Has anyone thought of using Heated water when creating HHO Gas, It seems to me that heated water would have weaker bonds, so hho production may be more effecient ? The water would also be more active.

Quote from jhoefling on October 24th, 2011, 08:04 AM

Has anyone thought of using Heated water when creating HHO Gas, It seems to me that heated water would have weaker bonds, so hho production may be more effecient ? The water would also be more active.

I remember a guy down in Australia was having good luck with heating the water with an exhaust heat exchanger on his generators.   He also bubbled air through his cells.

Nate

Quote from firepinto on October 24th, 2011, 08:09 AM

Quote from jhoefling on October 24th, 2011, 08:04 AM

Has anyone thought of using Heated water when creating HHO Gas, It seems to me that heated water would have weaker bonds, so hho production may be more effecient ? The water would also be more active.

I remember a guy down in Australia was having good luck with heating the water with an exhaust heat exchanger on his generators.   He also bubbled air through his cells.

Nate

that's Peter lowrie. There's a PDF out there in internet land, Google - Peter lowrie egas.

Cool, it just seems like there would be an abundance of heat when dealing with engines, so why not use the energy that would be lost otherwise.

Justin

http://waterpoweredcar.com/pdf.files/egas-calculations.pdf

Quote from phil on October 24th, 2011, 01:54 PM

http://waterpoweredcar.com/pdf.files/egas-calculations.pdf

very interesting Phil. Thanks!

Hi all
I found this website the other day and I thought it was interesting. This guy boils water to create hydrogen to run his car. The website includes a video and a downloadable patent.
http://www.hydroplazmaenergo.com/index.html

Quote from 55powerwagon on December 1st, 2011, 04:16 PM

Hi all
I found this website the other day and I thought it was interesting. This guy boils water to create hydrogen to run his car. The website includes a video and a downloadable patent.
http://www.hydroplazmaenergo.com/index.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOS3jpcv2V4&feature=player_embedded
Wow, is this for real??

In his other video he is storing hydroxy in a tank :$

Ive printed off the patents to have a read of later.

From what i saw in the first video it looks like a square GEET.

I dont like to sound like a skeptic but i didnt see that shut-off valve on the gas line go all the way to 90 degrees off position.

Quote from phil on December 2nd, 2011, 01:19 PM

I dont like to sound like a skeptic but i didnt see that shut-off valve on the gas line go all the way to 90 degrees off position.

That was my impression too.  Seemed like he was trying hard to find a sweet spot.

Quote from firepinto on December 2nd, 2011, 07:20 PM

Quote from phil on December 2nd, 2011, 01:19 PM

I dont like to sound like a skeptic but i didnt see that shut-off valve on the gas line go all the way to 90 degrees off position.

That was my impression too.  Seemed like he was trying hard to find a sweet spot.

Ive had a chance to read the patent, it reminds me of a guy from the phillipines i think who wound a spiral coil around the exhaust to superheat the water before electrolysis.

Maybe its not a pure hydrogen system and maybe it is, the only way is for someone to have a go at it and see. It would seem from reading the website that the guy is open to questions?

Found this anyway.     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-temperature_electrolysis

From wikipaedia:
High temperature electrolysis is more efficient economically than traditional room-temperature electrolysis because some of the energy is supplied as heat, which is cheaper than electricity, and because the electrolysis reaction is more efficient at higher temperatures. In fact, at 2500°C, electrical input is unnecessary because water breaks down to hydrogen and oxygen through thermolysis. Such temperatures are impractical; proposed HTE systems operate between 100°C and 850°C.[1][2]

The efficiency improvement of high-temperature electrolysis is best appreciated by assuming the electricity used comes from a heat engine, and then considering the amount of heat energy necessary to produce one kg hydrogen (141.86 megajoules), both in the HTE process itself and also in producing the electricity used. At 100°C, 350 megajoules of thermal energy are required (41% efficient). At 850°C, 225 megajoules are required (64% efficient).

Wasnt too clear on his liquid nitrogen cooling system, hows he running that??
At least if hes separating H and O and just sending the H to the engine it eliminates the oxygen sensor problems associated with boosting.

Quote from jhoefling on October 24th, 2011, 08:04 AM

Has anyone thought of using Heated water when creating HHO Gas, It seems to me that heated water would have weaker bonds, so hho production may be more effecient ? The water would also be more active.

scot cramton of laesa  reccomends higher water temps , see comments  in hhoiseparator discussions

Quote from epgsetsusfree on December 17th, 2011, 03:09 PM

Quote from jhoefling on October 24th, 2011, 08:04 AM

Has anyone thought of using Heated water when creating HHO Gas, It seems to me that heated water would have weaker bonds, so hho production may be more effecient ? The water would also be more active.

scot cramton of laesa  reccomends higher water temps , see comments  in hhoiseparator discussions

Do you have a link for these discussions?

