So far it looks like there were several different generations of the buggy:

Generation 1, 1984
This generation was (I believe) only capable of idling the buggy. It consisted of the demo tube cell with the alternator and electric motor turning the alternator. The electric motor was plugged directly into the house mains.
-Reference News Release # 1, Grove City Record
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Generation 2, 1985
This generation was used to show to the military and was shown on Channel 6 News from Columbus Ohio.
This generation was used for the first buggy road test and produced enough gas to run the dune buggy up to 55mph. It used a different WFC placed in a large container with a manual valve to control the engine speed.
This generation used the redline inverter, the ac motor and the alternator as well as a large box containing electronics controls (Likely a modified 8XA circuit as one can see a variac mounted on the box)
-Reference News Release # 2 and Channel 6 Columbus News Report
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Generation 3, 1988
This generation used a WFC that was housed inside the water tank (and outside at times) as well as the hydrogen gas injectors and the Hydrogen Gas Management System (GMS). During this time many new components were introduced such as: the Gas Processor, The Laser Distributor, The Laser Accelerator, The electrostatic water filter, The differential solenoids, The exhaust regulator, and a new VIC which did not use the autotransformer and alternator.
-Reference It runs on water documentary, Tech Brief Memo 422, Wo patent Control and Driver Circuits
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Generation 4, 1992
This generation used the Water Fuel Injectors. Also the GMS unit was replaced with the Water Fuel Management System. The VIC was replaced with the Injector VIC (1 per injector).
-Reference Stan Meyer 1992 interview, Tech Brief Memo 423 & 425
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If you have any more information on any of these generations please post what the info is and on what generation.
Hope this helps us all to learn more about Stan's tech:)

Nice write-up HMS.  Thank you.

Question:  Somewhere in that timeline, I understand Stan tried to hook up with the racing community at Indianapolis.  Do you happen to know if that was true and if so, did he bring a Buggy there to display for some of them?  Any guess what the date associated with that event might have been or what turned them off to Stan's idea?

In the WFC News Releases Stan states that the Indy 500 project would cost 1.5-5 million dollars. So I think funding was probably the issue. He also stated in News Release 6 that the project was put on the back burner because the priority was to obtain international patents first.

There are several instances where announcements were made but were never followed through. In another news release they state the car is getting ready for a cross country trip, but it never happened. And then there was the corvette conversion to break the land speed record that also never happened.

The more I learn the more I think all Stan did was prove the basic concepts. Then he used his findings to make claims about what was possible, not what he had actually achieved. That's where people seem to get mixed up.

Attached is the Indy 500 proposal papers. Enjoy
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Here are some less important but notable changes in the dune buggy it's self:


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Generation 1.5(?)

EPG housing in place of the future red fuel tank.  A curved top cell in place of the future VIC control box.  Brake lights are mounted under the frame pipe.  Possible head lights mounted under mirrors by the "doors".  


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Generation 2

There are 2 roll bars on the "roof", just as in an original Berrien Buggy sand rail frame still available today.  These are also visible in the Generation 1.5(?) photo above.  


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Generation 2.5(?)

The 2 roll bars have been replaced by a single unbent roll bar down the middle.  On the front, the buggy still has the original Berrien sand rail bumper and headlights.  The hood has been modified by cutting it and installing a piano hinge.  This allowed the hood to be opened while the GMS unit was installed in the windshield.  The headlights under the mirrors are removed.  A "Solar" and a #24 sticker is attached to the sides.  The red fuel tank is installed, but appears to be in factory original condition, used for gasoline.  GMS box is installed but seems like the rest of the system has not yet been installed.  

Generation 3

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Brake lights are mounted above the frame pipe.  GMS, VIC, and WFC pre-engineering phase boxes are installed.

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Front bumper is replaced with a square low profile bumper.  Headlights are replaced with rectangle bumper mounted versions.  

Generation 4

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This photo could be probably considered Generation 5 in my opinion, because it is from the estate sale.  Parts have been removed.  You can see the aluminum mounting plates where the 4 injector VIC coils would be mounted.  The red fuel tank has been modified to fit the components for the water injector system.  The tow-bar has been mounted to the back roll bars.  GMS box has been removed from the windshield.

That is just a few of the small things I've noticed through the transitions of each phase of the buggy.


Nate

Thanks HMS, appreciate it I compiled a nice little essay containing HMS and Nate's findings.
Thanks guys, muchly appreciated.

Thanks Nate, some good findings there. I think you may be right about there being 5 generations.



Hopefully we will get more people posting here about things they notice and it will help us all.

