Periodically Confused?

Bodenji

Periodically Confused?
« on May 27th, 2013, 01:10 AM »
Question. Why are ferromagnetic elements/materials attracted to magnets? What about their chemistry causes the force to occur? I read in a few places it has to do with the electron pairs in the outer shell needing to be shared, but I don't know if I even believe in traditional atomic theory any more. Besides, there are several elements on the periodic table of the elements that should fit that bill but aren't ferromagnetic. Some are "paramagnetic" such as osmium (which is a really interesting element in its own right) and are partially permeable by flux and are therefore magnetic. Other sources say everything is magnetic to at least some degree. Any insight?

As a side note, upon researching methods of focusing magnetic flux and the characteristics of Cobalt, the expensive, softer precursor to neo magnets, I found that Cobalt has the highest flux saturation density of any known element. It wasn't until alloys were created that cobalt got shelved as the rare earth magnet of choice.

Interestingly, there's a characteristic of ferromagnetic materials known as magnetostriction in which durring exposure to a magnetizing field the shape and dimensions of the domains within the metal are consticted as they rotate.

This in turn creates heat, as a byproduct of friction, proportional to the material's susceptibility to magnetostriction.

Here's where it gets interesting. If cobalt exhibits 60 microstrains (on whatever arbitrary scale is used to describe this largely misunderstood phenomenon), then there is this alloy of Terbium, called Terfenol-D, which is the most highly magnetostrictive material yet discovered by mankind, and exhibits 2000 microstrains, according to UCLA.

Maybe I am misunderstanding the properties of this material, but correct me if I am wrong. Magnetized Terfenol-D can convert magnetic energy into kinetic energy, or the reverse, by creating friction, and therefore heat, during the fractional change in length as the magnetization of the material increases from zero to the saturation value, or conversely by absorbing the like during demagnetization. So does this mean that a sample of Terfenil-D will spontaneously heat up when exposed to a magnetic feild?!

DanW

RE: Periodically Confused?
« Reply #1, on May 27th, 2013, 06:04 AM »
Thanks for the intro to magnetostriction - never heard/come across it before, and yeah, that Terfenol-D looks like interesting stuff!

I've sent off a quote request to ETREMA Products for a single rod 25mm x 100mm just for interest sake and because now I'd like to subject it to magnetics, I'll update with the price on that sample size 'just because'.



DanW

RE: Periodically Confused?
« Reply #3, on May 29th, 2013, 08:17 PM »Last edited on May 29th, 2013, 08:25 PM by DanW
OK, so I got a follow up email from Etrema - yes, you can purchase small quantities for testing as a private citizen - they even ship internationally, which is nice.

The price on my requested 25mm x 100mm rod came in at a low low $1,715 due to having to re-size down a 26mm diameter rod.

Going with shelf stock of 26mm x 100mm, it's a rather reasonable $1,680 - bargain really. Shipping is on top of that.

Now if I can just convince the wife that we don't actually need to eat every other day..

Still, looks like a fascinating material. One fine day :)

*out of curiosity I'm going to see what a smaller sample would cost, and fill in the pricing. The sample size I was quoted on is quite large, upon further consideration.  

Bodenji

RE: Periodically Confused?
« Reply #4, on May 30th, 2013, 03:37 AM »
Quote from DanW on May 29th, 2013, 08:17 PM
OK, so I got a follow up email from Etrema - yes, you can purchase small quantities for testing as a private citizen - they even ship internationally, which is nice.

The price on my requested 25mm x 100mm rod came in at a low low $1,715 due to having to re-size down a 26mm diameter rod.

Going with shelf stock of 26mm x 100mm, it's a rather reasonable $1,680 - bargain really. Shipping is on top of that.

Now if I can just convince the wife that we don't actually need to eat every other day..

Still, looks like a fascinating material. One fine day :)

*out of curiosity I'm going to see what a smaller sample would cost, and fill in the pricing. The sample size I was quoted on is quite large, upon further consideration.
Good follow up Dan. That's insane though. Well, I guess it would be expensive considering the rarity of the phosphate minerals from which terbium it is extracted. The richest sources currently contain around 1% terbium and the processing required to isolate the rare earth metal is ridiculous. Too bad really, I really wanted to see if intermittently exposing it to a neomagnet or pulsing electromagnet would cause it to heat up. I wish I had unlimited resources, but then if I did I guess I wouldn't be on thisforum asking these questions.

DanW

RE: Periodically Confused?
« Reply #5, on May 30th, 2013, 04:43 AM »
Ha great point you make there, compadre - with unlimited resources, our inquisitiveness would be sated with a much faster turn-around, whomever said 'money can't buy happiness' was not using his funding correctly :)

I've inquired about (even though here in AU we spell it 'enquired' - I'm paying homage to this audience by using locally correct spellings - but I digress..) a 13mm x 20mm disk - and stated that it doesn't need to be a perfect specimen, as I understand that creating this substance leads to many 'commercial cast-offs' which would still make prime research material.

I'll update as soon as the friendly staff at prior mentioned establishment gets back to me.

Piezoelectrics hold a fascination for me, and a substance that has as much mass displacement as Terfenol-D could be really useful if coupled to an efficient piezoelectric generator - worth testing, anyways (: