Hello everyone,
Thought this to be of some importance

http://www.aluminumflux.com/
Degassing Fluxes
Hydrogen, found in the foundry primarily due to the decomposition of water vapor, is very soluble in liquid aluminum alloys, but much less so in the solid phase. When aluminum solidifies, the excess dissolved hydrogen comes out of solution and forms bubbles, from pinhole size to much larger sizes. Metal which has not been degassed before casting is vulnerable to this type of defect. Degassing fluxes remove hydrogen, and also oxides and other impurities.

I know this to be true as I have cast aluminum for 35 years, made many parts and built many things in aluminum.
Found it to be very odd at first, that the hydrogen created within the heated liquid state of aluminum would not burn or explode, but then realized there was no oxygen, needs three things to burn heat, fuel and oxygen.

Magnesium creates hydrogen as well and why magnesium fires burn very hot, blinding white hot.

Hydrogen is a very interesting gas and the more we know about it the better our chances of discovering it's secrets to use it as fuel.:D

You are right, but you don't need to melt it.
I stated this before many times but no one seems to bother to read it or how to efficiently use it.
I guess most wants to go their own road or deal with that they know.

Quote from wsx on September 28th, 2013, 10:01 PM

You are right, but you don't need to melt it.
I stated this before many times but no one seems to bother to read it or how to efficiently use it.
I guess most wants to go their own road or deal with that they know.

Sorry just did not see your post. I do miss some, if you could direct me to it, I will take the time to read it for I am interested, thanks.

Quote from Jeff Nading on September 29th, 2013, 09:04 AM

Sorry just did not see your post. I do miss some, if you could direct me to it, I will take the time to read it for I am interested, thanks.

Aluminum or as most people in the world call it Aluminium which is the proper periodic word for it, is an interesting metal.
I did not say much, I just hinted a few things. I gave 2nd hand information from an inventor in a non related investment project which is in the works.

But in short an aluminum soda can inside an electrolysis device can make it run more efficient which uses the aluminum as fuel to be dissolved... So  I was told. I never tried it first hand since I do not have the resources to try it. If that method does not work I would need to ask for clarification which can take a while. But I get the feeling some might not want to state everything exactly. So if you have the means to test it then you have some clues to get started and discover on your way.

Another thing about aluminum is if you take the power form and burn it, it lights up fast and bright, which is why they use it in fireworks.

The warning is that do not try to handle aluminum in "micron" powder with your bare hands for long periods since it is not good for your body to absorb. Aluminum has been linked in breast cancer to work and other health issues even when dealing with paints that have aluminum in it.  Extraction of aluminum from bauxite is not good for the environment but some do it and some nations banned aluminum extraction. But people still throw their aluminum cans without knowing what the damage to the environment it has done and yet throw it away. Now maybe you might feel guilty about wasting it which one should. But companies are trying to find new ways to extract them to get new aluminum, and I hope people recycle so that it does not go to waste. It is all a sticky mess but some are trying to make it better.

Quote from wsx on September 29th, 2013, 10:32 AM

Quote from Jeff Nading on September 29th, 2013, 09:04 AM

Sorry just did not see your post. I do miss some, if you could direct me to it, I will take the time to read it for I am interested, thanks.

Aluminum or as most people in the world call it Aluminium which is the proper periodic word for it, is an interesting metal.
I did not say much, I just hinted a few things. I gave 2nd hand information from an inventor in a non related investment project which is in the works.

But in short an aluminum soda can inside an electrolysis device can make it run more efficient which uses the aluminum as fuel to be dissolved... So  I was told. I never tried it first hand since I do not have the resources to try it. If that method does not work I would need to ask for clarification which can take a while. But I get the feeling some might not want to state everything exactly. So if you have the means to test it then you have some clues to get started and discover on your way.

Another thing about aluminum is if you take the power form and burn it, it lights up fast and bright, which is why they use it in fireworks.

