Let's say it did happen for everyone to have infinite amount of free energy any voltage they want then what?

You cant feed people by sticking wires in their mouth so which you would need it to have an automated farm to be underground with lights working to have an all year harvest. People can have electric cars. But what else?

How many jobs will close?
What kind of new things can it make?
Should everyone have it?

Quote from wsx on October 22nd, 2013, 09:42 PM

Let's say it did happen for everyone to have infinite amount of free energy any voltage they want then what?

That would be a good start.

Quote from wsx on October 22nd, 2013, 09:42 PM

You cant feed people by sticking wires in their mouth so which you would need it to have an automated farm to be underground with lights working to have an all year harvest. People can have electric cars. But what else?

I don't think it's your job or my job to feed people.  I think they need the tools to feed themselves, cloth themselves, shelter themselves, entertain themselves and maybe even spend a little time learning how the universe really works.

Quote from wsx on October 22nd, 2013, 09:42 PM

How many jobs will close?

All of them would be a good start.

Quote from wsx on October 22nd, 2013, 09:42 PM

What kind of new things can it make?

Whatever your imagination can come up with, since now you would have some free time to actually think instead of always work (for someone else).

Quote from wsx on October 22nd, 2013, 09:42 PM

Should everyone have it?

Nope, those that have forcibly taken our energy away from us should go without.  Everyone else, yes, they should have it.

I was looking for key examples of new things how it would benefit.

Also if you say all companies closed then no more car companies, airlines, radio, movies, internet, etc. Basically any job that requires a lot of effort why should anyone do it if they can all do nothing?
In short where is the balance? or should their be one?

I assume society will regress back to small towns with bug guns, or big electromagnetic weapons that can wipe out anything with the capability of free energy device on it. which is one idea.

But something new will always have tough times in adjusting since something new is always hard for people to deal with since so many like the patterns and know what they will do tomorrow or every year.

Another idea is one can have underground gardens with infinite energy to heat the plants up and as much artificial light on them. which is another idea. The problem is where can one get machines to dig, lights, pots, tubes for water, pumps, etc  when no companies make them? It is not easy for a person to make heavy machinery or light bulbs on a massive scale.

Quote from wsx on October 24th, 2013, 03:03 PM

I was looking for key examples of new things how it would benefit.

Also if you say all companies closed then no more car companies, airlines, radio, movies, internet, etc. Basically any job that requires a lot of effort why should anyone do it if they can all do nothing?
In short where is the balance? or should their be one?

Guess you assumed something I didn't say.  People would be free to work together and create whatever their imaginations could come up with.  It just wouldn't have to fall under a corporation with all the negative connotations that implies.

Quote from wsx on October 24th, 2013, 03:03 PM

I assume society will regress back to small towns with bug guns, or big electromagnetic weapons that can wipe out anything with the capability of free energy device on it. which is one idea.

So what kind of defective human would attack another when all have access to an abundant world?

Quote from wsx on October 24th, 2013, 03:03 PM

But something new will always have tough times in adjusting since something new is always hard for people to deal with since so many like the patterns and know what they will do tomorrow or every year.

Another idea is one can have underground gardens with infinite energy to heat the plants up and as much artificial light on them. which is another idea. The problem is where can one get machines to dig, lights, pots, tubes for water, pumps, etc  when no companies make them? It is not easy for a person to make heavy machinery or light bulbs on a massive scale.

Again, you assume it takes large companies to do great things.  I disagree.  In a society based on abundance, all it would take is the desire to move mountains.  Time would no longer be an issue especially if we were able to conceive life extension technology.

Unfortunately it looks like it's going to be a "winner take all" world, so this kind of talk is probably just a waste of breath.  Time will tell.

I am not saying I disagree which I do agree with you.
You say "So what kind of defective human would attack another when all have access to an abundant world?"
Well the rich mentality seem to have a never endless appetite for power and control. People need to know what is right and wrong since going on one saying like "do to others what you want others to do to you" is a good start but not the only way for people to be fair towards each other. Some people get used for sex slaves, others killed for their organs due to gluttonous people can live, and so forth. Most people want to be as bad as the people that oppress them. Giving wolves food does not guarantee they will no eat your live stock, just like giving people free energy will not make them good people.

Well I am not saying large companies are needed but small mom and pop stores are needed. corporations were not in existence for very long and I agree they are not helping matters. The thing is will a local person that knows how to make something want to do anything for anyone if they have everything?

Maybe you are right it could be a waste but better to have an umbrella and it not rain than not have one and it does rain. Since some have stated they made free energy and something happen for them not to release it fully open and clearly explained how to do it, due to anything but can be pressure or even they changed their mind from being persuaded by points as we stated.