Thanks Lynx!

Quote from HMS-776 on January 3rd, 2014, 07:04 PM

So far it looks like there were several different generations of the buggy:

Generation 1, 1984
This generation was (I believe) only capable of idling the buggy. It consisted of the demo tube cell with the alternator and electric motor turning the alternator. The electric motor was plugged directly into the house mains.
-Reference News Release # 1, Grove City Record


Generation 2, 1985
This generation was used to show to the military and was shown on Channel 6 News from Columbus Ohio.
This generation was used for the first buggy road test and produced enough gas to run the dune buggy up to 55mph. It used a different WFC placed in a large container with a manual valve to control the engine speed.
This generation used the redline inverter, the ac motor and the alternator as well as a large box containing electronics controls (Likely a modified 8XA circuit as one can see a variac mounted on the box)
-Reference News Release # 2 and Channel 6 Columbus News Report


Generation 3, 1988
This generation used a WFC that was housed inside the water tank (and outside at times) as well as the hydrogen gas injectors and the Hydrogen Gas Management System (GMS). During this time many new components were introduced such as: the Gas Processor, The Laser Distributor, The Laser Accelerator, The electrostatic water filter, The differential solenoids, The exhaust regulator, and a new VIC which did not use the autotransformer and alternator.
-Reference It runs on water documentary, Tech Brief Memo 422, Wo patent Control and Driver Circuits


Generation 4, 1992
This generation used the Water Fuel Injectors. Also the GMS unit was replaced with the Water Fuel Management System. The VIC was replaced with the Injector VIC (1 per injector).
-Reference Stan Meyer 1992 interview, Tech Brief Memo 423 & 425


If you have any more information on any of these generations please post what the info is and on what generation.
Hope this helps us all to learn more about Stan's tech:)

good compilation! this is kind of stuff that can help streamline our eforts thanks.

I never quite understood the differnce between the "gas gun" and the "gas processor".
aparently he hid the "gas gun" in the water tank acording to 3rd generation?
Please see attachments ...

I see two different systems in these memos..

#1 "Water fuel Gas Injector System" [Water fuel project 422da]

#2  "Water Fuel Injector System"  [Water fuel project 423da]


#1 on the  Gas injector system he creates the Gas externally of the combustion engine, in the picture we can actually see the Resonant Cavity fuel cell.

#2 On the Water fuel Injector System there is no "Resonant cavity fuel cell".  so those injectors must be different from first injectors? in the  sense that they perform the work of the resonant cavity fuel cell.

Quote from firepinto on January 4th, 2014, 01:29 AM

Generation 2

There are 2 roll bars on the "roof", just as in an original Berrien Buggy sand rail frame still available today.  These are also visible in the Generation 1.5(?) photo above.  

Nate

That looks like a blue electric motor.....runing an alternator...

I never noticed this before is that an electric motor runing an alternator in this picture?

In the "#2 "Water Fuel Injector System" [Water fuel project 423da]" photo, the water injectors / spark plugs are the resonant cavities in that system.  One resonant cavity per engine cylinder.  3D models for these water fuel injectors have been created by BAM5 and are on this forum:

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=552



Also the original Stanley Meyer estate drawings are in this thread:

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=536&

This is an interesting thread you started HMS-776. I am going with the exciter array design (resonant cavity) as that is something I can easily put into motion.

One thing everyone has to remember is this technology was new and even Stanley Meyer was having problems getting it working like he wanted too. All I can say is approach this technology knowing that there are problems that need to be solved and you will stand a good chance of getting something working correctly. In the video I gave away the science behind the patents for free: /watch?v=RWhQusfWuac
Once you take in what was said in the video to your experiments the whole direction of your experiments takes a sharp turn away from Dr. Faraday's style of water splitting.

This waveform is an A/C waveform designed for a soft ionization of the atoms that make up the water molecules:

It shows a potential difference being applied to the atoms while in the a liquid state making up the water molecules. Basically it treats the atoms as if they were in a gaseous state like found in our air. One the electrons go into excitation the molecules break down as we are use to seeing O2 molecules break down but never give it much thought as once outside of the electrical field the monatomic oxygen atoms quickly find an oxygen molecule to stabilize itself with making ozone. This process takes place many times faster than the blink of an eye so it was assumed by the observers of old to be taking place inside of the electrical field which is not the case.
We see this type of ionization or electron excitation breakdown of molecules into their component elements all the time but the science that talks about this is assumed to be correct from the observers of the past that have built great names for themselves and thus no one ever challenges them. Just take a closer look at photosynthesis and you will see that the primary means being used to break the bonds of the water molecules by plants is by way of electron excitation. There are no large current driven systems there and the water is free of salts for the most part as if you place too much salt around a tree it will die but you have to ask yourselves why? These are some of the questions I have ask myself and answered over the many years I have been working on this technology. Some of you might even have a few other examples of molecules being broken down by way of electron excitation that I haven't thought of yet.
Now ask yourselves all the ways we know how to excite the electrons of an atom and try and see if you can combine some of these methods to work together to accomplish the same goal just as a plant does for it too uses more than one form of energy to excite the electrons so that it can sustain life and give us life in the process.
I will be the first to tell you I don't have all the answers but I have solved quite a few of them. The main thing we must all do is ask and answer questions in the best known manner we know how to do this which is the scientific method. All the scientific method is is a way to ask and answer questions effectively nothing more.

In the many ways Meyer gave a try to run his dune buggy on water all was done to try and better the process and make it more efficient and to solve problems the current designs were having as he progressed the technology over time. We can all start someplace but we must do so taking good notes of what we do and observing things the best we can asking and answering questions the whole time through. If you don't have an oscilloscope then get one if you don't have some high voltage probes then get some. The circuit I am employing as done one thing Meyer was planning on doing in the future and that is taking the circuits down in size and making them more accurate in their pulsing operations. Anyone of you can get this circuit now and the cost isn't so bad for us money strapped folks. But you are free to use whatever you want to use to accomplish your goals of making use of water as a source of fuel.

Take care everyone and I hope this post was helpful in some small way,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions

On the second generation how did you know that he was using a "redline inverter".
Also what is redline is that a model or make?

Ed,

Great insight!

I never thought of looking at photosynthesis. Very informative post!
That is exactly what we need on these forums.


Heuristicobfuscation,

Someone over at ionizationx found out the inverter used was a redline inverter.

oh and the secret generation one is here

with epg


All the best


Dan

Quote from securesupplies on January 14th, 2014, 10:19 PM

oh and the secret generation one is here

with epg


All the best


Dan

ok.. that's crazy!

Incredible. Multiple "EPG's" tied somehow to the dune buggy.. that's priceless...
just when I think im about to understand the timing of all this.
there has got to be lots more of those "rare" pictures out there some where.

this just got deep and deeper...

Thanks to all those who have posted on this topic.

Now that we understand the major differences between different systems I have a question for you all:

What generations of the buggy have documented information that they ran on water?

As far as I know, the first generation only idled the buggy.
The second generation was able to run the buggy up to 55mph.

Then there was the generation which used the 3 inch tubes insulated with delrin plastic. As far as I know there is no documented information that this generation (or the generation which used the water fuel injectors) ever ran on water.  If anyone has any info that these systems ran please let me know.

Excellent question HMS, here's hoping to see which setup(s) ran the buggy.

There is a evidence of generation 4:

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=1386&pid=17782#pid17782

Quote from Amsy on January 21st, 2014, 03:53 AM

There is a evidence of generation 4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXctY1K4wko

Skip to 15:10 for the injectors, how he turns them on one by one.

Quote from Lynx on January 21st, 2014, 06:23 AM

Quote from Amsy on January 21st, 2014, 03:53 AM

There is a evidence of generation 4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXctY1K4wko

Skip to 15:10 for the injectors, how he turns them on one by one.

At 13:35 they have the scope sitting on an unmodified red gasoline fuel tank.  I think this test was running on gasoline, but testing the timing of the generation 3 laser distributor electronics prior to installing the fancy VIC card cage.

I agree with you. I think they tested the systems using gasoline as a starting point. The control circuits even have switches for gas use if I remember correctly.

Quote from HMS-776 on January 3rd, 2014, 09:49 PM

In the WFC News Releases Stan states that the Indy 500 project would cost 1.5-5 million dollars. So I think funding was probably the issue. He also stated in News Release 6 that the project was put on the back burner because the priority was to obtain international patents first.

There are several instances where announcements were made but were never followed through. In another news release they state the car is getting ready for a cross country trip, but it never happened. And then there was the corvette conversion to break the land speed record that also never happened.

The more I learn the more I think all Stan did was prove the basic concepts. Then he used his findings to make claims about what was possible, not what he had actually achieved. That's where people seem to get mixed up.

Attached is the Indy 500 proposal papers. Enjoy
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Just Noticed this book was 7 Pages it would be great to have the full pdf is it out there some where already??

I hope if you have it or know what it is called please post here as pdf

For the Indy Car 500     7 page book  Stanley Meyer