Quote from jhoefling on October 24th, 2011, 08:04 AM

Has anyone thought of using Heated water when creating HHO Gas, It seems to me that heated water would have weaker bonds, so hho production may be more effecient ? The water would also be more active.

I am actually having an issue with too much heat coming from my cell (I will post videos when I have time) But when the heat got closer to boiling the gas production was significantly higher! I think that a steady moderate temp would be the most productive. Tempertures closer to freezing proved to be less productive.

Quote from phil on December 3rd, 2011, 12:04 PM

Quote from firepinto on December 2nd, 2011, 07:20 PM

Quote from phil on December 2nd, 2011, 01:19 PM

I dont like to sound like a skeptic but i didnt see that shut-off valve on the gas line go all the way to 90 degrees off position.

That was my impression too.  Seemed like he was trying hard to find a sweet spot.

Ive had a chance to read the patent, it reminds me of a guy from the phillipines i think who wound a spiral coil around the exhaust to superheat the water before electrolysis.

Maybe its not a pure hydrogen system and maybe it is, the only way is for someone to have a go at it and see. It would seem from reading the website that the guy is open to questions?

Found this anyway.     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-temperature_electrolysis

From wikipaedia:
High temperature electrolysis is more efficient economically than traditional room-temperature electrolysis because some of the energy is supplied as heat, which is cheaper than electricity, and because the electrolysis reaction is more efficient at higher temperatures. In fact, at 2500°C, electrical input is unnecessary because water breaks down to hydrogen and oxygen through thermolysis. Such temperatures are impractical; proposed HTE systems operate between 100°C and 850°C.[1][2]

The efficiency improvement of high-temperature electrolysis is best appreciated by assuming the electricity used comes from a heat engine, and then considering the amount of heat energy necessary to produce one kg hydrogen (141.86 megajoules), both in the HTE process itself and also in producing the electricity used. At 100°C, 350 megajoules of thermal energy are required (41% efficient). At 850°C, 225 megajoules are required (64% efficient).

Wasnt too clear on his liquid nitrogen cooling system, hows he running that??
At least if hes separating H and O and just sending the H to the engine it eliminates the oxygen sensor problems associated with boosting.

Hi all; ) :  Cool find.

I too read his patent. Interesting.

This guy is now 71 years old. I sent him an email and expressed our interest in his work. I invited him to join the Forum. I asked him to come and just introduce himself. Time will tell what and if he would like to respond.

Cheers,

Martin;)

Perhaps he might help us to further his work.

Quote from ABV for today on February 29th, 2012, 02:38 PM

Quote from jhoefling on October 24th, 2011, 08:04 AM

Has anyone thought of using Heated water when creating HHO Gas, It seems to me that heated water would have weaker bonds, so hho production may be more effecient ? The water would also be more active.

I am actually having an issue with too much heat coming from my cell (I will post videos when I have time) But when the heat got closer to boiling the gas production was significantly higher! I think that a steady moderate temp would be the most productive. Tempertures closer to freezing proved to be less productive.

I got a 3m length of 4mm bore 316 stainless tube, was going to make a radiator/heat exchanger with it that was suitable for electrolyte cooling. Just a suggestion.

I have a cell conected to 220v and starts increasing production significantly after a few seconds, and the water goes warm (because consumes a lot of amps)...my though was: ionization of the water or just temperature?
i guess temperature

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjP-3CP3SxU&list=UUvuuCeBWki2cgaIHX9DGctw&index=3&feature=plcp

If heating helps, has anyone tried to make this?
Makes steam from a rotating cylinder with certain size holes bored in it
Water hammer
Wondering if a rotating resonant cavity would help split the h2o.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw

everyone... please dont forget that once the water hits a certion temp... its no longer just HHO... its also water vapor... so more production or more vapor and hho??? i have seen this in my system... it starts to turn in to steam...

be careful that your measuring just the gas production and not the water vapor... :)

good stuff guys! ~Russ

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 6th, 2012, 01:26 AM

everyone... please dont forget that once the water hits a certion temp... its no longer just HHO... its also water vapor... so more production or more vapor and hho??? i have seen this in my system... it starts to turn in to steam...

be careful that your measuring just the gas production and not the water vapor... :)

good stuff guys! ~Russ

I saw experiments in which water helps burn .Only personal experience with my car , is that works best after a rain -because of humidity.
My idea is that you should try with the injection of water into a car catalyst at the front , and pick up steam behind and send it in the engine.
Ican explain further If you vish .
Sorry for bad english !