If I was evil I would say... LOL
If you invented free energy and were told, Take 5 billion dollars for you and your family, enjoy life, enjoy what you know with the new technology coming out every year, OR ELSE no more companies to make your favorite foods, no more shipments of exotic fruits all year round, no more of your KFC chicken secret recipe that you love, no more of your favorite sport team you love, no more smart phones, no more Hollywood movies or the sequels you want to desperately see, no more of the world as you know it, and you wont be rich and will struggle since the world will be have chaos out of Pandora's Box since no one will need to work for fuel, and wards for control by other countries. You want to be the top .01% of be like the rest starving and disappointing your family that you didn't take the money to sell your idea to us.

you know something like that LOL

But back on topic how about a high power spinning electromagnet around the person to be able to heat up the metals in the body from induction to kill bacteria? .. dont know if that will work.
Space exploration would be much easier.
It will be possible to convent mercury to gold so the currency will go out the window and a barter system would be in place. It has been done it just needs a lot of electricity to do it which is not cost effective.

Quote from wsx on October 24th, 2013, 07:41 PM

I am not saying I disagree which I do agree with you.
You say "So what kind of defective human would attack another when all have access to an abundant world?"
Well the rich mentality seem to have a never endless appetite for power and control. People need to know what is right and wrong since going on one saying like "do to others what you want others to do to you" is a good start but not the only way for people to be fair towards each other. Some people get used for sex slaves, others killed for their organs due to gluttonous people can live, and so forth. Most people want to be as bad as the people that oppress them. Giving wolves food does not guarantee they will no eat your live stock, just like giving people free energy will not make them good people.

This is the real question and has only slightly to do with energy.  If given the opportunity of abundancy for all, would humans (in general) in-fact resort to all sorts of evil and violence?  If that is true, then I would say humans are indeed defective and removing the species from the universe probably would do more good than harm in the grand scheme of things.  I would like to see a more utopian environment for humans to live in which would prove that out.  Surely you have seen the movie Thrive by Foster Gamble.  I'm just not certain we have truly ever been given a chance to be as JFK said, "Free and Independent".

It is quite possible the course we are on was meant to be because of what we really are as a species.  I don't think that is the case, but it is possible.

Quote from wsx on October 24th, 2013, 07:41 PM

Well I am not saying large companies are needed but small mom and pop stores are needed. corporations were not in existence for very long and I agree they are not helping matters. The thing is will a local person that knows how to make something want to do anything for anyone if they have everything?

I would hope so.  Like the Christmas time spirit of giving.  Surely, people would be more open and kind to others and be willing to give some of their abundance to others not so well off.  I could be wrong, because what we are talking about is bringing out the best in humans, something I have only seen small spurts of here and there throughout my lifetime.

Quote from wsx on October 24th, 2013, 07:41 PM

Maybe you are right it could be a waste but better to have an umbrella and it not rain than not have one and it does rain. Since some have stated they made free energy and something happen for them not to release it fully open and clearly explained how to do it, due to anything but can be pressure or even they changed their mind from being persuaded by points as we stated.

As an example, suppose I had brought a working device to GBEM in Boulder a few weeks ago and put it on display with a box full of 1000 USB Flash sticks with every bit of information needed to source the parts and replicate the device.  I made certain everyone there got a flash stick.  By weeks end, it would be nearly impossible for a sweeper team to clean-up that little mishap; the the word on the street would be that we now have free energy, just follow these plans.  With the resourcefulness of many of the folks there, those plans would be scattered worldwide within days.

Quote from wsx on October 24th, 2013, 07:41 PM

If I was evil I would say... LOL

And if I was good but really ticked off, I would say...   DIE you piece of filth!

It's all back to what drives us as human beings.  The jury is out on whether we can get it all together before we either destroy ourselves or the worst of the worst take over everything.

Quote from wsx on October 24th, 2013, 07:41 PM

If you invented free energy and were told, Take 5 billion dollars for you and your family, enjoy life, enjoy what you know with the new technology coming out every year, OR ELSE no more companies to make your favorite foods, no more shipments of exotic fruits all year round, no more of your KFC chicken secret recipe that you love, no more of your favorite sport team you love, no more smart phones, no more Hollywood movies or the sequels you want to desperately see, no more of the world as you know it, and you wont be rich and will struggle since the world will be have chaos out of Pandora's Box since no one will need to work for fuel, and wards for control by other countries. You want to be the top .01% of be like the rest starving and disappointing your family that you didn't take the money to sell your idea to us.

you know something like that LOL

For me, I would probably move so fast I would never get that kind of offer, but supposing I did or suppose my family was threatened.  This is were it gets tricky.  My wife for example doesn't believe in all the conspiracy stuff, not even if I can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.  She likes her little false reality; that's her comfort zone.  She cannot live without her cable TV and her iPad.  ZeroFossilFuel posted a rant on UStream Wednesday having this exact issue.  I can say what will work for me, not everyone else.  There exists the real problem.  A generation that never knew what cable TV was, would not have that problem, only someone that has the memory or background of it would.  So the immediate switch will cause a ton of chaos, but what about those next generations?  They would adapt to the "new normal" and probably be just fine without KFC, Sunday football, etc.