The warning is that do not try to handle aluminum in "micron" powder with your bare hands for long periods since it is not good for your body to absorb. Aluminum has been linked in breast cancer to work and other health issues even when dealing with paints that have aluminum in it.  Extraction of aluminum from bauxite is not good for the environment but some do it and some nations banned aluminum extraction. But people still throw their aluminum cans without knowing what the damage to the environment it has done and yet throw it away. Now maybe you might feel guilty about wasting it which one should. But companies are trying to find new ways to extract them to get new aluminum, and I hope people recycle so that it does not go to waste. It is all a sticky mess but some are trying to make it better.

Interesting reading thanks wsx.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JasZ8V6LpbQ

Quote from Jeff Nading on September 29th, 2013, 12:53 PM

Quote from wsx on September 29th, 2013, 10:32 AM

Quote from Jeff Nading on September 29th, 2013, 09:04 AM

Sorry just did not see your post. I do miss some, if you could direct me to it, I will take the time to read it for I am interested, thanks.

Aluminum or as most people in the world call it Aluminium which is the proper periodic word for it, is an interesting metal.
I did not say much, I just hinted a few things. I gave 2nd hand information from an inventor in a non related investment project which is in the works.

But in short an aluminum soda can inside an electrolysis device can make it run more efficient which uses the aluminum as fuel to be dissolved... So  I was told. I never tried it first hand since I do not have the resources to try it. If that method does not work I would need to ask for clarification which can take a while. But I get the feeling some might not want to state everything exactly. So if you have the means to test it then you have some clues to get started and discover on your way.

Another thing about aluminum is if you take the power form and burn it, it lights up fast and bright, which is why they use it in fireworks.

The warning is that do not try to handle aluminum in "micron" powder with your bare hands for long periods since it is not good for your body to absorb. Aluminum has been linked in breast cancer to work and other health issues even when dealing with paints that have aluminum in it.  Extraction of aluminum from bauxite is not good for the environment but some do it and some nations banned aluminum extraction. But people still throw their aluminum cans without knowing what the damage to the environment it has done and yet throw it away. Now maybe you might feel guilty about wasting it which one should. But companies are trying to find new ways to extract them to get new aluminum, and I hope people recycle so that it does not go to waste. It is all a sticky mess but some are trying to make it better.

Interesting reading thanks wsx.

add gallium to aluminum and the aluminum is replaced, and the gallium stays. make lots of hho..

Quote from freethisone on September 30th, 2013, 05:44 AM

add gallium to aluminum and the aluminum is replaced, and the gallium stays. make lots of hho..

At what cost though?
The aluminum is almost free, that's how I see it anyway judging by how much you pay for it.
And as the Gallium isn't consumed in the process that is also for free, bar the initial purchase of course.
But how much energy is consumed while melting the gallium?
That's not for free at all judging by the temperatures needed, for instance you couldn't use a candle here so it has to be some hydrocarbon heating up the Gallium then.
Thanks for sharing though, most interesting

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2013, 06:00 AM

Quote from freethisone on September 30th, 2013, 05:44 AM

add gallium to aluminum and the aluminum is replaced, and the gallium stays. make lots of hho..

At what cost though?
The aluminum is almost free, that's how I see it anyway judging by how much you pay for it.
And as the Gallium isn't consumed in the process that is also for free, bar the initial purchase of course.
But how much energy is consumed while melting the gallium?
That's not for free at all judging by the temperatures needed, for instance you couldn't use a candle here so it has to be some hydrocarbon heating up the Gallium then.
Thanks for sharing though, most interesting


 i thought the cost between 200, and 400 dollars for the gallium.

oh well technically he doesn't need to do it in this manner.  it will work will metal shavings off a press also. There is more info look for the original discovery. i believe it came out of japan. Not sure.

but this has promise for hydrogen type fuel cells. see where the world is on this idea.

search for hydrogen fuel cell. all you do is incorporate the source of moving hydrogen and its a free reaction...  Yes? do you agree?

