About 4 months ago I was building  a 4" d x 4' w x 7' h steel door, I had it laying on a steel table, a work mate was tig welding on something else about 10' away from the door I was working on, I had just started  drilling a hole in the frame of the door when I noticed the drill bit was arcing to the door when I would pull the trigger on the drill.
when I would release the trigger on the drill or he would stop tig welding the arcing would stop.
I told him to stop welding for a minute, then I started drilling again, just to see if the drill was shorting out, it was working fine, no arcing, then I told him to start welding again, I pulled the trigger and guess what, the drill bit was arcing again.
 So right then I thought it to be the Tesla affect. :cool:

Any thoughts?:D

Quote from Jeff Nading on October 4th, 2013, 07:15 PM

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 So right then I thought it to be the Tesla affect. :cool:

Any thoughts?:D

Not sure what was going on.  I suppose the drill and the welder were at different voltage potentials and somehow the welder was flowing current to the door frame.

But the drill wouldn't arc unless you pulled the trigger huh?  That is the goofy part.

I'll bet if you could recreate those exact working conditions again and go around with a meter, you could probably find something that should be neutral that isn't.
I remember many years ago moving an old line printer from my bosses office to another room.  I had to string up a long parallel cable to drive it.  I got the printer set where it needed to go, plugged it in and then grabbed hold of the end of the printer cable to hook it up and it knocked my a$s a good one.  I can only guess the two rooms where running from completely different power circuits that did not have a common neutral.  The boss pulled out his trusty meter and connected it across where I had touched and sure enough, there was 220v sitting there.

After I finally quit shaking, I told the boss you owe me a new computer just like yours.  He said why?  I said, because if I had managed to connect that thing it surely would have smoked your machine.  About three weeks later I had my shiny new 486DX33.  hehe.  He told me I could use it but it was really a spare in case something happened to his machine.

Quote from Matt Watts on October 4th, 2013, 07:49 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on October 4th, 2013, 07:15 PM

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 So right then I thought it to be the Tesla affect. :cool:

Any thoughts?:D

Not sure what was going on.  I suppose the drill and the welder were at different voltage potentials and somehow the welder was flowing current to the door frame.

But the drill wouldn't arc unless you pulled the trigger huh?  That is the goofy part.

I'll bet if you could recreate those exact working conditions again and go around with a meter, you could probably find something that should be neutral that isn't.

I remember many years ago moving an old line printer from my bosses office to another room.  I had to string up a long parallel cable to drive it.  I got the printer set where it needed to go, plugged it in and then grabbed hold of the end of the printer cable to hook it up and it knocked my a$s a good one.  I can only guess the two rooms where running from completely different power circuits that did not have a common neutral.  The boss pulled out his trusty meter and connected it across where I had touched and sure enough, there was 220v sitting there.

After I finally quit shaking, I told the boss you owe me a new computer just like yours.  He said why?  I said, because if I had managed to connect that thing it surely would have smoked your machine.  About three weeks later I had my shiny new 486DX33.  hehe.  He told me I could use it but it was really a spare in case something happened to his machine.

Ya, you more than likely right Matt, I just thought it to be really odd, I had thought that the door frame could have been acting like an antenna. Tig welding does produce a high frequency arc like a Tesla coil.

I got shocked like that once at work too.  We set up our jobs in the shop to test them before they are installed.  They usually have big black 19" racks sitting on pallets next to each other.  Well I wired the power up, and one of the retracting reel cords must of been missing a neutral.  Two of the cabinets had a potential between them .. the powder coating insulated fairly well.  It wasn't until i went to remove a BNC connector that I got zapped.  Of course the company never fixed the power cord, but they force us to sign all this safety stuff and take OSHA 30 classes. :dodgy:

i posted this on the wrong thread.

Hi Hi, hey Jeff i remember

I used to have some old drills when i was a kid. big shinny and silver, and i was always amazed how there seems to be sparks ensuing from the motor as i drilled..

