Resonance Structures

Ravenous Emu

Resonance Structures
« on May 6th, 2013, 06:26 PM »Last edited on May 6th, 2013, 06:39 PM by Ravenous Emu
Some one who's a Chemistry Major... Please chime in correct me if I'm missing anything. :D
Thanks.

During some of my recent research I've come across this topic.
RESONANCE STRUCTURES
"When two or more electron dot formulas can be written, they are called resonance structures."
(Timberlake, Karen C. General, Organic, and Biological Chemistry: Structures of Life. San Francisco: Pearson Benjamin Cummings, 2007. Print.)

"Several Lewis structures are used collectively to describe the actual molecular structure... the molecule does not oscillate back and forth between the contributing structures, as might be assumed from the word "resonance". The actual structure is an approximate intermediate between the canonical forms... This intermediate form between different contributing structures is called a resonance hybrid... Resonance is a key component of valence bond theory."

"Due to confusion with the physical meaning of the word resonance, as no elements actually appear to be resonating, it has been suggested that the term resonance be abandoned in favor of delocalization.[9] Resonance energy would become delocalization energy and a resonance structure becomes a contributing structure."

"A resonance hybrid has a structure that is intermediate between the contributing structures; the total quantity of potential energy, however, is lower than the intermediate. Hybrids are therefore always more stable than any of the contributing structures would be.[13] The molecule is sometimes said to be "stabilized by resonance" or "resonance-stabilized," but the stabilization derives from electron delocalization, of which "resonance" is only a description."
("Resonance (chemistry)." Wikipedia. Wikimedia Foundation, 05 May 2013. Web. 06 May 2013.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance_%28chemistry%29

"Molecules that require description with resonance are those for which we can write two or more Lewis structures that differ only in the position of electrons
If the structures differ in the position of atoms, they are isomers, not resonance structures
http://chemistry.umeche.maine.edu/CHY251/Reson.html

So... This would seem to indicate that water is a "resonance structure".
Why? Might you ask... There are multiple ways to draw the electron configurations.
Furthermore, since you've got multiple diagrams you will have a "resonance hybrid" for the water molecule.

In other words:
Water has a partial negative and partial positive charge. Which means you can line it up in an electric field.
Also, It think this is related to water having a slight "polar covalent bond".

Matt Watts

RE: Resonance Structures
« Reply #1, on May 6th, 2013, 08:36 PM »
Possibly the exclusion zones (EZ) are what we need to concentrate on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqHWueBp23c

Seems to be key in extracting radiant energy.

We also need to look at the concept of Cold Current.  In my mind using Leedskalnin's description is that it's a condition where the two cork-screwing magnetic entities don't actually cross through one another.  I have a silly hunch that if you put this type of current through water, it will cause electrolysis to happen, but not produce any heat.  I also have a hunch you would not be able to measure Cold Current with typical measuring devices--maybe a WFC is the only thing that will see it.

Still lots to learn.

FaradayEZ

RE: Resonance Structures
« Reply #2, on May 7th, 2013, 02:59 AM »
Quote from Dog-One on May 6th, 2013, 08:36 PM
Possibly the exclusion zones (EZ) are what we need to concentrate on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqHWueBp23c

Seems to be key in extracting radiant energy.

We also need to look at the concept of Cold Current.  In my mind using Leedskalnin's description is that it's a condition where the two cork-screwing magnetic entities don't actually cross through one another.  I have a silly hunch that if you put this type of current through water, it will cause electrolysis to happen, but not produce any heat.  I also have a hunch you would not be able to measure Cold Current with typical measuring devices--maybe a WFC is the only thing that will see it.

Still lots to learn.
This is the video about the growth of ice and other stuff i tried to find again for another thread, also answering you :)

securesupplies

RE: Resonance Structures
« Reply #3, on May 7th, 2013, 07:34 AM »Last edited on May 7th, 2013, 08:10 AM by securesupplies
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I remember researching hydrogen maker Proton's set up they described a water ionizer as vital?,

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Alkaline water vs Acidic water

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Gunther Rattay

RE: Resonance Structures
« Reply #5, on May 7th, 2013, 09:35 AM »Last edited on May 7th, 2013, 09:37 AM by bussi04
Quote from Lynx on May 7th, 2013, 08:27 AM
this is a conversion error of the forum software. those dots are abbreviations but may not be included in the link. that error occurs from time to time.

@securesupplies: if nothing else helps put the correct link into quotation marks. then there is no conversion to hyperlink.

phil

RE: Resonance Structures
« Reply #6, on May 7th, 2013, 12:23 PM »
Quote from Dog-One on May 6th, 2013, 08:36 PM
Possibly the exclusion zones (EZ) are what we need to concentrate on:

Seems to be key in extracting radiant energy.

