A lot of designs are in 2d and real world thing are not 2d. It almost seems like Some might get use to being stuck on 2d thinking than being use to 3d. Also a lot of things are denied a full representation when put in 2d.

If you have 2 gears which you have to position is so that it rotates two times faster. One gear is twice the size as the other.  a 2d would be 2 gears next to each other Oo, a 3d gear would be one gear on top of the other, a 3d position would be both touching at 90 degrees.

Even with pipes if you put 2 90 degree joints on each other you can position it to go to any angle. The first angel would point from 2d towards 3d, and the second one would point from the other angle's 3d and towards any direction 2d.

So what solution would work in 3D for this. If you feel it is not possible then say so.
What if you take 5 of those cheap burning lasers that burn a matchs and combine it to be 5 times more powerful and be used like a regular burning laser at any distance instantly?

Some might be stuck in 2d thinking for this which won't work, but will it work in 3d?

Quote from wsx on December 31st, 2013, 03:08 PM

A lot of designs are in 2d and real world thing are not 2d. It almost seems like Some might get use to being stuck on 2d thinking than being use to 3d. Also a lot of things are denied a full representation when put in 2d.

If you have 2 gears which you have to position is so that it rotates two times faster. One gear is twice the size as the other.  a 2d would be 2 gears next to each other Oo, a 3d gear would be one gear on top of the other, a 3d position would be both touching at 90 degrees.

Even with pipes if you put 2 90 degree joints on each other you can position it to go to any angle. The first angel would point from 2d towards 3d, and the second one would point from the other angle's 3d and towards any direction 2d.

So what solution would work in 3D for this. If you feel it is not possible then say so.
What if you take 5 of those cheap burning lasers that burn a matchs and combine it to be 5 times more powerful and be used like a regular burning laser at any distance instantly?

Some might be stuck in 2d thinking for this which won't work, but will it work in 3d?

What????

Since you could not get the over explained explanation. LOL
In short how can you merge 5 burning lasers, into a single beam with 5X power burning laser?

Quote from wsx on January 1st, 2014, 06:58 PM

Since you could not get the over explained explanation. LOL
In short how can you merge 5 burning lasers, into a single beam with 5X power burning laser?

You cant.

You cannot add beam energy. What you can do is cross the beams in to alignment to 5 times the beam density. Which is basically what you want anyway.

You need to google search about optics. Different optics (cant think of the name atm) will allow you to take two beams and cross them.

The only problem is the reflectivity of the optics wont allow for full transmission, so your not going to get 5x the laser power, but you will increase the power.

There is one way however, in which im not discussing any more because

A. People have a hard time understanding so its frustrating. Most people here like to overcomplicate their explanations and questions to try and sound like an smart when in reality it makes it difficult for me and others to understand. (not saying you)
B. Im using it on an invention right now so lets just wait.

If you point 2 beans towards each other it will not negate each other like a sound wave or water wave.

or let me put it this way then first.
what if you take 5 flashlights, and make them without dismantling them into a single beam with 5X power?

Quote from wsx on January 1st, 2014, 09:57 PM

If you point 2 beans towards each other it will not negate each other like a sound wave or water wave.

or let me put it this way then first.
what if you take 5 flashlights, and make them without dismantling them into a single beam with 5X power?

Im pretty sure if you point two beans, then you will get a burrito or chilli :)

If you point two beams, the beams wont interact in anyway. In the center point where the beams cross, will be the photon density of those two beams.

So if you put 5 beams all shooting down the same path, you will get 5x the beam density. or 5x the output power.

You are still thinking in 2D

Ok to explain it even simpler lets say bullets are the beam of light... how do you make 2 guns positioned level at 90 degrees towards each other. How do you make both gun's bullets travel the same direction after a while?

If you still say you cant then again you are not thinking in 3D I feel.
I am still waiting for someone else to give a shot at it.

Quote from wsx on January 2nd, 2014, 07:29 PM

You are still thinking in 2D

Ok to explain it even simpler lets say bullets are the beam of light... how do you make 2 guns positioned level at 90 degrees towards each other. How do you make both gun's bullets travel the same direction after a while?

If you still say you cant then again you are not thinking in 3D I feel.
I am still waiting for someone else to give a shot at it.

