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Update 12th March 2013 I now think I'm wrong about folk not being able to hit resonance see HHO. 22 or HHO. 23
back to this video... In this video I use a miniVNA (vector network analyser) to investigate the resonant frequency of the HHO test cell. In order to do this I connected a small inductor in parallel with the plates of the cell. I started off with the same coil that I used in the last video when I used the oscilloscope and signal generator to find resonance, remember that I had the coil one metre away from the plates on the end of the coax feed cable in that test. In this test I found that in order to achieve anything like a significant dip with the VNA I had to use quite a small coil. If I use a larger coil there are two drawbacks, first the frequency is below the 1 Mhz bottom end of the range of the VNA but more significantly, with a larger coil the dip at resonance is very very small, in fact it gets lost in the noise. When I was looking for resonance with the oscilloscope and signal generator I found that it was impossible to find resonance of the cell when it was wet, so I found the resonance of a dry cell and then slowly introduced the plates into the water and 'tracked' the resonance as it changed frequency. Water increases the capacitance of the cell but the resistance reduces as the cell is immersed into the tank. With the 2 off 100mm x 100mm 316L stainless steel plates with a 1mm gap in water from my dehumidifier this resistance is enough almost totally damp the Q. By the way I take it for granted that you appreciate that once you know the resonant frequency of the wet cell that it's simply a case of measuring the inductance to calculate the capacitance. (you can't measure the capacitance of a wet cell reliably)
I think the idea of finding and tracking resonance of a damped cell is unlikely, I think that any special effects that may be achieved in the disassociation of molecules is likely to have more to do with dv/dt than actually hitting resonance, that is having a fast rise time to any applied DC signal.
That's what I'll be looking at next.
I'd like to hear from anyone who can contradict my comments about predictably hitting resonance, with proof or convincing discussion, no juju beads and chicken feathers please.
Thanks for the interest and the input.

Kind Regards...Andy
GWØJXM

Link to HHO. 1 Successful test using a copper & stainless steel cell http://youtu.be/4yeIEHmOA_I
Link to HHO. 2 Construction of a test cell. http://youtu.be/qTna1BtHlcA
Link to HHO. 3 Some mods to the cell and higher than anticipated capacitance reading. http://youtu.be/J8bxSeXzeAc
Link to HHO. 4 building a resettable gas flow monitor. http://youtu.be/2NsHTVKB5eQ
Link to HHO. 5 Test set up for results for dehumidifier water. http://youtu.be/YHumeBYx5jQ
Link to HHO. 6 Results for the test setup in HHO. 5 http://youtu.be/AUgTwsWl2_M
Link to HHO. 7 Graphs, same data as in HHO.6 but presented differently

Link to HHO. 8 Test cell efficiency graph 5 to 30 volts DC http://youtu.be/EqyMck4pxNo
Link to HHO. 9 3 to 5 volts graphs plus 3 to 30 Volts http://youtu.be/RyQwz7WfbXw
HHO. 10 No data, just me waffling on about matters arising http://youtu.be/jVn2uyS2wrk
HHO. 11 Cell resistance vs temperature ~ 0.49 Ω per °C http://youtu.be/pecLgJcbQjk
HHO. 12 Cell resistance vs DC Voltage (2.5 to 30 Volts) http://youtu.be/Uty5EazmZLM
HHO. 13 Cell resistance vs DC voltage (1.5 to 6 volts) http://youtu.be/OP8SZN1O700
HHO. 14 Comparing the cell to a capacitor and a battery http://youtu.be/94RTvonQFgI
HHO. 15 Test to eliminate issues with dissimilar metals http://youtu.be/coMpYzPcUp0
HHO. 16 Test to eliminate possibly issues with the power supply http://youtu.be/DGKEeX2TzkM
HHO. 17 Graphs for different plate spacing's, 1 to 5mm http://youtu.be/iU1sVDDTgcA
HHO. 18 Just me waffling on about where I'm going with this project http://youtu.be/jpCoXm424wU
HHO. 19 Finding the cells resonant frequency http://youtu.be/ZFNMauer4ZU
HHO. 20 Using a VNA to find the cell resonance http://youtu.be/pEbx46W0aGc

Quote from securesupplies on May 7th, 2013, 08:42 PM

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Update 12th March 2013 I now think I'm wrong about folk not being able to hit resonance see HHO. 22 or HHO. 23
back to this video... In this video I use a miniVNA (vector network analyser) to investigate the resonant frequency of the HHO test cell. In order to do this I connected a small inductor in parallel with the plates of the cell. I started off with the same coil that I used in the last video when I used the oscilloscope and signal generator to find resonance, remember that I had the coil one metre away from the plates on the end of the coax feed cable in that test. In this test I found that in order to achieve anything like a significant dip with the VNA I had to use quite a small coil. If I use a larger coil there are two drawbacks, first the frequency is below the 1 Mhz bottom end of the range of the VNA but more significantly, with a larger coil the dip at resonance is very very small, in fact it gets lost in the noise.

IIRC correctly, Fast Freddy was working with resonances, but these were in the acoustic range. You then have two possible resonances, one along the length direction of the pipes, and one perpendicular with respect to the pipes surfaces.

However, it remains a question whether resonance is an important key or not. I haven't followed the progress on this stuff lately, but there is reason to believe that the key to Meyer's COP>1 system is to be found in the dielectric layers on his fuel cell. I started a thread about that, which you may find interesting:

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=1168

If you are interested in experimenting with this idea, which is a/o based on observations by John Bedini with his batteries, you may want to start with aluminum plates/tubes in a bath of baking soda, just like radio amateurs made made electrolytic capacitors in the old days.

Aluminum has the big advantage that you can grow dielectric layers electrochemically such that you get the right properties to withstand a desired voltage, so you can control the thickness of the dielectric layer, which I believe is capable of drawing energy from the environment which is necessary for creating a COP>1 system.