Here's a little something to take a peek at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKJuuYwyyUg

Take the producer of this video with caution as we have had a few go-arounds with him.  What I want you to notice is the flow-rate in the bubbler.  It appears to be around 20 LpM (he says 14), so I'm guessing that generator motor is less than 300cc displacement.  Notice also when he plugs in the load, the load is only a little 20 watt fan motor.  So to get 20 watts out of usable power, he is probably dumping in over 2000 watts of electrical power to energize his cell.

I base the comparisons on my setup--8 LpM, 305cc motor, which would barely kick over.  At 8 LpM the bubbler was going absolutely nuts and I was pulling 13 amps at 120v from the wall to get it.

BTW, the numbers Gary Hendershot came up with are:  1 LpM for every 10cc of engine displacement; that's to have an engine that can actually do more than just spin itself with no load.  So for my 305cc engine, I'd need 30 LpM.  And 30 LpM, would take at least three of my big 60 plate cells running wide open, each drawing 15 amps at 120v.  So you can see, it's a zero sum game here.

All-in-all a cute video, but if you pay attention to the details you'll see why doing this is pretty much a dead end unless you just want to make cute videos.

Now if someone comes up with a good way to take a 60 plate cell like mine, feed it 10 amps at 120v and produce 30 LpM of HHO via cavitation or some other means, then we're back in business.

Ok, thanks D1.

Quote from Dog-One on July 14th, 2013, 07:02 AM

Here's a little something to take a peek at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKJuuYwyyUg

Take the producer of this video with caution as we have had a few go-arounds with him.  What I want you to notice is the flow-rate in the bubbler.  It appears to be around 20 LpM (he says 14), so I'm guessing that generator motor is less than 300cc displacement.  Notice also when he plugs in the load, the load is only a little 20 watt fan motor.  So to get 20 watts out of usable power, he is probably dumping in over 2000 watts of electrical power to energize his cell.

I base the comparisons on my setup--8 LpM, 305cc motor, which would barely kick over.  At 8 LpM the bubbler was going absolutely nuts and I was pulling 13 amps at 120v from the wall to get it.

BTW, the numbers Gary Hendershot came up with are:  1 LpM for every 10cc of engine displacement; that's to have an engine that can actually do more than just spin itself with no load.  So for my 305cc engine, I'd need 30 LpM.  And 30 LpM, would take at least three of my big 60 plate cells running wide open, each drawing 15 amps at 120v.  So you can see, it's a zero sum game here.

All-in-all a cute video, but if you pay attention to the details you'll see why doing this is pretty much a dead end unless you just want to make cute videos.

Now if someone comes up with a good way to take a 60 plate cell like mine, feed it 10 amps at 120v and produce 30 LpM of HHO via cavitation or some other means, then we're back in business.

Thanks Dog one. Great vid, shows it can be done. Remember, Henry fords first engine was a single cylinder item that could do nothing much at all really, but now ford produces cars that can spank virtually anything. Its all in the gradual process of development.
Now you said he needed about 2000 watts to make that LPM. Thats about 2.5 hp and then we add the inefficiency of the generator so ill guess thats about 3 hp maybe even 4. A Honda xr400 makes 35hp. That means i can waste 20hp making bubbles and leaves me with 15 to run a magnet motor 6.5 kva generator, enuf to power a house. The key is efficiency, to make bubbles effectively with little hp loss u need to use magnet motors because they are very efficient, not car alternators or traditional style generators. I have a 3 phase 2000 watt magnet motor i plan to use but ill be using step up transformers after the generator. I may use a number of these magnet motors and the best thing is, this particular magnet motor make full power at 700 rpm meaning i can gear it right down from the engine thus saving even more hp. These are my thoughts anyway Dog-0ne. I wont know im wrong till i attempt it and i am preparing to do that. I dont know nearly as much as you do Dog one so i appreciate your comments but im pig headed lol, ill do it and if i fail, than ive learned something, and you can say i told you so lmao. God bless ya mate. :)

P.s. Also, i know who Hydrofuelincanda is and i have subscribed to his chanel as well as many others, he is also on Max Millers forum which i am now also on. I know he got kicked from here but thats non of my business. I dont care about shenanigans. Also, i was doing some reseach on the resonamce of water and i found an old thread in a forum that was started by a man called far... something. But i will bet my bottom dollar it was max miller and i think thats where he got his key info from, if so, seems like i might be onto to some good info, wont know till i try it. :)
Here is that thread, http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/showthread.php?t=18833

Quote from AHL on July 15th, 2013, 01:30 AM

A Honda xr400 makes 35hp. That means i can waste 20hp making bubbles and leaves me with 15 to run a magnet motor 6.5 kva generator, enuf to power a house.

Not so fast.  You can make 35HP with what kind of volume of fuel?  100LpM gasoline/air mix?  200?