I believe its a simple case. the motor on the drill is still tuning the old brush type triggers, and accumulators. it has its own gap. and simply picked up on the added voltage.because the tig is sparking fast too..but is that the case with your drill also?

you had said you got zaped from a printer. it was a 220 volt. but what do you mean? did you plug it into the wrong outlet?

this is gonna work i know it, because Tesla even showed you how to do it. with the transmitter coil, and the reviser coil. Ill add that patent here when i can.
hertz or was it Marconi? referring to the first movie. its telegraphy. i believe thats the case, teals was using brush type motors. same as your RCA cars with the magnetic pickups. or brushes.:blush::heart::blush:
so u can easily power an alternator with wireless energy.the old type were called generators.and are both motor, or generators.
and wow..:cool:

Quote from freethisone on October 5th, 2013, 01:25 AM

i posted this on the wrong thread.

Hi Hi, hey Jeff i remember

I used to have some old drills when i was a kid. big shinny and silver, and i was always amazed how there seems to be sparks ensuing from the motor as i drilled..

I believe its a simple case. the motor on the drill is still tuning the old brush type triggers, and accumulators. it has its own gap. and simply picked up on the added voltage.because the tig is sparking fast too..but is that the case with your drill also?

you had said you got zaped from a printer. it was a 220 volt. but what do you mean? did you plug it into the wrong outlet?

this is gonna work i know it, because Tesla even showed you how to do it. with the transmitter coil, and the reviser coil. Ill add that patent here when i can.
hertz or was it Marconi? referring to the first movie. its telegraphy. i believe thats the case, teals was using brush type motors. same as your RCA cars with the magnetic pickups. or brushes.:blush::heart::blush:
so u can easily power an alternator with wireless energy.the old type were called generators.and are both motor, or generators.
and wow..:cool:

are we really here to do these experiments or are we sheep being lead to the wolves?

i can tell you this if it is as Maxwell had said, and we are dragged by the chariot. we are gonna have problems. jan 1 2014 starts the  follow up. after 4 years observation.

well,sorry about that let me get. back to Tesla. if indeed he had a build up of pressure ensuing from a sphere of high  potential. that would be what was in oscillation through the ground.

how far can we take this? in my understanding that pressure must have been against the ground. and it likes to carry these wave. transverse i believe they are called? refer to movie one.

now i take a Tesla coil i hang on a thread a needle or a pin.
i add another sphere of large radius. I confirm there is equal potential charge on each sphere. i see that pin swing under electric tensions. its magnetic component travels through dielectric material better then ferrite.

so you have that. how far shall we go for theory? simple experiments should follow..  

ehhe cheers. :D


here are all of the patents.
i link one for the transition of electrical disturbance. sounds like a lightning storm to me. refer to star trek new movie for the impossibility of a lightning storm in space. i simply disagree. it can occur under certain conditions.  But Tesla has  a lightning detector on the other end? i think it is...

he stepped it down and used it how? we will see...
http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-381,970-electrical-distribution?PHPSESSID=i364trg0ea6dlq7im8p5n1d4u3;

http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-382,282-electric-converting-distributing?PHPSESSID=i364trg0ea6dlq7im8p5n1d4u3;


lets find the similarity in these patented, and compare to Tesla coil.. tasked..  tss tsss tiss:P:P:P study time. Tesla refer to these induction motors in patents...notably in those having serial numbers 252,132 and 256,561