We also need to look at the concept of Cold Current.  In my mind using Leedskalnin's description is that it's a condition where the two cork-screwing magnetic entities don't actually cross through one another.  I have a silly hunch that if you put this type of current through water, it will cause electrolysis to happen, but not produce any heat.  I also have a hunch you would not be able to measure Cold Current with typical measuring devices--maybe a WFC is the only thing that will see it.

Still lots to learn.
I saw another Pollack video where he says the EZ water has a structure similar to graphene, and it forms at every interface i.e. electrode surfaces and around bubbles.

Ravenous Emu

RE: Resonance Structures
« Reply #7, on May 7th, 2013, 03:28 PM »Last edited on May 7th, 2013, 03:29 PM by Ravenous Emu
Quote from securesupplies on May 7th, 2013, 07:34 AM
Alkaline water vs Acidic water
That is quite an interesting thought.  I'll have to dig into it.

I will say this.
Typically when you have a lower pH (acidic). There are more Hydrogen Ions available.
When you have a higher pH. (basic/Alkaline).  There are more Hydroxide Ions available.

As an example... If I put Hydrochloric acid in water...
It will lower the pH value of the water.  Why? because it's chemical composition is "HCl".
When the "H" is released there is an extra hydrogen ion available.

The process works much the same way for bases.
The only difference is that you're using "hydroxide" ions instead of "H" ions.

securesupplies

RE: Resonance Structures
« Reply #8, on May 7th, 2013, 08:07 PM »Last edited on May 7th, 2013, 08:36 PM by securesupplies
Quote from Lynx on May 7th, 2013, 08:27 AM
google file name or
google  alkaline hydrogen, ( remember we don't want + alkine which we add by salts,
we want natural electric split with out fraction into gas to get

alkaline there is a big difference so filter materials you find on web that way believe me it is cutting edge though here and may or may not be precise but it is very very interesting!

Quote from bussi04 on May 7th, 2013, 09:35 AM
Quote from Lynx on May 7th, 2013, 08:27 AM
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OK


I have attached what I found sure there is more ,

 remember there is a massive convergence here of knowledge ,

Ohmasa Gas Japan made a saturated hydrogen water, using micro mixing tech using bubbles vibration inside the cell,

so the type and angle of h could create more saturation if acidic or alkaine,

A New Zealand guy did similar using magnetics
also a Austrian company does it with magnetics adjust the structure for baking bread etc .

it is not a fact yet they ammp split level drop for making hho
but damm interesting as I am sure you all can see

to investigate as it connected directly to cell biology
as well and would explain why when race horses are given baking soda they hold more  oxygen in blood etc to perform better due to the space created in the bonds . as they go alkaline all this useless knowledge is making sense.

Remember we are not investigating adding salts or making it alkaline with koh etc

what we want is to split the water into acidic and alkaline water types from one water source natural water

and test in 2 different water after it is made into acidic and alklaine using
medium voltage technic on youtube etc

 what happens when we try to use each in hho cell and split them into gass
is the required amp lower in either?

one report attached lend itself to that if correct Jackpot Baby

So be happy

here is a happy link



It may also pay to investigate further tap water in Ohio and what
ph it is and what they do to it , it could well be leaning alkaline !!!

dan




Quote from Ravenous Emu on May 7th, 2013, 03:28 PM
Quote from securesupplies on May 7th, 2013, 07:34 AM
Alkaline water vs Acidic water
That is quite an interesting thought.  I'll have to dig into it.

I will say this.
Typically when you have a lower pH (acidic). There are more Hydrogen Ions available.
When you have a higher pH. (basic/Alkaline).  There are more Hydroxide Ions available.

As an example... If I put Hydrochloric acid in water...
It will lower the pH value of the water.  Why? because it's chemical composition is "HCl".
When the "H" is released there is an extra hydrogen ion available.

The process works much the same way for bases.
The only difference is that you're using "hydroxide" ions instead of "H" ions.
Thank you Emu
This is a great little note.

we have to add to this if it is + or - charged and
do a input and yeild test with each type derived from running minium 12 volt through water to get 2 types. and then run each through a cell
it wil do something for sure but if we connect dots here we are advancing tech!!!!

As the Ez Type water  is what ph and what Charge??
acidic or alkine

we must define both and document as very very interesting!
if indeed we prove amps required to split into gass
 is less in either alkline or acidic and or the is a mdieum ez type understanding?

it would be coolll


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Lynx

RE: Resonance Structures
« Reply #9, on May 8th, 2013, 12:22 AM »
Quote from bussi04 on May 7th, 2013, 09:35 AM
Quote from Lynx on May 7th, 2013, 08:27 AM
this is a conversion error of the forum software. those dots are abbreviations but may not be included in the link. that error occurs from time to time.

@securesupplies: if nothing else helps put the correct link into quotation marks. then there is no conversion to hyperlink.
They are also found here, with working links - http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=1163&pid=15129#pid15129