This is gonna make you laugh because its so simple its ridiculous. I've always said to my good friend who I have spent years talking about this subject with, that if I ever drop on something then its going out into the big bad world right away and I'm gonna keep that promise.
Recently I've been going through schematics of Tesla and Meyer and I've been pondering this schematic of Meyer:

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...and to be honest its been bugging me for months what the Unipolar magnetic field coupling is on that schematic. Now I went and got the Canadian patent and was still a little baffled by it all so I started to wonder about influencing flux paths in magnetic cores and who had experience in that field and it turned out a fellow by the name of Charles Flynn had patented several devices. Mainly, increases in voltage and co-efficiency were his game and it turned out that he used magnets to influence, cut off and re-route magnetic flux paths in transformers.
Obviously Bi-toroid transformers try to achieve the same goal but instead of using magnets they work by a combination of increasing and decreasing the resistive path of magnetic flux in favour of over unity but with limitations.
I have mentioned that I felt Meyer's work and Bi-Toroids have something in common in previous posts BTW and I have been working on that.
So......here's the money shot, I got it in my head that Meyer was using magnets to influence his VIC and that his Unipolar magnetic field coupling was none other than a straight forward run of the mill bar magnet.
I built a fully operational HHO front end about six months ago and had recently blown a NEC555 timer chip and two days since I replaced the chip with a new one. My front end device allows me to use any frequency from 0-20Khz using the NEC555 and then gate it with another PWM at anywhere between 0-13.8 vdc, which is connected to an optocoupler/transister configuration, that allows me up to 5 amps load without stressing the PWM's.
So I strapped a bog standard step up transformer to my front end and a 12-18vdc heavy duty relay out the back of the transformer. I think the transformer is 1:4 in voltage but I wasn't sure so i kept the output pulses out of my front end wide apart and kept the output voltage of the transformer less than 18 vdc.
Got a magnet and did what Flynn did.
Holy crap! Thats all I can say. All I kept saying to myself was no no no no no no no no no no no it can't be that simple. But it is.
No voltage increase but the amps more than halved as soon as I stuck it next to the iron core of the transformer. If you put it the other way so the poles are reversed on the magnet my power supply started buzzing, the amps doubled and the relay slowed down as if the EMF increased. There is no other explanation, the magnet only allows flux to travel in one direction depending on the way you place it on the core.
You have to be careful because you can saturate the core so don't use massive magnets, start off with little ones till you reach probably 80% of the saturation point.
Now, here's the important bit for all you Meyer fans: If you are using resonant coils then the Q factor is gonna be in orbit, the efficiency of this set up in resonant coils is going to go bananas without any shadow of a doubt.
Anyway, did a search on You-tube and i'm not the first to suss this out, obviously Flynn did it but a young man demonstrates it quite well here:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8asKJNYJIY

Now if I can do what i did just messing about, imagine what you can do with magnets tuned to your transformer more efficiently? Imagine what the efficiency of resonant coils is going to be and the Q factor?

Message to Stan Meyer God bless his soul:  Unipolar magnetic field coupling? Thats the best description I've ever heard for a bar magnet, you crafty old devil.
Crack on members, crack on.........the cats out the bag.

Quote from nav on January 6th, 2014, 03:30 PM

This is gonna make you laugh because its so simple its ridiculous. I've always said to my good friend who I have spent years talking about this subject with, that if I ever drop on something then its going out into the big bad world right away and I'm gonna keep that promise.
Recently I've been going through schematics of Tesla and Meyer and I've been pondering this schematic of Meyer:



...and to be honest its been bugging me for months what the Unipolar magnetic field coupling is on that schematic. Now I went and got the Canadian patent and was still a little baffled by it all so I started to wonder about influencing flux paths in magnetic cores and who had experience in that field and it turned out a fellow by the name of Charles Flynn had patented several devices. Mainly, increases in voltage and co-efficiency were his game and it turned out that he used magnets to influence, cut off and re-route magnetic flux paths in transformers.
Obviously Bi-toroid transformers try to achieve the same goal but instead of using magnets they work by a combination of increasing and decreasing the resistive path of magnetic flux in favour of over unity but with limitations.
I have mentioned that I felt Meyer's work and Bi-Toroids have something in common in previous posts BTW and I have been working on that.
So......here's the money shot, I got it in my head that Meyer was using magnets to influence his VIC and that his Unipolar magnetic field coupling was none other than a straight forward run of the mill bar magnet.
I built a fully operational HHO front end about six months ago and had recently blown a NEC555 timer chip and two days since I replaced the chip with a new one. My front end device allows me to use any frequency from 0-20Khz using the NEC555 and then gate it with another PWM at anywhere between 0-13.8 vdc, which is connected to an optocoupler/transister configuration, that allows me up to 5 amps load without stressing the PWM's.
So I strapped a bog standard step up transformer to my front end and a 12-18vdc heavy duty relay out the back of the transformer. I think the transformer is 1:4 in voltage but I wasn't sure so i kept the output pulses out of my front end wide apart and kept the output voltage of the transformer less than 18 vdc.
Got a magnet and did what Flynn did.
Holy crap! Thats all I can say. All I kept saying to myself was no no no no no no no no no no no it can't be that simple. But it is.
No voltage increase but the amps more than halved as soon as I stuck it next to the iron core of the transformer. If you put it the other way so the poles are reversed on the magnet my power supply started buzzing, the amps doubled and the relay slowed down as if the EMF increased. There is no other explanation, the magnet only allows flux to travel in one direction depending on the way you place it on the core.
You have to be careful because you can saturate the core so don't use massive magnets, start off with little ones till you reach probably 80% of the saturation point.
Now, here's the important bit for all you Meyer fans: If you are using resonant coils then the Q factor is gonna be in orbit, the efficiency of this set up in resonant coils is going to go bananas without any shadow of a doubt.
Anyway, did a search on You-tube and i'm not the first to suss this out, obviously Flynn did it but a young man demonstrates it quite well here:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8asKJNYJIY

Now if I can do what i did just messing about, imagine what you can do with magnets tuned to your transformer more efficiently? Imagine what the efficiency of resonant coils is going to be and the Q factor?

Message to Stan Meyer God bless his soul:  Unipolar magnetic field coupling? Thats the best description I've ever heard for a bar magnet, you crafty old devil.
Crack on members, crack on.........the cats out the bag.

Interesting the video is pretty cool...
im wondering if it works on the inductors also?
gona have to try it out...

thanks

ABOUT DANG TIME !!!

So you have cracked this nut finally.  Nice deductive reasoning there nav.

I'll stick this thread and may the builders be blessed with its essence.

Way to go!

How would this work?
How simple would it be to test it out?
The links in the video seem to fight over if it is real or not.

That Youtube demonstration is quite an eyeopener. I`m definitely going to do some experimenting with this on my rig. I got 2 big ole 1 lb. choke cores just sitting there at times producing a lot of residue magnetism. My biggest concern was that they would interfere with something. Maybe I been thinking the wrong way.

I thought the cat had been out of the bag? Those are interesting effects but not the cat your looking for per say... Here is your answer.....THE VIC in all the drawings is not what you think but with a little deductive reasoning as my good friend said....THE VIC IS THE EPG. that is why no one has it working. Myer said it clearly in his video talk on the epg that when connected to the WFC theres nothing you cant do the tech is only limited to the imagination to put it to work.
1.Stan patent electricle particle genarator was patent in canada in 1982....all fuel cell patent and improvments came after. Everyone should be building the EPG it is the key to everything. but im no expert but this is what I think so until im proven wrong with an experiment i beleave i am right. So go get er done
Peace and Love to all my brothers and sisters and good journey

For All Mankind

also i beleave the other vic were planted there to trow you off by the ?

