Its odd isn't it ?
I am personally unquestioningly 100% convinced the technology exists that we are looking for and that it has been around for at least the last 50 years or more.
SO why don't we know about it ??? Where is it  ??? why aren't people sharing ???
Is it greed ? ..I don't think so , Is it through fear ? probably ...
The powers at the top of the tree have controlled the human race through fear
since the dawn of time which means they are really f@$£ing good at it .
But they are loosing there grip !
At the moment we have the ability to share knowledge through the internet so how can we maximise our advantage and make it safe for people to share ??

Its frustrating to see good people spending so much time and effort trying  to re-invent something that has already been proven to work because the inventor  will not share his knowledge for what ever reason?
The whole Tom and Bob Rohner saga springs to mind..
Knowledge is power so give the power to the people and not the ones that make you live in fear ..!

  Woohoo! now just russ to go and i got the full set :D

Quote from Darenzo on September 17th, 2013, 08:24 PM

Knowledge is power so give the power to the people and not the ones that make you live in fear ..!

I have a crazy idea, everyone stop worrying about what might happen and just build it.  Share it.  And keep learning.  If a few of us get knocked out, the rest can pick up the slack.  In the end, we will prevail.

"They got the guns but we got the numbers
Gonna win, yeah, we're takin' over, come on!"
-- Jim Morrison, The Doors

AS General George S. Patton would say ..
"If a few of us get knocked out, the rest can pick up the slack. In the end, we will prevail"
Yeah dude they also said that in the first world war .. !
The attitude of this sites moderators shocks me  :huh:

Quote from Darenzo on September 18th, 2013, 07:48 AM

AS General George S. Patton would say ..
"If a few of us get knocked out, the rest can pick up the slack. In the end, we will prevail"
Yeah dude they also said that in the first world war .. !
The attitude of this sites moderators shocks me  :huh:

Watch it pal, this site won't stand for any derogarory remarks, least of all directed to the staff.
We run this forum, not the members, just like any other forum out there.
This will not be repeated.

Quote from Lynx on September 18th, 2013, 07:53 AM

Quote from Darenzo on September 18th, 2013, 07:48 AM

AS General George S. Patton would say ..
"If a few of us get knocked out, the rest can pick up the slack. In the end, we will prevail"
Yeah dude they also said that in the first world war .. !
The attitude of this sites moderators shocks me  :huh:

Watch it pal, this site won't stand for any derogarory remarks, least of all directed to the staff.
We run this forum, not the members, just like any other forum out there.
This will not be repeated.

look all I said was that i think It's vital for a global network of affiliated sties  to make a safe environment to share sensitive data such as design ideas !

WTF ! are you on !! Where is the freedom of speech and openness to share  freely.? your comment above and i quote :
"Watch it pal, this site won't stand for any derogarory remarks, least of all directed to the staff.
We run this forum, not the members, just like any other forum out there.
This will not be repeated. "
Is Threatening and verging on Fascist ... so what are you going to do ? ban me from this site?  so what ! that helps no one does it...

when I made my original comment on this subject  the response if any from the moderators of this forum I was hoping to hear would have been ..
Yes we understand the risks involved in sharing sensitive material and yes we do have a contingency plan and yes we are working hard to affiliate with other similar sites to build a global network etc. ... I was not expecting the response I got .

Russ is an inspirational guy who gives hope to people , you as moderators represent him and run this site on his behalf  I suggest you write it down so you don't forget it .!
You don't know me ..who I am, who I know, or what I have sitting on my bench right now .. But I will tell you this .. It is not safe to share on this site that's why the people who count don't share .
 

Quote from Darenzo on September 18th, 2013, 07:48 AM

AS General George S. Patton would say ..
"If a few of us get knocked out, the rest can pick up the slack. In the end, we will prevail"
Yeah dude they also said that in the first world war .. !
The attitude of this sites moderators shocks me  :huh:

Go on, explain what you mean.  What attitude is it of mine that shocks you?

Also keep in mind, Russ and the other moderators probably don't see the world the same as I do, so it's probably best to not lump us all together.

Seriously, I'd like to hear what you have in mind; how you would handle things.  I'm always game to learn something new.

