For Poos and giggles I sent off a price request anyhow.

I do love their altruistic motives though. At $300ph for consulting fees I could learn to be an altruist too.
Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #4, on March 29th, 2014, 12:53 AM »
Oh, and I believe that running a PM DC motor from the mains to start this thing might be ill-advised as well. ROFL.

vasik041


Matt Watts

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #6, on March 29th, 2014, 10:37 AM »Last edited on March 29th, 2014, 08:47 PM
Quote from vasik041 on March 29th, 2014, 05:00 AM
For me it looks like description of this device
That's it Vasik.  I could have sworn I had seen that device before.

So there you have it, another capitalistic arm of WITTS, trying a new marketing scheme to raise revenue.  It really pains me to see this happening in the name of OpenSource.  But like I told Bussi, if you want to make money off of OpenSource, you need to put the information out there freely and charge for support for those that need it.  Unfortunately in the case of the QEG, EVERYONE would need support to make it work, if that is even possible.  Too bad there isn't a way to light a fire under the Securities and Exchange Commission to go after these people and at least pull their 501c3 accreditation.

haiqu

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #7, on March 29th, 2014, 08:27 PM »
Yes indeed. It has been called the QED and now it's the QEG.

I would like to propose a new name: the QEF, standing for Quixotic Erroneous Farce. You pronounce that as "queef".
Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #8, on March 30th, 2014, 12:50 AM »Last edited on March 30th, 2014, 01:27 AM
My initial outrage at this half-assed "product" has calmed down a bit. Her's a more rational response:

1. The circuit diagram is clearly wrong.
2. The documentation does mention that a bridge rectifier is required between the variac and motor, but there is no information on replacing the variac with the controller board for permanent installation.
3. The wiring notes are incomprehensible.

But let's put aside all incredulity and assume for a moment that this thing actually works somehow and ask the obvious question, is it viable? The answer is a clear and resounding "No" for many reasons. Cost of materials, weight, shipping issues, complexity of mechanical assembly, installation and service issues, dangerous voltages, heavy parts in mechanical rotation, RFI, and many other problems assure us that this can not be manufactured, assembled or used by anyone unless they are well-funded, engineering savvy and/or very, very persistent.

In other words, it's doomed to fail as an open source project from the start.

The fact that the development of the first two prototypes was crowdsource funded to the tune of $24,000 indicates to me a deception, since the payees will never see any benefits. Instead the benefits will go to the promoters as consultants, and to "professional electromechanical engineers" if any can be found who would associate themselves with Hope Girl.

Years of R&D by others has been usurped for personal gain by this crew, who are now swanning around the world propelled by their newfound fame at having "Save(d) The World". And yet they have done no such thing at all. Hope Girl's interviews, rather than showing any understanding of the product, are full of pixie dust and PR. Which is, after all, her professional background. Her stepfather, James the "engineering artist", essentially stole the design from Tim Thrapp and made little improvement.

Some men are great because they stand on the shoulders of giants. Other people, by contributing nothing and usurping the glory, belittle the work of their forebears. And that, in a nutshell, is why I was pissed off at this project. By crediting almost every wacky community on the planet they have created a juggernaut of fools, and now charge forth conquering it with essentially broken technology.

And unsurprisingly, this is how many large companies started in business. But do not be fooled by the seemingly innocuous motives, they are running a business and are very determined to take a hefty market share, while using up the good will of anyone they can bilk along the way.

The good news is that solid-state free energy devices have none of the downsides of the QEG, and will soon come online in bulk. And the sophisticated buyer will purchase smaller, lighter, cheaper devices that fulfil a niche requirement, like powering a single garage or boat, rather than a monolithic monster that's targeted at gluttenous US consumer needs for a complete household.

I live off the grid, and have done for two years. My electrical needs are catered for by 160W of solar panels, although it would be nice to have something that works on cloudy days. For cooking I use 1.6 kg of butane a month, at a cost of $8.00 total. A 50W solid state generator device that ran 24/7 would complete the installation. So, who needs a QEG anyhow?

Good luck to them, they are already history.

dancarp

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #9, on April 3rd, 2014, 06:25 PM »
Perhaps you only looked at the diagrams.  If you read the whole document you would have seen that they fully admit that they are not good at documenting.  The crowdsourcing is to fund units to give away to communities without hydro.  I am going to follow this further as I have been following this group for over a year now.  It is unfortunate that there are still people who will jump to dump a project rather than help it through.

I will announce their progress here as I follow.