Your not explaining it well enough which is why no one is answering.

Two guns at 90 degrees, relative to what?

Explain in simple terms what the end goal your trying to do. Btw, I am a game programmer, I think in only 3D.

TIME to get back on track LOL attached is a picture. I was trying to be vague as much as possible as I sometimes am in some posts.
I was thinking of a deflector to merge the projectile up. The bean did not change its one axis path, but I assume it can change its other axis path and then put back to the original axis as shown on the image. The code I assume would adjust no matter what direction from 180 degree be fixed. Each has to hit the exact same spot on the cone.


SIDE NOTE on your comment.
A programmer o boy. And I game designed a few games which I did not like how programmers do not listen LOL
So many programmer which went power hungry and just crap all over the time and effort.
One programmer from France programmed a strategy board game like chess but completely different in mechanics. I was mostly pleased with but it was on a dead end system GP32 about 8 years ago around. The programmer needed visuals to explain how each piece worked which I dropped off the info and he completed the task well. That game I like and wanted to port it to other systems but companies wanted too much so I said F it. I might try again maybe in another few years to bring it out for the fun of it.

Another from Norway to help them get funded $130,000 by a game contest for a 3d game and the programmer just blows all the money away without having a sense of priorities. side note, contests are usually made by companies to steal ideas as many clauses state. The game was done but not in the way it should have been. Which was the last time I did designing since no on a team is willing to talk it out or back of their points even if wrong or right. Everyone wanted to be a designer and took over which I said F it. I warned them why the game sucks and then when they entered it into another contest and got the same comments I told them on why the game sucks. Lost to popular game "the world of goo" that year. That game was marketed anyway but I did not want to be involved despite being credited for it. Last time I saw the game was on a Russian game hack site offering it up for free which was I assume not allowed, but I did not care anymore. LOL

After that programmers asked for an arm and a leg and I said adios to it all. The game industry to me is pointless and I tried to make meaningful games but most seem to want the quick pointless buck to make a game that won't last the text of time, wont sell, and to waste people's time and their time. So many bad games I am just sick of it all. Too many things people are addicted in life to and pointless games should not be one of them... but that's my opinion, since I feel people should have fun while benefiting than leave empty handed in the long run. A hard core gamer can play play many games in the year but can not show anything for it most of the time, but its fine to "waste" (throw away) time which people can never get back the time they lost and many spend million to try and capture the time they lost. Again my opinion and I know most will disagree.
LOL
Sorry for the rant but those are a few gripes with programmers and games. LOL I don't have the patience anymore for code and forget what little I knew. LOL

Quote from wsx on January 2nd, 2014, 10:51 PM

TIME to get back on track LOL attached is a picture. I was trying to be vague as much as possible as I sometimes am in some posts.
I was thinking of a deflector to merge the projectile up. The bean did not change its one axis path, but I assume it can change its other axis path and then put back to the original axis as shown on the image. The code I assume would adjust no matter what direction from 180 degree be fixed. Each has to hit the exact same spot on the cone.


SIDE NOTE on your comment.
A programmer o boy. And I game designed a few games which I did not like how programmers do not listen LOL
So many programmer which went power hungry and just crap all over the time and effort.
One programmer from France programmed a strategy board game like chess but completely different in mechanics. I was mostly pleased with but it was on a dead end system GP32 about 8 years ago around. The programmer needed visuals to explain how each piece worked which I dropped off the info and he completed the task well. That game I like and wanted to port it to other systems but companies wanted too much so I said F it. I might try again maybe in another few years to bring it out for the fun of it.

Another from Norway to help them get funded $130,000 by a game contest for a 3d game and the programmer just blows all the money away without having a sense of priorities. side note, contests are usually made by companies to steal ideas as many clauses state. The game was done but not in the way it should have been. Which was the last time I did designing since no on a team is willing to talk it out or back of their points even if wrong or right. Everyone wanted to be a designer and took over which I said F it. I warned them why the game sucks and then when they entered it into another contest and got the same comments I told them on why the game sucks. Lost to popular game "the world of goo" that year. That game was marketed anyway but I did not want to be involved despite being credited for it. Last time I saw the game was on a Russian game hack site offering it up for free which was I assume not allowed, but I did not care anymore. LOL

