This is a thought of 30,000W 6MMW HHO cell(brute force).this is enough for saving money?

**update to 30,000W hho cell to make it realistically.   

130 km/day =10 liter/day = 9.3569 dollar/day
- avg 2 hour run a day(avg80km/h)
-if use hho 100%,make hho 180liter/min consume 30kW/hr , 2hr*30wh unit=60 unit ,60unit*0.1161 dollar= 6.966 dollars/day = 208.98 baht/day
-28.0709baht*10liter(gasoline)= 280.709 baht/day(US) = 9.3569 dollar/day
-44.85baht*10liter= 448.5 baht/day(Thailand)

65 km/day = 5 liter/day = 4.7684 dollar/day
- avg 1 hour run  a day(avg80km/h)
-if use hho 100%,make hho 180liter/min consume 30kW/hr , 1hr*30wh unit=30 unit ,30unit*0.1161 dollar= 3.483 dollars/day = 104.49 baht/day
-28.0709dollar*5liter(gasoline)= 140.3545 baht/day(US) = 4.7684 dollar/day
-44.85baht*5liter= 224.25 baht/day(Thailand)

***conclusion***:
130km/day= 80.80miles/day,30,000W hho cell cost : gasoline
6.966 dollars/day : 9.3569 dollar/day

65km/day= 40.40miles/day,30,000W hho cell cost : gasoline
3.483 dollars/day : 4.7684 dollar/day

reference:

gasoline US
28.0709 baht/liter

Diesel Fuel
31.2409 baht/liter

gasoline 95 -Thailand
44.85 baht/liter

30 baht/1 dollar

6 MMW cell = 10V 3000A 180liter/min

1 US gallon = 3.78541178 liter

gasoline=3.542 dollars/gallon

gasoline=106.26 baht/gallon

1.609 kilometers=1mile

if car consume=30 miles per gallon = 12.7529 km/liter

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geenee

I would agree with the numbers, the stumbling block is that HHO needs to be generated on-demand, not stored in a fuel tank.  A little difficult to have a wire running from your house to your car wherever you drive; real difficult to have one that can carry 3000 amps.

Which is why we must find out how to run an engine more efficiently on HHO, to the point where we can use a portion of that same power to crack water into HHO and still have enough engine power left over to drive the vehicle.  We get there and all the rest will fall into place.  Trust me, I'm still working on it.  Takes time and capital, but I'll get there if possible.

Quote from Dog-One on April 22nd, 2013, 06:41 PM

I would agree with the numbers, the stumbling block is that HHO needs to be generated on-demand, not stored in a fuel tank.  A little difficult to have a wire running from your house to your car wherever you drive; real difficult to have one that can carry 3000 amps.

Which is why we must find out how to run an engine more efficiently on HHO, to the point where we can use a portion of that same power to crack water into HHO and still have enough engine power left over to drive the vehicle.  We get there and all the rest will fall into place.  Trust me, I'm still working on it.  Takes time and capital, but I'll get there if possible.

To Dog-One.
that is putative about 3000W 6MMW cell because i thought that is a huge consume hho cell and can run smooth with 180LPM.i am sure about run on water 1000%.that is real.if high cost it will no good.

thanks
geenee

Quote from geenee on April 22nd, 2013, 09:31 PM

that is putative about 3000W 6MMW cell because i thought that is a huge consume hho cell and can run smooth with 180LPM.i am sure about run on water 1000%.that is real.if high cost it will no good.

If my Thane Heins Bi-Toroid Transformer (BiTT) works out, it may just be possible to still use brute force electrolysis and not overly tax the engine.  Still not certain about the numbers, but 180 LpM could be done with approximately 22 of my new HHO cells.  They would be heavy though (at least 15 lbs ea), so that would have to be taken into consideration.

I'm told 8 LpM of HHO should adequately run a 305cc engine.  When all my parts finally get here and I get things assembled, I should know the answer.  If correct, then we can calculate scaling up with some actual definitive numbers.