Matt Watts

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #10, on April 3rd, 2014, 08:00 PM »
Quote from dancarp on April 3rd, 2014, 06:25 PM
I will announce their progress here as I follow.
Thanks Dan and welcome aboard.

haiqu

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #11, on April 4th, 2014, 10:50 PM »Last edited on April 9th, 2014, 06:10 AM
Quote from dancarp on April 3rd, 2014, 06:25 PM
Perhaps you only looked at the diagrams.  If you read the whole document you would have seen that they fully admit that they are not good at documenting.  The crowdsourcing is to fund units to give away to communities without hydro.  I am going to follow this further as I have been following this group for over a year now.  It is unfortunate that there are still people who will jump to dump a project rather than help it through.
According to this page asking for FTW funds - https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/donate-to-hopegirl-ftw/ -  Hopegirl is raising funds for the following purposes:

1) Financial Assistance to FTW team members in need to keep us going so we can keep doing this work. Example: sending a council member a couple of hundred dollars to help pay for food for the month, or to help with rent. Amount varies, but we would like to have an emergency “kitty” of about $1,000 a month or more.

2) Desperately needed equipment for FTW business matters. Example: We have one council member who is using a broken laptop to try to handle the workflow of an online global organization. We need $1,000 to get her a new laptop.

3) Basic monthly FTW operating expenses. These include: electric bills to keep the power on, phone bills to keep us in communication, internet bills, website hosting expenses, website maintenance expenses, office supplies, software programs needed for digital creation (movies, templates, docs, etc) These expenses are estimated to be about $2,000 per month.

The Indiegogo page was asking for $7160 to build a single prototype, it raised $18,000

I don't see any mention of giving units away on either page. Perhaps you could provide a link to that, and to evidence that the unit actually works.

I concur that the documentation does include the statement "We are not professional writers or photographers and didn’t always have opportunities to document or photograph every step of development." Nice dodge, but I'm unconvinced. Not carefully documenting each step of the build is not the same thing as presenting incomplete and unworkable basic information. An Open Source project that can't be built by others is no project at all. And that's all FTW has given away so far.

I've read Hopegirl's extensive business background, and also her longwinded conspiracy theory based thesis "While You Were Asleep ..." and find her perfectly capable of documentation, if only by regurgitating the paranoid ramblings of others. Prof Carroll Quigley did the complete job in 1966 with his epic two volume master work "Tragedy and Hope". What I doubt is that her motives are sincere; more Tragedy than Hope by my evaluation.

By all means, keep us informed. I won't be wasting any further time tracking this particular ship of fools.

dancarp

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #12, on April 5th, 2014, 08:00 AM »
The Fix the World team is training in Taiwan this week and building a generator.  They are expecting a complete build and operational unit by week's end.
Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #13, on April 5th, 2014, 09:25 AM »
Just a quick note:  The QEG is running.  Note, not completely finished yet, but the initial testing is complete.  Here is the link on YouTube:    Taiwan has the QEG with resonance power! 04Apr14

Matt Watts

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #14, on April 5th, 2014, 03:32 PM »
Quote from dancarp on April 5th, 2014, 09:25 AM
Just a quick note:  The QEG is running.  Note, not completely finished yet, but the initial testing is complete.  Here is the link on YouTube:    Taiwan has the QEG with resonance power! 04Apr14
Well, that does answer my original question.  At least we have some footage of it in action now.

So do we have a mode of operation?  Maybe NMR?

dancarp

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #15, on April 5th, 2014, 04:53 PM »
You got me there.  I am not sure what you mean by mode of operation nor what NMR means.  It is my understanding to this point that the machine will feed an inverter  as well can be used to charge a battery system to re-start the unit if/or when it is shut down for maintenance etc.  The QEG does utilize some of its own energy to maintain resonance meaning the starter motor can be according to the documentation, disconnected.  Not sure how they are going to do that since there does not appear to be any way of live belt removal.

Matt Watts

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #16, on April 8th, 2014, 02:47 PM »Last edited on April 8th, 2014, 02:53 PM
Some more to the story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ#

My take is they really don't know what makes it work--never heard them mention Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR) once, assuming  the device actually does work.

http://qeg.builders/

They also freely admit the idea came from WITTS.

~Russ

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #17, on April 8th, 2014, 03:43 PM »
Dan, please keep us updated here we will just wait this one out.

i'm going to go a head and say that i know some people who have delt with WITTS and there has been Manny Manny things happen and a loss of money in the process.

from some one that has personal experience with WITTS that he is a scam artist. theses are not my words but someone else s. im just posting it here. 
im leaving it at that.
 i can see there in a lot of interest in this so some one will prove it what it is.

time will tell.

~Russ

dancarp

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #18, on April 8th, 2014, 04:27 PM »
thanks for the update Russ.    The video above was recorded 03Apr14.  More information is posted in the  QEG Forum Update 06Apr14 Taiwan QEG Build where there are a large volume of people interested in the progress of this unit.  The Taiwan unit is/was up and running.  As they were increasing the resonance, they had a section of the core short out.  They are investigating that issue.  They are thinking that due to the high voltage in the core, more insulation may be required.  This is all beyond my scope of knowledge, but they did get the thing running at least for a short term.  The good thing now is that there are many electrical engineers participating in the process, so there will be success soon.

The QEG forum is here for those interested: 
QEG Forum

Matt Watts

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #19, on April 8th, 2014, 05:25 PM »Last edited on April 8th, 2014, 05:27 PM
From Sterling's comments, it would appear James M. Robitaille essentially "stole" the technology from WITTS and Tim Thrapp isn't exactly too happy about it--unless he gets a surge of donations.  Maybe "stole" is the wrong word, released to the public without Tim's consent would be more exact.   So...   If people are able to replicate this device and have it work, it sheds new light on WITTS in general, meaning his other stuff may be valid and functional too.

And Russ, I hope you kept that toroidal winder machine you built, it might come in handy.  And for those who don't know, it was this video that got me started here.  Seeing it at Global BEM in Boulder was awesome.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnGoWVPBmTQ#

haiqu

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #20, on April 8th, 2014, 06:54 PM »Last edited on April 9th, 2014, 05:56 AM
"We didn't do thorough output testing before we released it." - James Robitaille (20 min into interview)

Yeah, no kidding.

I see they've been having trouble in Taiwan with wiring shorts due to omission of interwinding insulation. This is such a basic error that I wonder about the competence of Torelco to make these cores. And with all his motor winding experience, James should have known this as well, even if he is a "non-degreed engineer."

Matt Watts

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #21, on April 8th, 2014, 08:32 PM »
See, the dilemma I have Rob?  If only one of these devices worked even a mere ten seconds, it highlights a concept that could be isolated and understood.  This is what I don't want to overlook regardless of the people and practices being employed.  If this device creates the conditions for NMR and NMR is capable of producing output energy beyond its own excitation input, then it makes sense to examine the QEG long enough to see how the NMR phenomena might be possible.  I think the Akula device I'm working on also has this same concept at is core--quite literally the ferrite core of the transformer.  The ones that have so far observed a mechanical vibration in their cores are getting signals on their scopes quite different than what you would get from a conventional circuit.

Now James mentioned in the interview about the mechanical resonance kicking-in at a certain point and when it happens, speeding up the motor (increasing excitation frequency) causes more output power.  We have studied the TL494 chip and circuit with the Akula 30 watt device and so far it appears the same effect is engineered into the design.  Odd for that to be an accident.  If we can get a handle on the concept and engineer it with precision, energy production on-demand is game, set, match.  And when asked, "Where does the energy comes from?"  Oh my could I have some fun answering that question...  :)

haiqu

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #22, on April 8th, 2014, 11:54 PM »Last edited on April 9th, 2014, 12:10 AM
I truly don't care where the energy comes from, as long as I can make myself some of it on a regular basis. I think the physical size of the QEG is overkill for a first device, proof of concept could just as easily have been performed with a unit capable of 500W or even 50W. Cheaper, lighter, easier to ship and build ... so gimme an Akula device that works and I'll be as happy as a clam.

I still think the bi-toroid transformer of Thane Heins is the best bet at this stage. The theory of how it's supposed to operate is understandable and everything else - the need to input AC, use an inverter and so on - seems to be the same as the QEG. Naudin's V2.1 replication is showing a 400% gain DC in to DC out and there are no moving parts. What more could you want?

http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE12en.htm

I've only noticed one downside to all these gadgets. Whethere they're loaded or not, the input needs power to run it. Same for QEG and bi-toroid and probably the Akula. If they're eventually self-looped this isn't an issue but while doing concept testing they will consume a bit of juice.

Also I'd be wary of using ferrite cores if we are getting a physical resonance, they're likely to shatter.

Lynx

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #23, on April 8th, 2014, 11:59 PM »
Quote from Matt Watts on April 8th, 2014, 08:32 PM
The ones that have so far observed a mechanical vibration in their cores are getting signals on their scopes quite different than what you would get from a conventional circuit.

Now James mentioned in the interview about the mechanical resonance kicking-in at a certain point and when it happens, speeding up the motor (increasing excitation frequency) causes more output power.
Just curious, how do these mechanical vibrations manifest themselves?
Can you feel them with your finger if you touch the core?

haiqu

Re: QEG -- Anyone see it running?
« Reply #24, on April 9th, 2014, 12:11 AM »
Lynx: There have been various reports of strong physical vibration. I would expect to be able to both hear and feel that.