After that programmers asked for an arm and a leg and I said adios to it all. The game industry to me is pointless and I tried to make meaningful games but most seem to want the quick pointless buck to make a game that won't last the text of time, wont sell, and to waste people's time and their time. So many bad games I am just sick of it all. Too many things people are addicted in life to and pointless games should not be one of them... but that's my opinion, since I feel people should have fun while benefiting than leave empty handed in the long run. A hard core gamer can play play many games in the year but can not show anything for it most of the time, but its fine to "waste" (throw away) time which people can never get back the time they lost and many spend million to try and capture the time they lost. Again my opinion and I know most will disagree.
LOL
Sorry for the rant but those are a few gripes with programmers and games. LOL I don't have the patience anymore for code and forget what little I knew. LOL

Seem to have bad experiences like all of us. It happens. I wouldn't discredit programming however. Ive been in the field for almost nine years already and can tell you it turns down to a few things. Love making games, love playing games, and stop worrying about the money. Money will come from making an awesome game you love.

To say the game industry is pointless is quite harsh. Their are many great qualities about the game industry. Don't forget, its entertainment, that's all. Better than sitting their watching TV dying of retarded TV brain syndrome.

Back on topic:

I see what your saying about the lasers. You want two laser beams to come in at an angle and reflect in to just one laser path.

Good luck with that, I don't see it happening. Not off of the top of my head really. Many many many many many people have tried to combine two laser beams at close to 100% before. None have got it working as far as I know.

If the end reason is to combine to lasers in to one, like I said, I have a method that im working on.

I never worried about the money but other have. One featured xbox live game company offered to make my strategy game but wanted 50% ownersip and I did not like their work ethics.
Check out this article called "Why Do People Play Games" I kind o agree with is and if feels most games lost its meaning.  http://web.archive.org/web/20080207055124/http://www.vancouver.wsu.edu/fac/peabody/game-book/Chapter2.html  Odd the original link took me to amazon... So I had to give you wen archive version of it. hmmm does that happen to you too?

In ancient Greece leisure time use to mean free time to learn, but now its free time to waste. People can have fun if it is meaningful but creativity is lacking and people do not seem to try and merge both or at least try. Everyone out for the quick buck or quick effort. Life is short and not enough time to learn it all and when people are distracted too much they only hurt themselves, since they need to work more to pay for things that they could have done easily if they knew how to. We are all guilty of laziness. LOL

Being good at something comes from a lot of practice and all top athletes practice over 10000 hours. When so many play games they are good at what after wasting their 10000 hours for games they can not use in the real world? They may have fun at the moment but wont have as much fun later unlike the professional that practiced with real world skills. Imagine if Tesla was a gamer he would be like I am not in the mood to figure out AC power LOL. How many people that spend 10000 of hours on game, movies, shows, etc could have used that time to help better themselves and in turn society to be better.
But my opinion on the best game I would say is "star control 2" and "symphony of the night". A good that I think would sells well would a  mixture of star control 2/bomberman/MMORPG/ mixed with education LOL. When I mean start control 2 i mean the melee mode, and if you have not tried it then download it. It is on the Android (and someone remade it on the pc) despite it is a 20 year old game.

Yes BACK TO TOPIC lol
True, but many inventors always ask if it can be done instead if it should be done, which many times it should not be done. But anything is possible if enough time to think about it. It all comes down down to math, just like a pool table how you have so many balls and they eventually some balls end up in the same hole. I do not want to know your method or even do it. The point of it topic was about thinking in 3D... LOL despite the game talk LOL

I was also thinking of a 1/2 exposed cone to narrowly deflect the beams parallel. Too bad no physics games to test it all out. LOL

Also since I talked about pool that is a game, BUT that is more than a game. Check out Donald Duck in Math land. How playing pool conditions people to think mathematically indirectly which helps people in the real world to a degree. A game like pool lasts the text of time unlike top selling video games like the GTA3 that go big in one year and rarely people play due to the next. The Disney video even talks about the game Chess which also conditions the brain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=tsBJqFeJstg#t=27

Well I hope it helped.

