Hi
I could be wrong but so I am asking to understand. When you put water into a bucket with a hole in the end you get 100% efficiently for what water goes in water goes out. But when you deal with devices with coils its not eh case, so the problem is impossible and to give up? Meaning the coil should be looked at again since that the the main weak point it seems for some to take a second looks from time to time with the new discoveries.

When you see the small circles in the diagram and the arrows going one way while the other is rubbing on it the other way it seems like friction in the electromagnetic sense, which friction always reduces the power.

Now if you use other physics for rubber gears it won't it would be a lot of friction, if you use water it wont work as well as smoothly. Friction always is bad no matter if its air friction, physical friction, or electromagnetic friction. Maybe some might say its 1 step back and 2 steps forward. Now if some say it gets together with the bigger loop that still won't take away the fact that their is a small gap in between and if it just makes the big gap you might as well use a blat piece of metal that can cover the entire pipe.
Some can say my question is wrong so how does not produce some loss?

Some might feel the Muller coil is the way to help with the distance away form the core but it still has friction.


Even the tesla bifilar has a good idea to give a boost but still friction.


A good step in the direction might be the "star challis coil" but that seems better but has friction when you wind a lot of coil.

Weather right or wrong, I hope some people take a second thought if possible.
Thanks

Good observation wsx and welcome to the forum.

What came to mind looking at your images is the work being done by J.L Naudin and termed, "Delayed Lenz Effect", DLE.  I have to wonder if this magnetic friction as you call it may be what is responsible for DLE.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/indexen.htm

It is always interesting to me to see overlap in the many various experiments being conducted.  One experimenter probably doesn't see how his work interrelates with someone else's work and vice versa.  An observer looking at both does have the opportunity to see it however.  It's when this third person takes this new revelation and puts it into a new experiment where progress comes forth.

If you take what you have noticed and have a look at Ed Leedskalnin's work, I think you may be able to see even more to the story here.
http://leedskalnin.com/

I do agree for sure, coils as they are currently made are far from optimal and certainly are not harvesting the full magnetic potential available.  They are doing just what Tom Bearden says--they are killing the dipole.  Which is why free energy remains just out of reach.

Thanks for the links.

Something else to think about is a lot of experiments seem to be done out of force to get results like a regular bladed turbine to force the propellers while a Tesla turbine main objective is to use as little force as possible to get better results. You would not want people to force you then they want something and you should not force anyone else or anything maybe.  In short one should go with the flow or be bashed back.

It seems like people want to focus on the BIG things and maybe many ignore the little things. I feel that if you can look at one form of physics you can try to understand the other. Like to understand sound waves one should look at the waves of water to try and visualize to help them understand and spark an idea.

The same with electricity how people come up with detailed precision devices but when it comes to the smallest thing it's just a jumbles mess in a way and ignored when that is where most of the issue is. Maybe it is impossible but how many can say they tried in their own way? It's easy to let others do it but everyone's perspective to think it out might be interesting. Some seem to want a quick a sloppy method when making videos on making coils which they admit and then want precision.

A few suggestions which maybe I am wrong is to space the coils and measure the electromagnetic difference if they put it closer of further apart if it exists.
Another suggestion is to put a live wire next to a non active wire to get power form the one spinning the opposite way to "put the energy back into the active coil". Or maybe use a different metal in the non active wire which is not as conductive to disrupt and separate the copper's electromagnetic field. Again I would be wrong and throwing things in the dark.

On another note here is a metaphor, when a company wants to grow it does not eat the money it makes, but it puts money back into the company to help it grow more over time with the "help" of cheap assistants and then when it reaches a limit it then "outputs" what he accumulated on other things. I never see that with electronics probably due to its inefficiency and if a business ran like electronics it would be out of business. ;)