Water Impact Technology for plasma production, not just steam.


thx1138v2

Re: Water Impact Technology for plasma production, not just steam.
« Reply #2, on April 4th, 2014, 06:34 PM »
Quote from Mogir Jason Rofick on March 12th, 2014, 06:32 PM
Just as when a car traveling at 100 miles per hour hits a wall, then a great amount of energy is released, and so too, when two cars, each traveling at 100 miles per hour each hit each other head on, then a much grater amount of energy is released.

Well, aiming a single jet of water at a solid object may indeed release a lot of energy, Yes! But, you destroy your surface in the process.

However, using 3 dimensions, how much more energy would be released if you aimed two water jets at each other? And, how even more so, and yet with less water per stream by having a number of streams converge into a center-point from the angles of, lets say a dodecahedron?  Now add timed pulsing to the jets...

Easy plasma, without destroying a surface!

MagnaMoRo
Invert the idea. Contain the water in a globe fully filled. Then pulse the globe at differewnt points with sound waves. The sound waves all travel to and converge at the center of the globe and compress the water. Done correctly, it produces light at the center of the globe.

It's called sonoluminescence. Search that word on the web.

Another topic you might want to research is called "electrostatic containment fusion" and the "Farnsworth multipactor" and "Farnsworth fusor".

freethisone

Re: Water Impact Technology for plasma production, not just steam.
« Reply #3, on April 5th, 2014, 06:35 AM »
Quote from Mogir Jason Rofick on April 4th, 2014, 11:28 PM
I found this video:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e62_1354862274

And I found this info this info in someones coment. It might help in doing some more research.
that is funny that you bring up, i was thinking the same thing but with light itself. by using the scattering effect it can cause a force on a rotor.
by reflecting photons with shinny surfaces. mabey some on can try isolating a blob of hydrogen and hit it with a laser. see how hot it can get.
but the sunlight is doing the same thing with our amosphere.  reflecting, absorbing energy, and emitting photons.


thx1138v2

Re: Water Impact Technology for plasma production, not just steam.
« Reply #5, on April 8th, 2014, 06:54 AM »
Quote from Mogir Jason Rofick on April 4th, 2014, 11:28 PM
And I found this info this info in someones comment. It might help in doing some more research.
If you study that long enough what you will see is that there is no way to extract the heat energy in the bubble because doing so would change the device geometry sufficiently to prevent the bubble from forming in the first place. Even if you could get the heat out you would still be at the point of using steam to spin a turbine so now you're back to huge equipment that only pays off at large scales.

But sonoluminesence leads to the Farnsworth fusor which is accomplishing something similar electronically which produces electricity directly rather than using heat to spin a turbine. A very rough description is to create a cloud of electrons in the center of a vacuum tube by first emitting them and then switching the polarity of the electrodes before the electron reaches the opposite electrode and continue that switching so that they never reach either electrode but are trapped in the center of the tube, bouncing back and forth between the electrodes. Then inject positive ions which will be attracted to the electron cloud because opposites attract. The ions are trapped in the center of the electron cloud. The ions will repel each other since they are like charges but as more and more are trapped the density of the ions grows and at some point they start colliding and fusing. Using boron ions the byproducts of the fusion are helium, x-rays, and a carbon isotope that decays into three types of alpha ray emissions. One of the alpha emissions is of sufficient energy to generate electricity when it impinges on a conducting plate in the device which leads out the electricity. The helium is exhausted, the x-rays are shielded, and the non-producing alpha rays are absorbed by a thin foil in the device.

That's a very short description. Here are a couple of links. The first is somewhat long winded but does clarify the theory quite a bit. People are working on it but have not yet reached over unity. It can, however, be built relatively cheaply and it can scale up or down to the point where it could power a single residence.

A Table Top Fusion Reactor

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYlgyEyWg1g
www.google.com/#q=inertial+electrostatic+confinement+fusion&revid=1738982489
Note in the videos the same bluish light as shown in the sonoluminesence. In essence it does the same thing as sonoluminesence but with electrostatic field confinement rather than water.

Following up on the water based fusion, here is a link to a company doing development work on the same idea but using cavitation which to a degree is the same as sonoluminesence but forms the bubble on a surface rather than in the center of the water.
Fusion.html

Matt Watts

Re: Water Impact Technology for plasma production, not just steam.
« Reply #6, on April 8th, 2014, 12:17 PM »Last edited on April 8th, 2014, 12:19 PM
Quote from thx1138v2 on April 8th, 2014, 06:54 AM
Following up on the water based fusion, here is a link to a company doing development work on the same idea but using cavitation which to a degree is the same as sonoluminesence but forms the bubble on a surface rather than in the center of the water.
Fusion.html
See:  http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=1329.0

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