Mr. Tesla's Missing Papers

Matt Watts


Gunther Rattay

Re: Mr. Tesla's Missing Papers
« Reply #1, on February 19th, 2014, 11:17 PM »
great documentation.

THX

thx1138v2

Re: Mr. Tesla's Missing Papers
« Reply #2, on March 22nd, 2014, 07:51 AM »
To understand the "suppression" of some of Tesla's technologies their development must be taken in historical context and at global scale.

Tesla's transmission system was developed to transmit around the entire planet in the early 1900's. War was pretty much a constant in the world at that time. There was always a war going on somewhere on the planet. The telegraph played an important part in the United States Civil War and it became clear that electrical communication of information was one of the keys to waging war. Communication has always been and will always be one of the keys to successfully waging war whether it be offensive or defensive. Look at the technologies used today.

In one of his articles around that time Tesla made the statement that he could transmit information that could be "as private as a thought" meaning it could not be intercepted. That would be a very bad circumstance for any military. Intercepting communications and especially interception without detection is one of the fundamental functions of any military organization. If I remember correctly, WW I was on the horizon when he made that statement and it would have undoubtingly concerned military organizations. There's no doubt in my mind that if he had been located in any other country in the world they also would have suppressed that information. Good or bad, that is the way of the world then and now.

This was also tied to the transmission of power and if you think about the global scale of that, it has enormous geopolitical implications. Tesla said he could power the world with a few transmitters. On one hand that sounds good to us but on the other hand, geopolitically speaking,  what government in the world would want to be beholden to another for their power and be subject to having their power turned off for political reasons? Though scientificaly possible it ignores human nature.

The small number of power stations needed presented another problem if destroying one power station could destroy the power supply and communications of a whole country. Imagine today's world being totally dependent on 8, 10, or 12 transmitters. What if the 09/11/2001 attacks had not targeted The World Trade Center but the Tesla power transmitters that powered North America.

One has to also realise, in historical context, that Tesla was from Serbia and had offered some of his technology for sale to Russia, Germany, and a few other nations. So while he was working toward peaceful ends by attempting to make war impossible, or at least not profitable, the world he lived in was having none of it.

When he died WW II was raging and the nuclear bombs were already under development but not yet used. Of course, they would confiscate his papers. What government wouldn't if he had offered his "death ray" to foreign countries?

To understand Tesla, more than anything else, you have to understand the times he lived in. Sadly, things haven't changed much.

The 1970's movie "The Man Who Fell to Earth" was an interesting take on Tesla's life. It's not about his life, per se, but he is said to be the basis of the story.

Tesla lived in the second industrial revolution when men were conquering the globe with technology. The same problems are present today. And the way to defeat those problems is to make small individual units, be they one man, a family, or a neighborhood, autonomous with their own power supply and the ability to provide for themselves their means of survival.

My moniker is related to that idea. THX 1138 was the movie George Lucas made just before he made his first Star Wars movie. It's dated now but still relevant.

I'm not at all sure Tesla's work can be scaled down to that level. He was always interested in providing industrial scale power and communications to the world. IMO, what we need today is small scale autonomy. While large scale integration has its benefits it also has its drawbacks and unintended consequences, the vulnerability of the interlinked power grid for example.

Lynx

Re: Mr. Tesla's Missing Papers
« Reply #3, on March 22nd, 2014, 07:56 AM »
Thanks for sharing Thx, most interesting :thumbsup:

Matt Watts

Re: Mr. Tesla's Missing Papers
« Reply #4, on March 22nd, 2014, 08:09 AM »
The whole game is based on interdependency, so that no individual can break free and have a means to be self-sufficient.  I do think small power plants can be built for home use.  We are on the cusp of having it.  The problem is going to be implementing it.  At best, the relatively few people that live out in the sticks with the abilities to fabricate their own unit might be able to take advantage of it, but only for a short time.  The thugs with guns and badges will ensure this trend does not spread.  After all, it's their job to protect the corporations and the system at large, not the individuals.

Bottom line, the system needs to be dismantled by those that do not benefit from it, which is the majority of us, though most do not know it.  I think it will be quite a long time before the numbers are there to make that a reality.  Even so, if people begin to realize what is possible, that seed may take hold some day.  In the meantime...


It's back to work.

Lynx

Re: Mr. Tesla's Missing Papers
« Reply #5, on March 22nd, 2014, 08:15 AM »
To take it to the extremes then, when it's found, we all better get a copy of it and see to it to make it go viral, ALL over the Internet, on all and any platforms there may be.
They can't really kill all of us, they would have to start the next hot war for that, then who would be left to buy their products?