Quote from wsx on October 24th, 2013, 07:41 PM

But back on topic how about a high power spinning electromagnet around the person to be able to heat up the metals in the body from induction to kill bacteria? .. dont know if that will work.
Space exploration would be much easier.

Do some research of Royal Raymond Rife.  I think you'll find he already solved this problem.

I say it is kind of…. a confusing topic. It is not about agree or disagree it’s to think of other consequences in some ways.
As for your question; people are inherently good. The problem is people get sick easily and need to heal themselves which is where the church (hospital) comes into play. Just like when you have fresh cut apples it will get black eventually from the environment. Sin is not about doing bad but about missing the mark, and no one is perfect and everyone misses the mark (sin).

People should better themselves but people become content and like missing the mark. But see what you mean and people are heavily influenced and conditioned to love what they do. Maybe you have a point like this video by “Yuri Bezmenov: Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society“ which people must watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g

We are responsible for our own and every person is responsible for their own self as well. People have to learn to seek the truth out despite it is hard. Some people do hard mothers physically or mentally to lead them to the wrong path. Another thing is that no one is Free and everyone is unknowingly a slave to their passions, debt slaves, slaves to society to be dependant. No one is a mountain man to be independent self reliant. Which I stated some points to this on your other post a few days ago.

To give as you say and do good is not as easy as doing what is bad or missing the mark. If you play music then you were taught to play and give the world your great abilities, but you would need to hone your abilities. If you did not train then you would be hurting my ears. Just like how one is taught to be good at an art form one has to be taught to be a good person since people let bad influences get in the way. Check out this video about the Monks of Mt. Athos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxATVCWNQNw

See how they do not have the same problems as regular people and do not get addicted silly things to transcending things to better themselves mind body and soul. If you want to see the best of humans then that is the only place you will see it which they are better than you (or me) and you probably should be more worried about you hurting yourself than them, which does for everyone. You may disagree but that is the thing with people that everyone feels they are right. Even Hitler was put as time man of the year, given money by big US companies, and his people loved him for him to do what he felt was best. As the saying goes “The road to hell is paved with good intentions”.

Nice plan. I hope that if it is made that it can be mass produced without a big company to supply the specially constructed materials. The first electromagnet took over a month to make by hand which you can do it within seconds with the ready made materials.

As you say your wife likes what society offers and a immediate switch would cause chaos. Many people would be against you if you tell them no more block buster movies like Avengers 2 or Avatar 2, no more NFL for the many sports fans, no more of peoples favorite drink of beer, etc. You may feel you can help many but many will resent you they know what they will loose. Evil only has power when the masses give it power and the masses love what bad they get since they are addicted, fear the consequences, or are not ready.

Speaking of not ready you say to get the Rife Machine, which it is not easy to make and it is not cheap to buy and I am not ready myself if chaos breaks out. Self preservation is a natural instinct and so if all my ducks are not lined up why should I do it if I will get hurt or if my friends and family are not ready for them to be hurt? Yes the next generation will be better off if there is one since the abrupt shock is the problem. Jump into cold water will be back but gradually adjust it will be better, or stop with emergency break going 55mph will cause problems. You mean well to release but you would need to have people ready for it or else. Shouldn’t we save people now than just the next generation or is it too late and that some good people have to get hurt with the bad? Just something to think about. I would need to stock up on Rife machines, glass bottles, informative books and sites, garden, vehicles, lights, etc. Next time you buy a item in a store from a spool of copper wire, vacuum cleaner, book, etc maybe we should have things ready not for us but for everyone? Maybe I am wrong but I try to see the further down the chain reaction since everything will be affected. We should all live the simple farm life but some things will be set back due to human reaction.

Also with Free energy as I edited in the comment before you can also convert elements form mercury to gold and so even the money system will be gone for people to have saved silver or gold in a way. People might resort to bartering. I think it was mentioned on PBS’s show “Hunting the Elements” which is show but I am not 100% sure it was not it how to do it which needed an entire town worth of power to get one ounce of gold converted. http://video.pbs.org/video/2217713569/

All I can say wsx, is use your best judgement and hope we make it through.  It's been a pleasure chatting with you regardless.  With any luck, maybe something will come along to give us the edge we need.  It isn't over until everyone gives up.