tesla "The generator in this system will be adapted to the converter in the manner illustrated. For example, in the present case I employ a pair of ordinary permanent or electromagnets, E E, between which is mounted a cylindrical armature on a shaft, F, and wound with two coils, G G'. The terminals of these coils are connected, respectively, to four insulated contact or collecting-rings, H H H' H', and the four line-circuit wires L connect the brushes K bearing on these rings to the converter in the order shown. Noting the results of this combination, it will be observed that at a given point of time the coil G is in its neutral position and is generating little or no current, while the other coil, G', is in a position where it exerts its maximum effect Assuming coil G to be connected in circuit with coils B B of the converter, and coil G' with coils B' B', it is evident that the poles of the ring A will be determined by coils B' B' alone; but as the armature of the generator revolves, coil G develops more current and coil G' less until G reaches its maximum and G' its neutral position. The obvious result will be to shift the poles of the ring A through one quarter of its periphery. The movement of the coils through the next quarter of a turn, during which coil G' enters a field of opposite polarity and generates a current of opposite direction and increasing strength, while coil G is passing from its maximum to its neutral position, generates a current of decreasing strength and same direction as before, and causes a further shifting of the poles through the second quarter of the ring"

I note the use of collecting rings.and  iron wire yea.. is this reference to a brush type motor? find out  here>>>.notably in those having serial numbers 252,132 and 256,561

observation. his induction coils are a step ahead of Rodin.

reason... who will be the first too wind a secondary on top of a Rodin. like Tesla has?

who will be the first to do it with a pancake, or a star ship or on a 6 foot iron core?
with the bifillar or any number of secondary, or primary windings.

i will tell you what to build. and i hope you will see the beauty of it. It is essentially the lag time, and the ability to add a capacitor in the form of a plate in series, to pass a strong current.  

a kapangie coil is a Tesla coil.

would you like to see

coil one. my idea, but hey here it is.

first a rodin, with its primary of fine wire over the core. next these gaps in the coil itself will be filled in with?
the secondary made of thicker iron wire, and spaced to fill in the void, and to wrap around the primary.

Ill bring you up to speed on the helix coils that are mentioned by tesla when i have time.

you may think wow can i wind the secondary of thicker wire on the primary essentially following marcos work, and in the opposite direction add the secondary.

either way you will need two coils of each to make experiments. one set of fine wire warped on a rodin core or ferrite core, or a iron wire core. or air core.
as the primary, and another set as the secondary first.:D:D:D

this coil also may be wrapped with 2 types of wire for specific affects.

such as iron and copper.

need a 3-D print Russ , with your marvolus machine. you helped me in the past.

im waiting on the sea to cover me..:huh:

Quote from freethisone on October 5th, 2013, 10:51 AM

are we really here to do these experiments or are we sheep being lead to the wolves?

i can tell you this if it is as Maxwell had said, and we are dragged by the chariot. we are gonna have problems. jan 1 2014 starts the  follow up. after 4 years observation.

well,sorry about that let me get. back to Tesla. if indeed he had a build up of pressure ensuing from a sphere of high  potential. that would be what was in oscillation through the ground.

how far can we take this? in my understanding that pressure must have been against the ground. and it likes to carry these wave. transverse i believe they are called? refer to movie one.

now i take a Tesla coil i hang on a thread a needle or a pin.
i add another sphere of large radius. I confirm there is equal potential charge on each sphere. i see that pin swing under electric tensions. its magnetic component travels through dielectric material better then ferrite.

so you have that. how far shall we go for theory? simple experiments should follow.. 

ehhe cheers. :D


here are all of the patents.
i link one for the transition of electrical disturbance. sounds like a lightning storm to me. refer to star trek new movie for the impossibility of a lightning storm in space. i simply disagree. it can occur under certain conditions.  But Tesla has  a lightning detector on the other end? i think it is...

he stepped it down and used it how? we will see...
http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-381,970-electrical-distribution?PHPSESSID=i364trg0ea6dlq7im8p5n1d4u3;

http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-382,282-electric-converting-distributing?PHPSESSID=i364trg0ea6dlq7im8p5n1d4u3;


lets find the similarity in these patented, and compare to Tesla coil.. tasked..  tss tsss tiss:P:P:P study time. Tesla refer to these induction motors in patents...notably in those having serial numbers 252,132 and 256,561