It's a little like gambling in a casino--if you can win 51 percent of the time, then you can make money going there.  That's where we need to be.  We need to prove beyond any doubt there is a way to make more power than we consume in the production process, even if it is only a tiny bit more.

i have a mistake about 6mmw cell,it must be 30,000W.i updated it at first post.

To Dog-One
Great Work.you're right about scaling up.i have a 50cc 4stroke 850W generator,i will try when i have a time.

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geenee

Why not test the working power of HHO?

Make a cylinder, inject 1 cc HHO, spark it, measure the piston. (maybe like Bob does it, with a pressurized downforce or with a suitable weight)

If one knows these numbers..then one can think about how much effort it takes to let it run a car, and so how much gas.

Also one can work with this test-setup on more mixes, like with water, with ambiant air, with exhaust from the test before.

Quote from FaradayEZ on April 23rd, 2013, 05:23 AM

Why not test the working power of HHO?

Make a cylinder, inject 1 cc HHO, spark it, measure the piston. (maybe like Bob does it, with a pressurized downforce or with a suitable weight)

If one knows these numbers..then one can think about how much effort it takes to let it run a car, and so how much gas.

Also one can work with this test-setup on more mixes, like with water, with ambiant air, with exhaust from the test before.

that's a great idea.Stan said energy greater 2.5 times than gasoline.need someone to test it.

thanks
geenee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Bv99YOGlY

another idea.use bruce force, power by home electric then compress gas in tank.like LPG or CNG engines.

thanks
geenee

Quote from geenee on May 4th, 2013, 12:11 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Bv99YOGlY

another idea.use bruce force, power by home electric then compress gas in tank.like LPG or CNG engines.

thanks
geenee

Not very efficient if you make the Hydrogen from electricity produced by coal fired pollution plants, (cough power plants).

Just playing with the numbers for a minute.  I have a big solar panel on the roof of my RV and it only produces about 5 to 10 amps at a maximum of 18 volts in direct sunlight.  If I were to collect the energy from that in the form of compressed Hydrogen, all the energy I collected would be used up just to compress it in the fuel tank.  There wouldn't be enough Hydrogen left to even light my torch, let alone run my car downtown for an hour.  I would need solar panels across my entire property (which would get me kicked out of the neighborhood) to make enough electricity to even attempt brute force electrolysis, which BTW, I would have to throw all the Oxygen away since I can't compress HHO.

We need something better.  Solar and wind is better than nothing, but not by much unless you still use candles and oil lamps in your house.  Which I'm afraid is where we are all headed (except for the elite of course) if we don't figure something out pretty soon.

Great thought, Dog-One.we need polution free,that i agree.

when i watched this video about Geet engine.that told about ICE working.ICE work by push a piston,gasoline engine burn and heat to ambient air, by using expansion of ambient air to push piston.but Geet engine use heat water vapor expansion(difference from normal air expansion) to push a piston that make Geet engine use lower gas consumption.this concept can apply to HHO by using heat water vapor burn with HHO then piston have heavy force from heat water vapor expansion.this concept is better than normal air expansion to push a piston.from 60LPM HHO it can be to lower consumption-->>to 6 LPM HHO.lastest water injector of Meyer use this to lower size of WFC unit.IMHO.

Just only push piston nothing more,don't care about air fuel ratio.***heat water vapor expansion***,nothing magic!!! = expansion 1600-1700 times by volume.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080214204415AAuoaq9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYjmJYI4aJI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdrjkIZebtM
https://www.youtube.com/aluka1603

thanks to this man,Andreas Ludwig Kalcker.
geenee

to Dog-One,sorry about too many ideas to let us wrong direction.i just think difference for figuring it out.

something i need to add,internal combustion engine is not efficiency engine(40%efficiency) because heat energy from ignition don't transfer to full force (air expansion) and loss energy to heat around enviroment.40% to force piston and 60% to heat engine up.this point, Geet know that to fix by using water to trap 60% loss power to be force(expansion power).this like electrolysis if heat was created that mean you loss efficiency.

thanks
geenee