Quote from wsx on January 3rd, 2014, 11:15 AM

I never worried about the money but other have. One featured xbox live game company offered to make my strategy game but wanted 50% ownersip and I did not like their work ethics.
Check out this article called "Why Do People Play Games" I kind o agree with is and if feels most games lost its meaning.  http://web.archive.org/web/20080207055124/http://www.vancouver.wsu.edu/fac/peabody/game-book/Chapter2.html  Odd the original link took me to amazon... So I had to give you wen archive version of it. hmmm does that happen to you too?

In ancient Greece leisure time use to mean free time to learn, but now its free time to waste. People can have fun if it is meaningful but creativity is lacking and people do not seem to try and merge both or at least try. Everyone out for the quick buck or quick effort. Life is short and not enough time to learn it all and when people are distracted too much they only hurt themselves, since they need to work more to pay for things that they could have done easily if they knew how to. We are all guilty of laziness. LOL

Being good at something comes from a lot of practice and all top athletes practice over 10000 hours. When so many play games they are good at what after wasting their 10000 hours for games they can not use in the real world? They may have fun at the moment but wont have as much fun later unlike the professional that practiced with real world skills. Imagine if Tesla was a gamer he would be like I am not in the mood to figure out AC power LOL. How many people that spend 10000 of hours on game, movies, shows, etc could have used that time to help better themselves and in turn society to be better.
But my opinion on the best game I would say is "star control 2" and "symphony of the night". A good that I think would sells well would a  mixture of star control 2/bomberman/MMORPG/ mixed with education LOL. When I mean start control 2 i mean the melee mode, and if you have not tried it then download it. It is on the Android (and someone remade it on the pc) despite it is a 20 year old game.

Yes BACK TO TOPIC lol
True, but many inventors always ask if it can be done instead if it should be done, which many times it should not be done. But anything is possible if enough time to think about it. It all comes down down to math, just like a pool table how you have so many balls and they eventually some balls end up in the same hole. I do not want to know your method or even do it. The point of it topic was about thinking in 3D... LOL despite the game talk LOL

I was also thinking of a 1/2 exposed cone to narrowly deflect the beams parallel. Too bad no physics games to test it all out. LOL

Also since I talked about pool that is a game, BUT that is more than a game. Check out Donald Duck in Math land. How playing pool conditions people to think mathematically indirectly which helps people in the real world to a degree. A game like pool lasts the text of time unlike top selling video games like the GTA3 that go big in one year and rarely people play due to the next. The Disney video even talks about the game Chess which also conditions the brain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=tsBJqFeJstg#t=27

Well I hope it helped.

If your the kind of person (not you directly) that knows how to makes games and wants to make money (EA, CoD, BF), then your doing it for the wrong reasons.

Their are game studios out their that do it for the ultimate reason of love making games. its like making movies, creating experiences etc.

So if your dedicated, goto school, find a job that your passionate about in the game industry, then its excellent. If your one of those that sits on the computer to try and make a game to sell, its pathetic.

I too also believe that us as people need to stop spending every day at work. Their are many ways to make enough money to sustain without working 5 days a week or more. We are wasting our lives away.

On topic:

Yea I understand the idea is to think in 3d and anything is possible with the knowledge and creativity.

Off the top of my head I cannot picture it working, but with a combination of optics and designs, you may find something to work.

I agree with you and i explained it all. I did mean to say programmers are bad but that many that I have met are too arrogant which hurts them in the end, which I am not saying you are.  I hope you do well and your design last the test of time. :)

If I wanted to do a million things that does not mean I should learn a million things. LOL Many construction general contractors know a few things but do not know enough to do a single job.Even Steve Jobs understood that to do a million things while hiring the people that know how to do one thing while he did not know anything which is the funny thing. Two Steve Wozniak would not help make an Apple pc despite Wozniak is smarter than Jobs.

As for 3d and game you can try Cuebox 3 dimensional Pool. strange but interesting, http://www.appspy.com/news/7955/you-heard-it-here-first-folks-cuebox-is-3-dimensional-pool

Anyway I see too many 2D designs when people try to make devices. But many were impressed with this years pulse motor build off which was a 3D design coil. Which I can not find now to show it but I assume you know what it is when Russ showed the firepinto's design as the winner.