tesla "The generator in this system will be adapted to the converter in the manner illustrated. For example, in the present case I employ a pair of ordinary permanent or electromagnets, E E, between which is mounted a cylindrical armature on a shaft, F, and wound with two coils, G G'. The terminals of these coils are connected, respectively, to four insulated contact or collecting-rings, H H H' H', and the four line-circuit wires L connect the brushes K bearing on these rings to the converter in the order shown. Noting the results of this combination, it will be observed that at a given point of time the coil G is in its neutral position and is generating little or no current, while the other coil, G', is in a position where it exerts its maximum effect Assuming coil G to be connected in circuit with coils B B of the converter, and coil G' with coils B' B', it is evident that the poles of the ring A will be determined by coils B' B' alone; but as the armature of the generator revolves, coil G develops more current and coil G' less until G reaches its maximum and G' its neutral position. The obvious result will be to shift the poles of the ring A through one quarter of its periphery. The movement of the coils through the next quarter of a turn, during which coil G' enters a field of opposite polarity and generates a current of opposite direction and increasing strength, while coil G is passing from its maximum to its neutral position, generates a current of decreasing strength and same direction as before, and causes a further shifting of the poles through the second quarter of the ring"

I note the use of collecting rings.and  iron wire yea.. is this reference to a brush type motor? find out  here>>>.notably in those having serial numbers 252,132 and 256,561

it was interesting to check this thread, the reason is this simple description of electrical energy.

tesla and fire

what are we seeing here? According to Tesla he could make a charge resemble fire.A feeble flame. he had said the more vibration then the faster the gap is discharged,  then it is a disruptive discharge. Or spark gap..

Tesla, and Walter Lewin had said in there own way a discharge may have 10 or more streamers. you cant see them but you can hear them.

 Russ Hello thank you my Friend. I have for you a special opertunity based on your own work. it is a great work the spark gap for epg...


the reason this looks like fire for a short time is because the discharge itself carried with it hundreds of million streamers, alternations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF5EDV6T7es#

you too can make fire with a tesla coil solid state.

If you are using a disruptive spark gap your in for a real treat.. :sleepy: :cool:.

 If Russ will now use his devise with a Tesla coil we will be in the new era of history. goose bumps.... :shy: :shy: :heart: :heart:

listen close,, i had described Russ new epg spark gap devise as awsome it does exactly this...
i am not being or have ever been cryptic. the forum simply ignores the information or will not ask me to make it clearer.

What i had said is it has a very genuine disruptive discharge. I would have to say all on its own it has the potential for billions of alternations, and i mean streamers.

this can replace any Tesla coil current spark gap trigger.  It would be an advancement beyond just a feeble FLAME, Candle. we now have a means to reach a skin effect like Tesla and beyond.  Russ if your willing and able its time for action..


please please, may i have another piece of cake.. :huh: :huh: :P

See "Capacities" by Fritz Lowenstein. The seat of energy of an electrical field is in the space outside of the charged body.
Capacities
capacitor = space around the steel table that the door was on and the steel door

Excerpts from "On Light and Other High Frequency Phenomena" delivered before The National Electric Light Association in St. Louis in March, 1893.
"The general plan is to charge capacitors from a current source with high tension and to discharge them disruptively..."
current source = welder

"The ideal medium for a discharge gap should only crack..."

"To return to the ideal medium; think for the sake of illustration, of a piece of glass or similar body clamped in a vice, and the vice tightened more and more. At a certain point a minute increase of the pressure will cause the glass to crack. The loss of energy involved in splitting the glass may be practically nothing, for though the force is great, the displacement need be but extremely small..."

The "minute increase" was the addition of the drill's electrical field (the displacement) when turned on. Turn the drill off, the "crack" heals itself, and the arcing stops. Stop welding and the current flow that is charging the capacitance of the surrounding space decreases so the added field of the drill is insufficient to cause the arcing.

secret of Tesla magnifying transmitter discovered.


Boyd Bushmen patent # US5929732 O:-)

:cool:

http://www.rexresearch.com/bushman/bushman.htm