Isn't wider better?

wsx

Isn't wider better?
« on June 17th, 2013, 03:11 PM »
Maybe this is obvious to some so I ask.
For example this video how the thicker the conductivity the more electricity goes through. Wouldn't computer processors work just as fast if they were thicker to transfer more information to run faster and less heat?
ex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTmlR8B-u5c&feature=player_detailpage#t=360s

Now wouldn't thinker mean you need more force and be not as regulated like a thick hose compared to a thin hose?

So when people try to make devices wouldn't the width matter, since if it's battery powered the thinner the better so that the energy does not go to waste if it was a thick wire?

We don't obviously see a different in some thing due to good conductivity in the copper material, but I am giving an extreme example. Since even some components have a performance loss like a diode, or others when it's too thin or thick.

When it comes to efficient energy things have to be as close to perfect, in every way. Even portable devices which have a heat problem is not efficient to cause it or to use it back in the device, anything that makes noise is an indicator that it's not efficient, etc.

cory991

RE: Isn't wider better?
« Reply #1, on June 17th, 2013, 03:51 PM »
Quote from wsx on June 17th, 2013, 03:11 PM
Maybe this is obvious to some so I ask.
For example this video how the thicker the conductivity the more electricity goes through. Wouldn't computer processors work just as fast if they were thicker to transfer more information to run faster and less heat?
ex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTmlR8B-u5c&feature=player_detailpage#t=360s

Now wouldn't thinker mean you need more force and be not as regulated like a thick hose compared to a thin hose?

So when people try to make devices wouldn't the width matter, since if it's battery powered the thinner the better so that the energy does not go to waste if it was a thick wire?

We don't obviously see a different in some thing due to good conductivity in the copper material, but I am giving an extreme example. Since even some components have a performance loss like a diode, or others when it's too thin or thick.

When it comes to efficient energy things have to be as close to perfect, in every way. Even portable devices which have a heat problem is not efficient to cause it or to use it back in the device, anything that makes noise is an indicator that it's not efficient, etc.
I think there is a little give and take because electricity doesn't flow through a wire it flows on the outside of the wire. So if you go thicker you would incur losses from the copper inside the diameter. Hope that helps.

wsx

RE: Isn't wider better?
« Reply #2, on June 17th, 2013, 05:55 PM »
Quote from cory991 on June 17th, 2013, 03:51 PM
I think there is a little give and take because electricity doesn't flow through a wire it flows on the outside of the wire. So if you go thicker you would incur losses from the copper inside the diameter. Hope that helps.
Interesting, so wouldn't it be better to have an flat and "wider" connection? So would that increase the electricity by 4 times since you reduce the loss and increase the area?

The most powerful electromagnets in the world are not made of wire but flat
If you see this video you notice how flat and wide the connections are. 0.2mm thin copper metal which takes 6 months to assemble. To put each elecromagnet inside the other amplifies the electromagnet.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGytW_C6hR8&feature=player_detailpage#t=276s

If they did it the regular way with just thin coated wire it would be faster but I assume not as efficient.

Lynx

RE: Isn't wider better?
« Reply #3, on June 17th, 2013, 07:08 PM »
You do have some interesting ideas Wsx, good for you (us)
Btw, you're quite right, the thicker the wire the less the heat generating (active) losses.

wsx

RE: Isn't wider better?
« Reply #4, on June 17th, 2013, 09:48 PM »Last edited on June 17th, 2013, 09:49 PM by wsx
Quote from Lynx on June 17th, 2013, 07:08 PM
You do have some interesting ideas Wsx, good for you (us)
Btw, you're quite right, the thicker the wire the less the heat generating (active) losses.
Thanks for the kind words. I ask good or not so good questions I try to spark an idea.
I try to ask to make people think of other ways of seeing things and I try to use metaphorical examples to see that if it works for one concept why not think about how it can or can not work for another. I have a recurring theme between the posts.

Like everything people have to start small at the basics, but sometimes people forget and they want skip steps to improve/understand the universe, but we sometimes miss so much.


DaS Energy

RE: Isn't wider better?
« Reply #6, on June 18th, 2013, 08:14 AM »
To increase electricity flow you increase the diameter of the the wire or make it colder, heat impeads electricity more than anything else.
To increase electricity flow you increase the diameter of the the wire or make it colder, heat impeads electricity flow more than anything else.