:cool:

Quote from freethisone on September 30th, 2013, 08:39 AM

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2013, 06:00 AM

Quote from freethisone on September 30th, 2013, 05:44 AM

add gallium to aluminum and the aluminum is replaced, and the gallium stays. make lots of hho..

At what cost though?
The aluminum is almost free, that's how I see it anyway judging by how much you pay for it.
And as the Gallium isn't consumed in the process that is also for free, bar the initial purchase of course.
But how much energy is consumed while melting the gallium?
That's not for free at all judging by the temperatures needed, for instance you couldn't use a candle here so it has to be some hydrocarbon heating up the Gallium then.
Thanks for sharing though, most interesting


 i thought the cost between 200, and 400 dollars for the gallium.

oh well technically he doesn't need to do it in this manner.  it will work will metal shavings off a press also. There is more info look for the original discovery. i believe it came out of japan. Not sure.

but this has promise for hydrogen type fuel cells. see where the world is on this idea.

search for hydrogen fuel cell. all you do is incorporate the source of moving hydrogen and its a free reaction...  Yes? do you agree?

:cool:

No I don't agree, as I see it the biggest cost would be heating up the Gallium so my question is how much energy does it take in the Gallium heating process compared to how much energy you get out of burning/exploding the hydrogen coming out of the Gallium/Aluminum/water- hydrogen generating process.
If the energy from burning/exploding the hydrogen exceeds the energy needed to heat the Gallium then it's getting interesting.

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2013, 09:20 AM

Quote from freethisone on September 30th, 2013, 08:39 AM

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2013, 06:00 AM

Quote from freethisone on September 30th, 2013, 05:44 AM

add gallium to aluminum and the aluminum is replaced, and the gallium stays. make lots of hho..

At what cost though?
The aluminum is almost free, that's how I see it anyway judging by how much you pay for it.
And as the Gallium isn't consumed in the process that is also for free, bar the initial purchase of course.
But how much energy is consumed while melting the gallium?
That's not for free at all judging by the temperatures needed, for instance you couldn't use a candle here so it has to be some hydrocarbon heating up the Gallium then.
Thanks for sharing though, most interesting


 i thought the cost between 200, and 400 dollars for the gallium.

oh well technically he doesn't need to do it in this manner.  it will work will metal shavings off a press also. There is more info look for the original discovery. i believe it came out of japan. Not sure.

but this has promise for hydrogen type fuel cells. see where the world is on this idea.

search for hydrogen fuel cell. all you do is incorporate the source of moving hydrogen and its a free reaction...  Yes? do you agree?

:cool:

No I don't agree, as I see it the biggest cost would be heating up the Gallium so my question is how much energy does it take in the Gallium heating process compared to how much energy you get out of burning/exploding the hydrogen coming out of the Gallium/Aluminum/water- hydrogen generating process.
If the energy from burning/exploding the hydrogen exceeds the energy needed to heat the Gallium then it's getting interesting.

your probably right, always have to include what u put into it. but you can melt gallium with the sun. try a magnifying class.

i have looked at hydrogen fuel cells, but its function is alien to me.
And if i could try create my own cell.

i do notice however the use of certain polymers. I think magnetic particles are gated by these polymers like Teflon tape.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjYIX-aH7KY:angel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqPhwuakcLM

So it is not only heat that will make it give out hydrogen. It is stored energy released with just water.
"Aluminium is oxidized by water to produce hydrogen and heat:
    2 Al + 3 H2O → Al2O3 + 3 H2

This conversion is of interest for the production of hydrogen. Challenges include circumventing the formed oxide layer which inhibits the reaction and the expenses associated with the storage of energy by regeneration of the Al metal.[11]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium

So as it seems as I stated it does not need heat, but gives it off. And that when in contact with water it oxidizes to make hydrogen.
The reference on Wikipedia is from a .GOV site which has charts and test results, titled...
"Reaction of Aluminum with Water to Produce Hydrogen
A Study of Issues Related to the Use of Aluminum for On-Board Vehicular Hydrogen Storage
U.S. Department of Energy"

Very good post wsx, thanks.:D