thx1138v2

Re: Mr. Tesla's Missing Papers
« Reply #6, on March 22nd, 2014, 01:10 PM »
Quote from Matt Watts on March 22nd, 2014, 08:09 AM
The whole game is based on interdependency, so that no individual can break free and have a means to be self-sufficient.
That really depends on just how free you want to be. There are lots of places in the world where you can be totaly independent. But you will be just that - so free you don't have any of the benefits of that interdependence like power, medicine, transporation, etc. At that point you are spending 80% of your time just trying to eat. The trick, IMO, is to strike a balance.
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I do think small power plants can be built for home use.  We are on the cusp of having it.
That's why I'm here and other place on the net.
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The problem is going to be implementing it.  At best, the relatively few people that live out in the sticks with the abilities to fabricate their own unit might be able to take advantage of it, but only for a short time.
I don't think that's true. A few people in the sticks do it. A few of their visiting friends see and say, "I want one of those." and it spreads from there to suburbs, etc. The major problem is people don't see it as a profit center. They want to sell it other people and become rich. That drags the interdepence back into it. I see it as $300 more in my pocket every month for an up-front investment. That takes us to the next major stumbling block. For those that want it but don't know how to do it, who are they going to call when it breaks down?
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The thugs with guns and badges will ensure this trend does not spread.  After all, it's their job to protect the corporations and the system at large, not the individuals.
That's partially true and then it's time to move to "the sticks" as you call it. The only benefit derived by killing someone, however, is to destroy any knowledge they may not have shared. To stay alive one only needs to fully disclose the entire method. Then there is no benefit to that person being killed. Trying to hide information that is only known by one person or a handfull of people is what gets them killed. IMO, the internet has enabled the world wide publishing of information to the extent that it can't be contained and this is the first chance in history of doing so. Well, for as long as the internet remains realtively unmolested anyway.
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Bottom line, the system needs to be dismantled...
I don't think so. There will always be those who don't want freedom, who want to be dependent. That's OK with me. I'm not about forcing freedom, and the burden thereof, on anyone.
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I think it will be quite a long time before the numbers are there to make that a reality.
Probably forever. That doesn't mean, however, that I can't free. That's their choice but the point is for it to grow it has to grow willingly. Don't try to save the world. Save your little corner and if others want to follow, then help them.

So back to work for me too - researching, building, testing, etc.
Re: Mr. Tesla's Missing Papers
« Reply #7, on March 22nd, 2014, 01:15 PM »
Quote from Lynx on March 22nd, 2014, 08:15 AM
To take it to the extremes then, when it's found, we all better get a copy of it and see to it to make it go viral, ALL over the Internet, on all and any platforms there may be.
They can't really kill all of us, they would have to start the next hot war for that, then who would be left to buy their products?
They're not worried about starting hot wars. They do what they deem necessary. But you have it right about publishing world wide. It's when you try to hols back some key element that makes it work so that you can get a patent or make some kind of profit that you put yourself in danger because if you're killed the knowledge disappers. Never, ever put yourself in that position. It's called "the indespensible man" and as soon as you become one you are in exceptional danger.

Lynx

Re: Mr. Tesla's Missing Papers
« Reply #8, on March 22nd, 2014, 01:41 PM »
Quote from thx1138v2 on March 22nd, 2014, 01:15 PM
They're not worried about starting hot wars. They do what they deem necessary. But you have it right about publishing world wide. It's when you try to hols back some key element that makes it work so that you can get a patent or make some kind of profit that you put yourself in danger because if you're killed the knowledge disappers. Never, ever put yourself in that position. It's called "the indespensible man" and as soon as you become one you are in exceptional danger.
That's the very dilemma, that's what it all boils down to, to be the first to give it away for absolutely free, with no strings attached whatsoever.
Greed is indeed a powerful thing, I think it goes back to the days when we were still living in caves struggling for our survival and for the survival for our families.
If we can make a handsome profit out of this, such as that we wouldn't ever have to work for a living again and that we could provide for all our family members without the risk of ever losing our livelihood, then a couple of hundred million dollars sounds about right, there's no denying that.

It's quite the dilemma actually.
And there's no shortage of money to buy you off, non whatsoever.

Ris

Re: Mr. Tesla's Missing Papers
« Reply #9, on March 23rd, 2014, 07:13 AM »
One of his parents was a Serbian origin(I do not know exactly who the mother or father)
Tesla was not a Serb,Tesla was born in Croatia and he was Croatian.
I know the exact location of Tesla documents,patents and some devices.
If someone is willing to finance action We can steal everything.

Matt Watts

Re: Mr. Tesla's Missing Papers
« Reply #10, on March 23rd, 2014, 05:39 PM »
Ris, are you talking about hiring mercenaries for this task?

thx1138v2

Re: Mr. Tesla's Missing Papers
« Reply #11, on March 23rd, 2014, 09:08 PM »
Quote from Ris on March 23rd, 2014, 07:13 AM
One of his parents was a Serbian origin(I do not know exactly who the mother or father)
Tesla was not a Serb,Tesla was born in Croatia and he was Croatian.
I know the exact location of Tesla documents,patents and some devices.
If someone is willing to finance action We can steal everything.
Would that be in the Tesla museum in Belgrade? Let me know when you are planning your raid and I'll reschedule my trip there.

IMO, no, the ends do not justify the means.

Ris

Re: Mr. Tesla's Missing Papers
« Reply #12, on March 24th, 2014, 09:05 AM »
I just need a good and agile team,I live nearby and know the language and even dialect.The only problem is money.

thx1138v2

Re: Mr. Tesla's Missing Papers
« Reply #13, on March 25th, 2014, 05:54 PM »
I hear there are some Princes in Nigeria rolling in it, if money is all you need. They may even have an agile team.