Quote from wsx on January 4th, 2014, 11:40 AM

I agree with you and i explained it all. I did mean to say programmers are bad but that many that I have met are too arrogant which hurts them in the end, which I am not saying you are.  I hope you do well and your design last the test of time. :)

If I wanted to do a million things that does not mean I should learn a million things. LOL Many construction general contractors know a few things but do not know enough to do a single job.Even Steve Jobs understood that to do a million things while hiring the people that know how to do one thing while he did not know anything which is the funny thing. Two Steve Wozniak would not help make an Apple pc despite Wozniak is smarter than Jobs.

As for 3d and game you can try Cuebox 3 dimensional Pool. strange but interesting, http://www.appspy.com/news/7955/you-heard-it-here-first-folks-cuebox-is-3-dimensional-pool

Anyway I see too many 2D designs when people try to make devices. But many were impressed with this years pulse motor build off which was a 3D design coil. Which I can not find now to show it but I assume you know what it is when Russ showed the firepinto's design as the winner.

I don't get involved in the pulse motor build off. Not sure what the point of them is, its an old way of thinking if you ask me.

Odd way of thinking? LOL
One cant discover if one takes the same path but one must take a new path to discover new things.
Odd not good as to normal? Normal meaning the norm to do what most do which does not  mean the right thing to do. Inventions did not come out from being too ordinary and content like most. Well everyone see it as they see fit to do as they do, and they find everyone else as odd, so what you say is "normal". :)

Quote from wsx on January 4th, 2014, 01:42 PM

Odd way of thinking? LOL
One cant discover if one takes the same path but one must take a new path to discover new things.
Odd not good as to normal? Normal meaning the norm to do what most do which does not  mean the right thing to do. Inventions did not come out from being too ordinary and content like most. Well everyone see it as they see fit to do as they do, and they find everyone else as odd, so what you say is "normal". :)

I never said they were odd I said old, nor normal, so none of that made sense.

What I was meaning, is that it seams people want to figure out a new design for a pulse motor instead of something different in a pulse motor.

Old way of thinking in that people take the same concept and design it to their imagination. Where as to get a pulse motor to be of any use, people need to think of a new concept/method of a pulse motor.

I mean really the conventional way isn't going to lead to anything, so they need to figure out a new approach to the concept.

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on January 4th, 2014, 11:08 PM

Old way of thinking in that people take the same concept and design it to their imagination. Where as to get a pulse motor to be of any use, people need to think of a new concept/method of a pulse motor.

You did see Russ' pulse motor I hope.  Nothing conventional about that little spherical magnet spinning at over 500,000 RPM.

To your point, what can we do with it since it's something we never had before.

Quote from Matt Watts on January 5th, 2014, 12:39 AM

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on January 4th, 2014, 11:08 PM

Old way of thinking in that people take the same concept and design it to their imagination. Where as to get a pulse motor to be of any use, people need to think of a new concept/method of a pulse motor.

You did see Russ' pulse motor I hope.  Nothing conventional about that little spherical magnet spinning at over 500,000 RPM.

To your point, what can we do with it since it's something we never had before.

Good point, I don't keep up with it, so I was just going on the stuff I had seen before.

Can you link me to that?

500,000rpm by Russ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3t2390k5R8

Sometimes you have to start at the end of the maze to figure it all out.
Another method is to use different color lasers to make a single beam. Different colors bend differently it seems.
Another is have a dome like a satellite dish have have them all concentrate at the exact center and the center reflects it off, or a  
But in the end it all ends up coming down to the math and angles.

Can't find a good physics program to test it out but one site has this which is basic but interesting how it shows all the reflections when dealing with a glass.
http://phet.colorado.edu/en/simulation/bending-light

Notice how if you make it hit the edge of a class ball in the physics program the light makes a ring inside the ball. If you make a lot of laswers do do that then wouldn't the ring be intense? And if you can magically turn on and off the ball at a certain point at a certain frequency then you would have multiple combined beams hitting shooting out as pulses. Kind of like a joule thief. Maybe to do that you would need to semi circles attached going up and down on each other at a certain frequency to to get the pulses.

Laser cutting relies on a void underneath the workpiece to clear the waste, so 3D won't work. Get a Rep-Rap.

BTW I ran a lasercutting business for 9 years, so not exactly an original idea for me.