Quote from Darenzo on September 18th, 2013, 12:03 PM

... But I will tell you this .. It is not safe to share on this site that's why the people who count don't share.

No.  Life is not safe.  No one ever said it would be safe to step outside the box and try something a little different.  It's a risk.  You take the risk and live with the consequences.  That is life.

Just FYI, I have a little something sitting on my bench right now too.  If it gets me killed, so be it.  I refuse to live in fear.

Tell you what, if you are scared, meet me someplace and I'll take your device up the hill for you.  You can decide if you want credit for it or not; either way, folks will know about it.

Quote from Darenzo on September 18th, 2013, 12:03 PM

Quote from Lynx on September 18th, 2013, 07:53 AM

Quote from Darenzo on September 18th, 2013, 07:48 AM

AS General George S. Patton would say ..
"If a few of us get knocked out, the rest can pick up the slack. In the end, we will prevail"
Yeah dude they also said that in the first world war .. !
The attitude of this sites moderators shocks me  :huh:

Watch it pal, this site won't stand for any derogarory remarks, least of all directed to the staff.
We run this forum, not the members, just like any other forum out there.
This will not be repeated.

look all I said was that i think It's vital for a global network of affiliated sties  to make a safe environment to share sensitive data such as design ideas !

WTF ! are you on !! Where is the freedom of speech and openness to share  freely.? your comment above and i quote :
"Watch it pal, this site won't stand for any derogarory remarks, least of all directed to the staff.
We run this forum, not the members, just like any other forum out there.
This will not be repeated. "
Is Threatening and verging on Fascist ... so what are you going to do ? ban me from this site?  so what ! that helps no one does it...

when I made my original comment on this subject  the response if any from the moderators of this forum I was hoping to hear would have been ..
Yes we understand the risks involved in sharing sensitive material and yes we do have a contingency plan and yes we are working hard to affiliate with other similar sites to build a global network etc. ... I was not expecting the response I got .

Russ is an inspirational guy who gives hope to people , you as moderators represent him and run this site on his behalf  I suggest you write it down so you don't forget it .!
You don't know me ..who I am, who I know, or what I have sitting on my bench right now .. But I will tell you this .. It is not safe to share on this site that's why the people who count don't share .

Look, without using those very words, "Yes we understand the risks involved in sharing sensitive material and yes we do have a contingency plan and yes we are working hard to affiliate with other similar sites to build a global network", then that is exactly what I meant when I first replied to you, without going into any details.
As for sharing, this is indeed an open source forum, it's stated in the rules that what's to be shared is to come with all the necessary documents needed for other to be able to replicate it, whatever it is.
As for the "It is not safe to share on this site" I'll tell you this: That goes for the very ones who's only interested in NOT seeing something groundbreaking being shared on an open source forum, for anyone to see/download/spread etc.
"Threatening and verging on Fascist... so what are you going to do ? ban me from this site?"...........stop the alleged nazi BS, I'm not buying it.
There's been some controversies here before, which has led to the rules being adjusted accordingly to include no derogatory remarks will be tolerated, that goes for everyone, including you.
Yes Russ is indeed an inspirational guy, we're fully aware of that.
If you got something to share you're more than welcome to do so.
In fact, if you'd like to get help to spread it feel free to contact Russ, he would be more than glad to help you out here.
HTH.
Now could you please stop this crusade?
We're not your enemies you know.

Quote from Darenzo on September 18th, 2013, 12:03 PM

You don't know me ..who I am, who I know, or what I have sitting on my bench right now .. But I will tell you this .. It is not safe to share on this site that's why the people who count don't share .

What stops you from posting on all the forums you choose to your self?  You want all forums to be clones of each other, what stops this automated action from deleting a thread on all forums?  

I think the smarter way to release a "break through" device is to not make any claims at all.  Lay out the plans and get people to build it.  Once you have a hand full of people with successful replications, its already too late for "they" to do anything about it.

I would bet that most people that don't want to release the "thing on their bench" to the public is not because of fear of safety, it's fear of not monopolizing on their discovery with out enduring the patent process.  A person who is not humble tends to not agree with open source ideas.

Just curious, but what would your definition of open source be for your device if you decided to release it?  Full documentation and instructions?  Mysterious hints and riddles?  Unfortunately most go with the second one.

Hi all, thanks for the comments.