If you have access to one, put a flow meter on that bad boy and run it wide open under load.  I'll bet it pulls close to 20 cubic feet per minute into the carb.  That's 566 Liters per Minute.

You wont make any 35HP with 10LpM HHO, I can assure you.  With a 400cc engine you'll be exceedingly lucky if you can even get it to idle at 10LpM.

Quote from AHL on July 15th, 2013, 01:30 AM

The key is efficiency,

The key is volumetric efficiency.  Fuel in to shaft power out.  More power wanted, more fuel needed.  That's what engines do.

I have yet to see or hear about anyone blowing up their engine with HHO.  Why?  Because you can't make enough of it fast enough.  If you were to pressurize and it and do a quick run, then maybe.  More likely though you would blow yourself up pressurizing it.

I don't want to discourage you for sure, but do realize we have some limitations.  The Holy Grail would be for someone to figure out how to properly use cavitation to increase HHO generation by an order of magnitude using the same energy draw.  At that point, we're in business, because then we could feed these engines some serious fuel, make serious power and not have to use all of it on the HHO production.

Max Miller still thinks he can build a gas processor that will make the HHO much more powerful; I hope he's right and I wish him luck.  I don't see it happening though.  And even if he succeeds, how much more energy will be required by the gas processor?

What I'd really like to see is some sort of catalyst that when introduced to water, causes the molecular bonds to just come apart.  Then we'd really have something, especially if the catalyst isn't consumed in the process.  Plants do something similar to this, so I know it's possible.

Quote from Dog-One on July 15th, 2013, 12:33 PM

Quote from AHL on July 15th, 2013, 01:30 AM

A Honda xr400 makes 35hp. That means i can waste 20hp making bubbles and leaves me with 15 to run a magnet motor 6.5 kva generator, enuf to power a house.

Not so fast.  You can make 35HP with what kind of volume of fuel?  100LpM gasoline/air mix?  200?

If you have access to one, put a flow meter on that bad boy and run it wide open under load.  I'll bet it pulls close to 20 cubic feet per minute into the carb.  That's 566 Liters per Minute.

You wont make any 35HP with 10LpM HHO, I can assure you.  With a 400cc engine you'll be exceedingly lucky if you can even get it to idle at 10LpM.

Quote from AHL on July 15th, 2013, 01:30 AM

The key is efficiency,

The key is volumetric efficiency.  Fuel in to shaft power out.  More power wanted, more fuel needed.  That's what engines do.

I have yet to see or hear about anyone blowing up their engine with HHO.  Why?  Because you can't make enough of it fast enough.  If you were to pressurize and it and do a quick run, then maybe.  More likely though you would blow yourself up pressurizing it.

I don't want to discourage you for sure, but do realize we have some limitations.  The Holy Grail would be for someone to figure out how to properly use cavitation to increase HHO generation by an order of magnitude using the same energy draw.  At that point, we're in business, because then we could feed these engines some serious fuel, make serious power and not have to use all of it on the HHO production.

Max Miller still thinks he can build a gas processor that will make the HHO much more powerful; I hope he's right and I wish him luck.  I don't see it happening though.  And even if he succeeds, how much more energy will be required by the gas processor?

What I'd really like to see is some sort of catalyst that when introduced to water, causes the molecular bonds to just come apart.  Then we'd really have something, especially if the catalyst isn't consumed in the process.  Plants do something similar to this, so I know it's possible.

Ok, well i have a plan of attack so i dont think i see anything you have said as being a problem in theory yet. However, as we all know theory and actual results are two different things. So ill have a go and ill let you know if i fail or not. BTW, thanks for your input, you have shown me things i have not considered and i have changed my game plan as a result. Thanks mate. :)

Quote from AHL on July 15th, 2013, 11:56 PM

Ok, well i have a plan of attack so i dont think i see anything you have said as being a problem in theory yet. However, as we all know theory and actual results are two different things. So ill have a go and ill let you know if i fail or not. BTW, thanks for your input, you have shown me things i have not considered and i have changed my game plan as a result. Thanks mate. :)

Right on man.  Please do prove me wrong--I have thousands of dollars of equipment here collecting dust that I'd love to pull out and try again with.

Keep us in-the-know.  Results are results, good or bad, we'd like to see them.

Quote from Dog-One on July 16th, 2013, 12:02 AM

Quote from AHL on July 15th, 2013, 11:56 PM

Ok, well i have a plan of attack so i dont think i see anything you have said as being a problem in theory yet. However, as we all know theory and actual results are two different things. So ill have a go and ill let you know if i fail or not. BTW, thanks for your input, you have shown me things i have not considered and i have changed my game plan as a result. Thanks mate. :)

Right on man.  Please do prove me wrong--I have thousands of dollars of equipment here collecting dust that I'd love to pull out and try again with.

Keep us in-the-know.  Results are results, good or bad, we'd like to see them.

I will do. But ill be a while till i can do anything. But ill let you know for sure. :)