Awesome discovery Nav, be proud. It's like ketchup slowly flowing out of a bottle, anticipation,      an     tici     pa    a    a   a    a   a   tion  is making me wait :P:P for the rest of the story, your future discoveries, yes.:cool::D:P

Interesting to say the least!   I need more time in the lab to try this... oh wait I need a lab.. ahhhhhh!

The garage lab is a bit cold at 20 degrees F below Zero.  

Quote from firepinto on January 6th, 2014, 08:02 PM

Interesting to say the least!   I need more time in the lab to try this... oh wait I need a lab.. ahhhhhh!

The garage lab is a bit cold at 20 degrees F below Zero.

It's 28 degrees F above  here :P:P

Just an observation but doesnt it look like "Ed"  leedskalnin "PMH"  

The only mayor differnce is that the magnetic flux keeper is replaced with induced wave flux from the coil.

and the coils are replaced with permanet magnets.

Quote from Heuristicobfuscation on January 7th, 2014, 06:31 AM

Just an observation but doesnt it look like "Ed"  leedskalnin "PMH"  

The only mayor differnce is that the magnetic flux keeper is replaced with induced wave flux from the coil.

and the coils are replaced with permanet magnets.

It looks to me not only did the amps drop by 50% there was also quite an increase in speed and probably torq.

I've been looking at the implications of what this means to anyone building Bi-Toroid transformers and it is going to be good.
Not only do you cut the back EMF path off between the primary and the secondary it could also cut the back EMF between the the secondary and the 2nd secondary if you place another permanent magnet on that frame too which I'm not sure if it would be good or bad thing. People would have to experiment with that.
Lawrence Tseung, who worked on these type of transformers and with a standard Iron core transformer he achieved 50% more output power than the input power.
Thane Heins with his version of Bi-Toroid is claiming 2300% which is 23 times more power at the output than the input. If we transfer any of this technology either magnetic transformers or Bi-Toroid transformers to Meyer's Vic, then the resonant coils are going to have a field day with it.

 

Quote from Breakzeitgeist on January 6th, 2014, 07:54 PM

I thought the cat had been out of the bag? Those are interesting effects but not the cat your looking for per say... Here is your answer.....THE VIC in all the drawings is not what you think but with a little deductive reasoning as my good friend said....THE VIC IS THE EPG. that is why no one has it working. Myer said it clearly in his video talk on the epg that when connected to the WFC theres nothing you cant do the tech is only limited to the imagination to put it to work.
1.Stan patent electricle particle genarator was patent in canada in 1982....all fuel cell patent and improvments came after. Everyone should be building the EPG it is the key to everything. but im no expert but this is what I think so until im proven wrong with an experiment i beleave i am right. So go get er done
Peace and Love to all my brothers and sisters and good journey

For All Mankind

also i beleave the other vic were planted there to trow you off by the ?

Patent was 1986 and available here in the Canadian patents section:-
http://www.waterfuelcell.org/documents.htm
Read the patent very carefully. Meyer is claiming that he can influence the path of magnetic flux between a primary and secondary coil and that the primary has less turns than the secondary as in a conventional transformer per Se.
He claims in his 16 part patent that the flux field can be accelerated in one direction and that coils in the transformer can be made to except and reject flux paths because of their magnetic properties.
The Achilles heal of the VIC in past experiments by thousands of Meyer followers has always been the same problem. Regardless of whether you believe the plates are insulated on the WFC or not, the resonant charging chokes and the tank circuit they create always have a return path back to the primary and induce current from your power supply. In the case of uninsulated capacitor plates it produces nothing more than a one directional brute force current path across the cell. In the case of insulated plates in the WFC and the electric field created in such a process, there is still a return current path back to the primary and people cannot create the high voltage field in Meyer's other patents which is needed to pull the water molecule apart.
It's been tried too many times and failed and it was obvious to me as well as others that something was missing.
Here's an ace up the sleeve for all you Meyer followers, the path back to the primary whether you choose to apply brute force and use the plates as electrodes or whether you choose to use resonant coils in conjunction with a capacitor in the WFC with insulated plate surfaces, the ball has now appeared right in your court because we now have a way of cutting off the back EMF into the primary and the current loop is now finally closed.
This is why this discovery is so important and people must embrace this and pay attention to it. We cannot afford to keep making the same mistakes over and over again.
Thane Heins has patents and video's all over You tube explaining how to create Bi-Toroids that are 2300% efficient and explains how they are made and also explains how they work by influencing flux paths and shutting down the back EMF.
If you combine his knowledge and copy it onto Meyer's VIC then you have a ball game on your hands, you can also use Meyer's VIC with his tuned resonant chokes and in-cooperate the magnet system of Charles Flynn into to it with similar results.
Stan Meyer tried to hide the fact he was influencing flux paths by creating a sneaky Canadian patent called a Electrical particle generator and it took quite a while to suss out what he did. Why did he do it? Because you cannot patent a simple magnet.
 

Nav, you've inspired me enough to have me wanting to perform simple magnet/transformer experiments.
Thank you

Quote from Lynx on January 8th, 2014, 10:39 AM

Nav, you've inspired me enough to have me wanting to perform simple magnet/transformer experiments.
Thank you

There is more to come but I think that I'm going to have to get it out there right away without too much experimentation and take a risk because they may shut your website down.
So when part two comes I urge people to copy all the info they can right away, got to do this sooner than later believe me. When part two comes please members copy and paste it to as many websites as you can. Lets get it out before they can doing anything about it.
Working on part two now, it's so ridiculously simple you're gonna be laughing all the way to another bank. Be back later.

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NAV YOU DID IT !!

It is hitting the Hydrogen Community Forums around the world
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WELL DONE!!

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nav,how to put magnet on vic core?or that is a magnet core?

thanks
geenee

Stan Meyer tried to hide the fact he was influencing flux paths by creating a sneaky Canadian patent called a Electrical particle generator and it took quite a while to suss out what he did. Why did he do it? Because you cannot patent a simple magnet.


He explains very well in patent how to make the device and its not even sneaky.....or am i not getting what you saying. also  i only know of 2 people who have replicateed the EPG about to be 3 and im sure there are more but have not shown results and or tests if there is please point me in the direction of them or a vid cause I have not seen it. I know thains work and its awesome but all I am saying is I think think the vic in all the patents is the EPG and its 1982 for canada patent aplication #420909 but good luck im rooting far anyone working on this but soon we will see who makes it to the finesh line first., EPG is VIC

Nav thanks for your work and efforts on the vic and I must say that Stan was not doing such things...he uses resonance of the lc circuit to restrict amps,not magnets. i have built a bytoroid trafo,and test it on the wfc long time ago.The theory works but as you say,only to a point and here is why:in a bitt you deflect the flux path to the secoundarys created by the primary reactive curent.when you conect a biger load than the reactive curent can handle, the voltage will drop and you get no work from your load,so in order to keep up the voltage you must input more curent in the primary to increase the reactive curent\flux,so in the end you are making brute force electrolisys.So you can light a few leds with it but thats all...

Quote from adys15 on January 9th, 2014, 05:02 AM

Nav thanks for your work and efforts on the vic and I must say that Stan was not doing such things...he uses resonance of the lc circuit to restrict amps,not magnets. i have built a bytoroid trafo,and test it on the wfc long time ago.The theory works but as you say,only to a point and here is why:in a bitt you deflect the flux path to the secoundarys created by the primary reactive curent.when you conect a biger load than the reactive curent can handle, the voltage will drop and you get no work from your load,so in order to keep up the voltage you must input more curent in the primary to increase the reactive curent\flux,so in the end you are making brute force electrolisys.So you can light a few leds with it but thats all...

