Meyer effect in simple terms

nav

Meyer effect in simple terms
« on March 12th, 2013, 03:57 PM »Last edited on March 12th, 2013, 04:48 PM by nav
These are a few illustrations I have done to simplify the Meyer effect numbered 1 to 8, they show where you can start off and where you can finish but also draw important parallels along the way.
I have used volt people driving a water wheel as a very simple example, we love the volt people.
Please read each illustration carefully.
[attachment=3470]
[attachment=3471]
[attachment=3472]
[attachment=3473]
[attachment=3474]
[attachment=3475]
[attachment=3478]
[attachment=3477]




nav

RE: Meyer effect in simple terms
« Reply #3, on March 13th, 2013, 12:00 PM »Last edited on March 13th, 2013, 12:03 PM by nav
Hi all, figure 1 this is where we start - in the water.
We start off with the most important object - the capacitor.
[attachment=3481]
On the figure, the water controller has a water wheel which has a frequency calculated simply by regarding one 360 degree rotation as 1hz, we don't want a water wheel we want a pair of plates or a pair of tubes. This pair of tubes or plates has a frequency but it is not the frequency of the tank circuit when its combined with an inductor, it has another frequency. This frequency is what our whole system is going to be based on - our frequency.
Here is Meyers fuel cell or one of Meyers fuel cells. Take a long hard look at the bottom of it.
[attachment=3482]
Can anyone spot something which will help us to determine what type of frequency we are looking for?


nav

RE: Meyer effect in simple terms
« Reply #4, on March 14th, 2013, 12:46 AM »
Here is a picture I did of Meyers set up of his tubes. I've seperated the tubes so one is no longer inside the other.
Tube A is the outer tube and tube B is the inner tube.
The 2 objects drawn in blue which I have question marked, what are they?
[attachment=3484]

DanB

RE: Meyer effect in simple terms
« Reply #5, on March 14th, 2013, 03:50 AM »
Quote from nav on March 14th, 2013, 12:46 AM
Here is a picture I did of Meyers set up of his tubes. I've seperated the tubes so one is no longer inside the other.
Tube A is the outer tube and tube B is the inner tube.
The 2 objects drawn in blue which I have question marked, what are they?
Those are the electrical connection and bottom support for the outside tubes.

nav

RE: Meyer effect in simple terms
« Reply #6, on March 14th, 2013, 02:36 PM »
Quote from DanB on March 14th, 2013, 03:50 AM
Quote from nav on March 14th, 2013, 12:46 AM
Here is a picture I did of Meyers set up of his tubes. I've seperated the tubes so one is no longer inside the other.
Tube A is the outer tube and tube B is the inner tube.
The 2 objects drawn in blue which I have question marked, what are they?
Those are the electrical connection and bottom support for the outside tubes.
Nice guess DanB lol. Have another go its free but you are only allowed 10 guesses lol. Seriously though, they do provide electrical contacts from the supply to the cell but that's just one of 2 functions. The other function is why everyone is failing in the Meyer effect. Look at the shape of those contacts, what are they allowing the cell to do? Think in terms of a tattoo gun or a tuning fork.


gpssonar

RE: Meyer effect in simple terms
« Reply #7, on March 14th, 2013, 03:18 PM »Last edited on March 14th, 2013, 03:32 PM by gpssonar
They are three other setups that Stan had working, 1: which was the plate cell which was mounted solid. 2: was the 11 cell array that also was mounted solid. 3: also the injector system. Explain how these ring. Nav those do nothing in the form of magic belive me, I guess you could use them to fine tune the capacitance by raising an lowering the outer tub. They are there for electrial connection only. I don't mean to be negitave but I had a system working several years back and it has nothing to do with the tubes ringing. What makes this work is creating a voltage on both plates and raising that voltage several thousand volts while keeping the amps in the m/amps at all times.
 

 

nav

RE: Meyer effect in simple terms
« Reply #8, on March 14th, 2013, 03:41 PM »
Quote from gpssonar on March 14th, 2013, 03:18 PM
They are two other setups that Stan had working, One which was the plate cell which was mounted solid. The other was the 11 cell array that also was mounted solid. Explain how these ring. Nav those do nothing in the form of magic belive me. They are there for electrial connection only. I don't mean to be negitave but I had a system working several years back and it has nothing to do with the tubes ringing. What makes this work is creating a voltage on both plates and raising that voltage several thousand volts while keeping the amps in the m/amps at all times.
 

