Would a 4pound magnet that can lift 250 pound be practical for anything?
First can electromagnetic induction be done without the magnet going through the copper loop, and just have a iron rod between the copper loop and the magnet passes next to the exposed iron rod?

If so how significant would it be to make a electromagnetic charge?

Anyway
Amazon is selling a 4 pound magnet which can lift 250pounds. That thing can injure you badly. The "Neodymium Magnets N50 2" x 2" x 1" Block"
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0012DRJPI/
Would that be practical for anything?

Who knows with this nanny state, the magnet might get banned sooner or later, just like how those small ball magnets got banned.
As the site now says www.getbuckyballs.com
As it use to say .archive.org
"In November 2012, Buckyballs announced that they had stopped production due to a CPSC lawsuit." Yeah too many border line "special" people are growing by the day, and too many fanatical politicians.

Matt Watts

RE: Would a 4pound magnet that can lift 250 pound be practical for anything?
« Reply #1, on June 27th, 2013, 04:48 PM »
Years ago while trying to build an N-Machine, I purchased two of these magnets:
Neodymium Magnets N42 3 inch Diameter x 1 inch Thick Disc with 0.25 inch Hole Rare Earth Magnets
http://www.magnet4less.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_11&products_id=969&osCsid=00844198c0b0c31d4476f8275180b2f3


Had a bit of an accident with them when my spacer block was crushed and allowed the two magnets to slam together.  The force was monstrous and the magnets collided with such force, both of them exploded into little fragments.  Luckily I was able to get my fingers out of the way before this happened or I wouldn't by typing this reply right now.  That incident proved to me there is terrific force in magnets that could be harnessed if only someone could find the trick to it.  Still, building a device to extract useful energy out of them would have to be done with extreme care and patience.  One slip and you've changed your life forever.

wsx

RE: Would a 4pound magnet that can lift 250 pound be practical for anything?
« Reply #2, on June 27th, 2013, 06:42 PM »Last edited on June 27th, 2013, 07:06 PM by wsx
Yikes
So I guess you don't know the answer if an electromagnetic induction be done without the magnet going through the copper loop. If it is possible only when it contacts the metal than you get friction and so maybe then it would need a iron brush. Just throwing ideas out.
 
Well with that power you it can make a more powerful and efficient motors. Maybe the shake flashlight would get charged with one shake.

The problem with more power to lift 250 pounds is that it is like a 250 pound rock or bag of sand, and they do not have a shut off system to not be 250 pounds of weight. The sand can be lifter easier if you take little by little over time, and the magnet and rock would need leverage to be lifted.
So I guess is ok a magnet with 250 pounds of power but how do you turn it off to help? Put it in an iron ball with a sliding iron door to help reduce its power? Is their an element or alloy that has not been tested with Magnets?
Well that's just a suggestion.

But isn't a more powerful magnet best when dealing with smaller... hmmm how do I say it... smaller form of energy or frequencies? Kind of like how a compas can work when dealing with the powerful earths magnetic field, when you have the electromagnetic induction to work with less coil. It would be like a magnifying glass that sees smaller objects, but a more powerful magnet can be used to detect smaller frequency. I guess it needs more clarification another time.

Matt Watts

RE: Would a 4pound magnet that can lift 250 pound be practical for anything?
« Reply #3, on June 27th, 2013, 07:06 PM »
Quote from wsx on June 27th, 2013, 06:42 PM
The problem with more power to lift 250 pounds is that it is like a 250 pound rock or bag of sand, and they do not have a shut off system to not be 250 pounds of weight. The sand can be lifter easier if you take little by little over time, and the magnet and rock would need leverage to be lifted.
So I guess is ok a magnet with 250 pounds of power but how do you turn it off to help? Put it in an iron ball with a sliding iron door to help reduce its power? Is their an element or alloy that has not been tested with Magnets?
Well that's just a suggestion.
What is needed is a device similar to a transistor but instead of gating electrons, you gate magnetic flux.  Then you could in effect, turn the field on and off from a permanent magnetic with very little signal input.  What would the gate signal be?  Doesn't really matter if it was electric, optical or magnetic, as long as its strength is considerably less than the force of the magnet field in the permanent magnet.