If you want to believe that adys15 then I suggest you crack on and end up on the stock pile of other failed Meyer experiments.
Stan's schematic has been copied thousands of times and guess what? It doesn't work as a tank circuit, it cannot produce the affect that Meyer claims and it draws current in ALL cases.
The reason it fails is because there is a closed loop between the PWM and the secondary and it is impossible even with clever use of diodes to stop the current draw from the primary. The only way is to look at Tesla's system and try and in-cooperate that design into a Meyer design but we have a different set of components and the principles of Tesla MUST be worked out and placed in Meyer's system which uses different parts.
Bi-Toroids are a way of achieving this but they will be NO WHERE NEAR as effective as a pair of electromagnets tuned to just below saturation point and kept there by a phase lock loop system.
But it you want to carry on with the old stuff and theories then be my guest.

Nav,keep calm...i am aware of what you said about stans vic ...etc..i just told you what he claims not that i replicated his claims or im stuck to that,no i know the wfc acts as a low impedance load...like stan said,its a dead short,needing more curent to sustain the voltage across it.All i was saing was that the bitt draws no curent from primary but you still have the voltage drop....

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NAV YOU DID IT !!

It is hitting the Hydrogen Community Forums around the world
as we speak!!

WELL DONE!!

D

LOL, I didn't do anything other than look at the work of Tesla, Meyer, Charles Flynn and Thane Heins, I knew Meyer's system had Tesla principles but used different components and I knew Meyer's VIC had a relationship to Heins Bi-Toroid or at least in principality. Flynn's patents tipped me over the edge and I knew right there and then.
But the driving force has always been the genius of Nicola Tesla who showed us over a 100 years ago how to do it but was destroyed by the greed of a few bad men.
Tesla showed us that if we stimulate a potential with an isolated primary then there is a sea of energy from which to tap into. Meyer is only copying Tesla.

hey brother we all family here on earth and trying to help one another. I understand tesla system and the standing wave...go check out my youtube its amazing what cold electricity can do or dielectricity. Im buildinghelp tesla set up too just trying everything i can to get answers. but we have to build and help each other and try and work as one. Your idea is cool but as we all know things dont always work out here llike they do in our heads. lets not argue please lets get this done build it and they will come. teamwork and no ego...
peace to you bro

Quote from Breakzeitgeist on January 9th, 2014, 02:00 PM

hey brother we all family here on earth and trying to help one another. I understand tesla system and the standing wave...go check out my youtube its amazing what cold electricity can do or dielectricity. Im buildinghelp tesla set up too just trying everything i can to get answers. but we have to build and help each other and try and work as one. Your idea is cool but as we all know things dont always work out here llike they do in our heads. lets not argue please lets get this done build it and they will come. teamwork and no ego...
peace to you bro

Right on!

Now what I really need you to do is open a thread in the project section and describe in detail your setup as best you can.  This is hugely important.  Every builder around the world should have this as a basis.  I'm totally serious.  Lay it all out there, pictures, schematic, parts list, the works.

A cold electricity generator system that can be replicated will take us in the right direction, because for the first time we can start with something known to work instead of guessing how to do it.  Once we all have it, then maybe some sharp mind can leverage to where we need it.

ok its so simple it will blow your mind I will explain and draw schmatic and all details and post a vid i dont have time to write or type it up but I will show you in the vid everything I know but im a busy trying to keep my saw sharp and get this done. I will start a thread but on irondmax site just come over and get it we all work really good together there and can someone tell me why russ never tested his epg or showed some kind of test with the argon and iron particles and hho ect...he explained it well like he sounded like he had a great plan then nothing?> why Russ....thats all i want to know.....anyways im going to make video now so it will be up soonoh and most important guys leave all egos at the door we are all One and we share the same ship and its sinking and we need all everything you got and then a little extra but together we all can do anything cause all things are possable