 
If you are not prepared to listen gpssonar then what are you doing here? Are you setting people up to fail?
The system WILL NOT WORK unless you allow the cell to free float and resonate.
Meyer used alternative methods of allowing the cell tubes to resonate other than the springs I previously pointed out with the picture of Meyers cell.
Those connectors provide a double function, firstly they allow the cell to be connected electrically and secondly they allow the cell to vibrate like a tuning fork.
The vibrating is the resonance of the cell, you can find out the resonance of your tubes by allowing the frequency generator to sweep the frequencies until your cell starts to physically vibrate. This is the starting point of HHO water fuel cells.
Ladies and Gents, we have a stalwart sending you down the wrong path. Do your own stuff, experiment to your hearts content but don't listen to him just listen to your own results.
Anyone telling you not to go a certain place you must be very aware of.  



DanB

RE: Meyer effect in simple terms
« Reply #9, on March 14th, 2013, 03:53 PM »
Quote from nav on March 13th, 2013, 12:00 PM
Hi all, figure 1 this is where we start - in the water.
We start off with the most important object - the capacitor.

On the figure, the water controller has a water wheel which has a frequency calculated simply by regarding one 360 degree rotation as 1hz, we don't want a water wheel we want a pair of plates or a pair of tubes. This pair of tubes or plates has a frequency but it is not the frequency of the tank circuit when its combined with an inductor, it has another frequency. This frequency is what our whole system is going to be based on - our frequency.
Here is Meyers fuel cell or one of Meyers fuel cells. Take a long hard look at the bottom of it.

Can anyone spot something which will help us to determine what type of frequency we are looking for?
This array (cell) is very interesting, at least to me. It seems to be made out of COPPER tubing. Stan said that S.S. was needed, but here is a copper tubing version that he made. In any case, if  Stan used this setup for testing we could reduce the cost of making an array (cell) by not needing S.S. with fancy cuts best made using a milling machine.

nav

RE: Meyer effect in simple terms
« Reply #10, on March 14th, 2013, 04:04 PM »
Quote from DanB on March 14th, 2013, 03:53 PM
Quote from nav on March 13th, 2013, 12:00 PM
Hi all, figure 1 this is where we start - in the water.
We start off with the most important object - the capacitor.

On the figure, the water controller has a water wheel which has a frequency calculated simply by regarding one 360 degree rotation as 1hz, we don't want a water wheel we want a pair of plates or a pair of tubes. This pair of tubes or plates has a frequency but it is not the frequency of the tank circuit when its combined with an inductor, it has another frequency. This frequency is what our whole system is going to be based on - our frequency.
Here is Meyers fuel cell or one of Meyers fuel cells. Take a long hard look at the bottom of it.

Can anyone spot something which will help us to determine what type of frequency we are looking for?
This array (cell) is very interesting, at least to me. It seems to be made out of COPPER tubing. Stan said that S.S. was needed, but here is a copper tubing version that he made. In any case, if  Stan used this setup for testing we could reduce the cost of making an array (cell) by not needing S.S. with fancy cuts best made using a milling machine.
Hi DanB,
No, this array is made of stainless steel including the resonance springs at the bottom of it, its just the way the light is shining.

gpssonar

RE: Meyer effect in simple terms
« Reply #11, on March 14th, 2013, 04:05 PM »Last edited on March 14th, 2013, 04:27 PM by gpssonar
Quote from nav on March 14th, 2013, 03:41 PM
Ladies and Gents, we have a stalwart sending you down the wrong path. Do your own stuff, experiment to your hearts content but don't listen to him just listen to your own results.
Anyone telling you not to go a certain place you must be very aware of.
Nav, I never called you names, all i ask was for you to explain the other three ways Stand made them work, I just wanted you to explain the ringing or tunning forks, were are they at in the other drawings. As for leading people down the wrong path, I've had it working and will get it working again soon. By the way next time you go buy a certian value capacitor for you next project, Make sure you buy a free floating capacitor i'm sure it will work. Anyway have it your way, I'll stay off your thread and wish you all the luck in the world in your success.