Ive been thinking about this, im not sure now if ill even break this to the world anymore. There are some reasons not much to do with secret clowns but rather other things i wont go into.
I am on Max Millers site (Irondmax) and i have a build thread there. I am still in the first stages of the build and ive uploaded a few non exiting videos. So far so goo, all is going to plan. I wont be finished untill well into the new year.

But like i said, i may not go ahead and show the world what im doing. If i dont ill stop the build thread i have on Max Millers site. If i do decide to go ahead, i will create a build thread on this site too for all to see. I have changed the plans slightly and i now think i will get away using a 15hp stationary engine buy using a PMA (Permenent magnet alternator) for the generator. Ive priced these at US $10,000 for a 20kva model which spins at only 100 rpm. So for now ill make my own and see how it all goes before spending the cash. But if you have a lazy 10k, then buy one and you will have it made in no time, feel free to run with my idea, im not bothered who builds it first, i know it will work.
Cheers Matt from Australia.

Cheers AHL,

Somewhere I ran across a website that offers conversion kits to automotive alternators where they supply a new stator and permanent magnet (non-cogging) rotors.  Much cheaper.  Not 10kW output power, but still something you can work with.  I'll dig through my bookmarks and see if I can find it again.

Yes im aware of those, they are way to small and spin way to fast, this is what you need,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fJ5XaDX-rA

This one operates max rpm @ 750. The ones ive seen make 20kw @100 rpm.

I can't believe how hard it is to find an online schematic for a basic asynchronous alternator, it's not rocket science after all :huh:
Anyway, using a standard asynchronous squirrelcage motor as an alternator is both easy and fairly inexpensive, what you need besides the motor are capacitors, for 1-phase motors it's one cap and 3-phase takes 3 caps.
What you do is that you select the capacitors depending on the output power, there's a rule of thumb saying (IIRC) 10yF per kW so for 10 kW it's 100yF then, rated at the operating voltage for the motor.
On a 3-phase motor connect one pole of all the caps together in a star connection and the other poles goes to the motor terminals.



For a 2-pole motor the synchronous speed is 3600 RPM (at 60 Hz) so if you're looking at 700 RPM's the closest would be an 8-pole motor which would give you it's rated voltage with 60 Hz at 900 RPM.
http://www.pdhonline.org/courses/e176/e176content.pdf
The problem would of course be to find such a motor, bigger chance to find a 4-pole motor, that one would give you it's rated voltage (60 Hz) at 1800 RPM.
You know that you have the correct capacitors when the motor, which now acts as an alternator, gives out it's rated voltage at the synchronous speed (3600 RPM for 2-pole, 1800 RPM for 4-pole etc).
So for a genset this would do just fine, not so for a car as a car motor's speed varies.
The motor/alternator won't give out any voltage other when you approach it's synchronous speed, then it will start climbing quite drastically so watch your hands and feet.
http://autonopedia.org/renewable-energy/generators/motors-as-generators/

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2013, 07:35 AM

I can't believe how hard it is to find an online schematic for a basic asynchronous alternator, it's not rocket science after all :huh:
Anyway, using a standard asynchronous squirrelcage motor as an alternator is both easy and fairly inexpensive, what you need besides the motor are capacitors, for 1-phase motors it's one cap and 3-phase takes 3 caps.
What you do is that you select the capacitors depending on the output power, there's a rule of thumb saying (IIRC) 10yF per kW so for 10 kW it's 100yF then, rated at the operating voltage for the motor.
On a 3-phase motor connect one pole of all the caps together in a star connection and the other poles goes to the motor terminals.



For a 2-pole motor the synchronous speed is 3600 RPM (at 60 Hz) so if you're looking at 700 RPM's the closest would be an 8-pole motor which would give you it's rated voltage with 60 Hz at 900 RPM.
http://www.pdhonline.org/courses/e176/e176content.pdf
The problem would of course be to find such a motor, bigger chance to find a 4-pole motor, that one would give you it's rated voltage (60 Hz) at 1800 RPM.
You know that you have the correct capacitors when the motor, which now acts as an alternator, gives out it's rated voltage at the synchronous speed (3600 RPM for 2-pole, 1800 RPM for 4-pole etc).
So for a genset this would do just fine, not so for a car as a car motor's speed varies.
The motor/alternator won't give out any voltage other when you approach it's synchronous speed, then it will start climbing quite drastically so watch your hands and feet.
http://autonopedia.org/renewable-energy/generators/motors-as-generators/

The Hz matters not. Mine makes over 400 mhz.  A HHO cell doesnt require 50-60 hz anyway for that part.