You design a device like that and we will have free energy whipped because making a powerful magnetic motor would be child's play from there.

wsx

RE: Would a 4pound magnet that can lift 250 pound be practical for anything?
« Reply #4, on June 27th, 2013, 07:51 PM »Last edited on June 27th, 2013, 09:27 PM by wsx
The only off switch to a magnet so far is an electromagnet. As cheap as the formula was in the last post it is the only way for now.

What you say kind of feels not possible since a magnet pulls, just like how you pull a rope and eventually the rope will have an end, while the rope has super glue. Magnets seem magical in a way but the illusion might distract us from what works sometimes. I see a magnet like a big rock since it will not bend, or a black hole that once you are in the black hole's event horizon you can go faster but you can't escape it.

To beat the power of a 250 pound magnet is to have a 251 pound magnet. Yeah its funny but it's true. Until we knows a magnets temporary weakness. Maybe to know that we need to know magnets more since it seems we are going blind due to not being able to see its force.

One way to get energy from a powerful magnet in use is with energy from sound. Just like a shake flashlight but with sound making the film/coil move through the magnet with easy when dealing with a powerful magnet. you whisper and it generates energy from the vibration. It just need to go back and forth fast to make a sufficient result and high frequencies do that well or maybe it needs a certain frequency.


As you see in the video they say the magnet makes the energy spin in the copper pipe. I find that strange. I don't see magnets make things turn.

Here is something interesting the n50 magnet slows down in the air on aluminum. hmmmm any ideas on what to use this on?


The metal that repels the magnet the most seems to be bismuth , which can that be used to help weaken or shut off the Magnet? if the magnet was encased by it?

Matt Watts

RE: Would a 4pound magnet that can lift 250 pound be practical for anything?
« Reply #5, on June 27th, 2013, 09:42 PM »Last edited on June 27th, 2013, 09:46 PM by Matt Watts
Here's one for you to try.  First heard about it from an engineer at Lockheed's Skunk Works:

Take two powerful permanent magnets (similar to the ones above) and bolt them together in repulsion.  Next take the whole assembly and drop it off a building alongside some other object, both at exactly the same time.  The bolted together magnets will stay in the air longer (repel gravity) and hit the ground after the other object does.  Pretty cool aay?  That's one I would like a full explanation for how it works.  There is something very fundamental happening there that would unlock many of the secrets to the universe if well understood.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33ZKT5aY6xM




wsx

RE: Would a 4pound magnet that can lift 250 pound be practical for anything?
« Reply #9, on June 28th, 2013, 10:15 AM »Last edited on June 28th, 2013, 10:17 AM by wsx
Isn’t Gravity a magnetic pull in a way or to a certain degree? When you have a powerful 250pound force magnet being 4 pounds it will mess with it all. I say it’s Electromagnetic Induction which is the point I was making. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txmKr69jGBk

I see a pattern of everything that seems counterintuitive is done by something that is hard to do. Think about it.
It is hard to stick together 250 pounds of repelling force together, which exerts a repelling force against gravity.
The veritasium videos have a lot of examples which one is the Gyroscopic Precession.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty9QSiVC2g0
Or the spinning disk trick where the heavy side goes up when you put enough spin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDr26U49_VA
Magnus Force does not go straight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23f1jvGUWJs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=t-3jnOIJg4k&feature=endscreen
Double Slit Experiment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuv6hY6zsd0
Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8FTr2qMutA

In a way the pattern seems to be:
(Big effort = counterintuitive) = anti principle.

Metaphor from science is Truth which is the core of it all.
So we can also say that Truth is counterintuitive. HMMMMMMMMMM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD-mg4tQyNs
Think about the last one to help wrap it up, since it's universal in a way.
Anyone else see the pattern?
In a way scientists are is anti science, while Tesla was not to understand it as a whole.