nav

RE: Meyer effect in simple terms
« Reply #12, on March 14th, 2013, 05:09 PM »
Quote from gpssonar on March 14th, 2013, 04:05 PM
Quote from nav on March 14th, 2013, 03:41 PM
Ladies and Gents, we have a stalwart sending you down the wrong path. Do your own stuff, experiment to your hearts content but don't listen to him just listen to your own results.
Anyone telling you not to go a certain place you must be very aware of.
Nav, I never called you names, all i ask was for you to explain the other three ways Stand made them work, I just wanted you to explain the ringing or tunning forks, were are they at in the other drawings. As for leading people down the wrong path, I've had it working and will get it working again soon. By the way next time you go buy a certian value capacitor for you next project, Make sure you buy a free floating capacitor i'm sure it will work. Anyway have it your way, I'll stay off your thread and wish you all the luck in the world in your success.
Did I call you names? Forget Meyers other ways according to you, let the people experiment for themselves and stop telling them not to experiment. They will find out for themselves if it works or not without you.


Matt Watts

RE: Meyer effect in simple terms
« Reply #13, on March 14th, 2013, 06:41 PM »
Quote from nav on March 14th, 2013, 05:09 PM
Did I call you names? Forget Meyers other ways according to you, let the people experiment for themselves and stop telling them not to experiment. They will find out for themselves if it works or not without you.
Nav, I need for you to attack the concept not other members of this forum.  Stay focused, behave like an adult and do your part to solve this mystery.  GPS meant you no harm.  Now back to work...

You were explaining how the cell must physically vibrate.  Can you please work the numbers and show us what the minimum and maximum frequencies of this vibration can be?  What are the bounds?  If the resonance is physical and not necessarily electrical, it will have a very straight forward set of limits based on the cell design.

Thanks,

D1

nav

RE: Meyer effect in simple terms
« Reply #14, on March 15th, 2013, 04:20 AM »
Quote from Dog-One on March 14th, 2013, 06:41 PM
Quote from nav on March 14th, 2013, 05:09 PM
Did I call you names? Forget Meyers other ways according to you, let the people experiment for themselves and stop telling them not to experiment. They will find out for themselves if it works or not without you.
Nav, I need for you to attack the concept not other members of this forum.  Stay focused, behave like an adult and do your part to solve this mystery.  GPS meant you no harm.  Now back to work...

You were explaining how the cell must physically vibrate.  Can you please work the numbers and show us what the minimum and maximum frequencies of this vibration can be?  What are the bounds?  If the resonance is physical and not necessarily electrical, it will have a very straight forward set of limits based on the cell design.

Thanks,

D1
My apologies to GPS, I was a little harsh.
I've already built a system to do this Dog-one. I spent a few days pondering about resonance and thinking which part of the cell could have the potential to be resonant. There are several different aspects of steel tube or plate that have a potential. Firstly the molecular build up of the SS itself has a potential, the molecular resonance of the alloy bonding but I discounted it because it would be almost impossible to replicate oscillations in that range which would be in really high frequencies, water would be up there too.
Obviously working as a capacitor the plates have an electrical potential based on the dielectric constant of the water or air gap but that potential in the water has huge limitations. Tap water and varying different types of tap water present you with a problem in high voltage situations. The breakdown voltage across the dielectric would be almost incalculable in a conductive dielectric such as tap water without having firstly a current measuring device in the water which would be phase lock looped to both your tank circuit and voltage frequencies but that is for another date to discuss.
Actually vibrating the tubes like a pipe organ seems firstly to be clutching at straws but then when you actually think about it, it starts getting interesting. The questions raised in such a arrangement would be these:
1. Do you vibrate one tube or both?
2. If you vibrate both tubes in phase what type of cancellation would take place and will it affect the water in a different way?
3. What affect on water do these vibrations have in situations where you have an electrical field (capacitance) and one where you have no electric field?
4. Insulating one of the plates so current leakage is impossible in the cap, will this affect the vibrations?
5. Would it be possible that Meyers resonant chokes besides acting electrically in a tank circuit could actually be tuned to the acoustic resonance of the tubes through their electromagnetic field, similar to a tattoo gun but act in a different proximity range?
6. Finally, would it be possible to have the tubes vibrating at an acoustic resonance which could be matched by a tank circuit's resonance and your input voltage frequency? Have all three variables in phase?
Obviously all different lengths of pipes and plates have different acoustic frequencies and resonance, we know this through tuning forks and we know that tuning forks have a proximity range and cannot work in a vacuum.
I have set up some apparatus to find all these questions out and will be testing in the next few months.
The cell limit will be based on the acoustic resonance of the tubes which we have to find out but make no mistake, the tubes will have that resonant frequency because everything on this planet will naturally vibrate if the conditions are right including yourself.