Quote from AHL on September 30th, 2013, 07:41 AM

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2013, 07:35 AM

I can't believe............

The Hz matters not. Mine makes over 400 mhz.  A HHO cell doesnt require 50-60 hz anyway for that part.

Oh ok.
I thought you were going to use brute force electrolosys here, but you're looking to use it the way Meyer did then, am I correct?

This is what im doing at the moment Linx.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_plXBNbLjf0

Quote from AHL on September 30th, 2013, 07:47 AM

This is what im doing at the moment Linx.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_plXBNbLjf0

Ok, thanks.

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2013, 07:47 AM

Quote from AHL on September 30th, 2013, 07:41 AM

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2013, 07:35 AM

I can't believe............

The Hz matters not. Mine makes over 400 mhz.  A HHO cell doesnt require 50-60 hz anyway for that part.

Oh ok.
I thought you were going to use brute force electrolosys here, but you're looking to use it the way Meyer did then, am I correct?

Yes brute force. Volts x amps. Hz is irrelevant in this case.

Quote from AHL on September 30th, 2013, 07:57 AM

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2013, 07:47 AM

Quote from AHL on September 30th, 2013, 07:41 AM

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2013, 07:35 AM

I can't believe............

The Hz matters not. Mine makes over 400 mhz.  A HHO cell doesnt require 50-60 hz anyway for that part.

Oh ok.
I thought you were going to use brute force electrolosys here, but you're looking to use it the way Meyer did then, am I correct?

Yes brute force. Volts x amps. Hz is irreverent in this case.

Ok, thanks.
Well in that case the asynchronous motor running as an alternator will do the job just aswell as you're rectifying the voltage anyway.

Good luck

To the secret clowns who are trying to prevent my shipment of goodies. I know your monitoring both my phone and computer. Im not stupid. I sent you clowns a message on another medium. I advise you to follow it to the letter.

Quote from AHL on October 6th, 2013, 06:42 PM

To the secret clowns who are trying to prevent my shipment of goodies. I know your monitoring both my phone and computer. Im not stupid. I sent you clowns a message on another medium. I advise you to follow it to the letter.

I think you need to make sure they have their pink frosted doughnuts with sprinkles.  If you forget, they'll take their job far more seriously.

Quote from AHL on August 9th, 2013, 01:28 AM

Im interested to know everyones opinions on secret clowns, by that i mean spooks, russian mafia, energy company hit squads etc.
Do they exist as far as somehow getting involved with us? Will they really hurt us? Please tell me your thoughts.

Hi All,

During my now 52 years of life i learned that:
You never should be afraid of the unknown but of the things you could know but ignored

There are fewer ghosts in the dark than you might think

The most dangerous thing is to be uniformed or informed false or dependent on such persons or systems

Solution (for at least me) seems to be:
Get informed well, get independent concerning energy, food and information
And share as you are a small synapsis of mankind

By the way, happy to be here, althoug unhappy that the well known free forms of energis wind and sun are nearly no matter in this forums.

Quote from WindFritz on November 22nd, 2013, 08:09 AM

Hi All,

During my now 52 years of life i learned that:
You never should be afraid of the unknown but of the things you could know but ignored

There are fewer ghosts in the dark than you might think

The most dangerous thing is to be uniformed or informed false or dependent on such persons or systems

Solution (for at least me) seems to be:
Get informed well, get independent concerning energy, food and information
And share as you are a small synapsis of mankind

By the way, happy to be here, althoug unhappy that the well known free forms of energis wind and sun are nearly no matter in this forums.

Well said and welcome aboard.

Unfortunately we don't delve into wind, solar, thermal and water power here as much as we probably should.  I would consider all of those transitional technologies that could provide a means of energy independence while we continue the search for the more esoteric solutions.  If you have such projects you would be willing to share, by all means please open a thread.  I may even create a new forum area just for those forms of energy research.