WFC must see...Preventing water Short.....

So I was puzzled by the fact that Stan mentioned the following. "Voltage potential Across exciter-array can exceed 20,000volts".
Yet according to the secondary winding on the transformer its only 600 turns with input primary of 12v.
Then i kept reading and had to read twice the following quote." During resonant interaction a step charging voltage effect is applied to the exiter array. This causes a voltage potential increase in a progresive function".

The Water capacitor is not allowed to discharge because of the Diode. This in turn allows capacitor to increase in voltage potential. But if current is allowed to flow in the capacitor then voltage will drop exponentially [dead short]. this is were stans Meyer "resonant charging choke" comes in handy it prevents current flow in the cell allowing voltage to intensify.

What do you think?
Is the following accurate?

#1 The above explains why not all Stans Meyers VIC circuits have a transformer.
#2 Water capacitor is what creates the high voltage becouse of voltage step charging effect.
#3 Inductors act like current chokes limiting current flow acrros capacitor array.
#4 This allows high voltage Electrostatic force acumulation in capacitor. Straining the water bond.
#5 Efficiency in vic is produced at resonance between inductor and cap this explains the wiper arm
in vic inductor.

Quote from Heuristicobfuscation on March 11th, 2013, 08:42 PM

WFC must see...Preventing water Short.....

So I was puzzled by the fact that Stan mentioned the following. "Voltage potential Across exciter-array can exceed 20,000volts".
Yet according to the secondary winding on the transformer its only 600 turns with input primary of 12v.
Then i kept reading and had to read twice the following quote." During resonant interaction a step charging voltage effect is applied to the exiter array. This causes a voltage potential increase in a progresive function".

The Water capacitor is not allowed to discharge because of the Diode. This in turn allows capacitor to increase in voltage potential. But if current is allowed to flow in the capacitor then voltage will drop exponentially [dead short]. this is were stans Meyer "resonant charging choke" comes in handy it prevents current flow in the cell allowing voltage to intensify.

What do you think?
Is the following accurate?

#1 The above explains why not all Stans Meyers VIC circuits have a transformer.
#2 Water capacitor is what creates the high voltage becouse of voltage step charging effect.
#3 Inductors act like current chokes limiting current flow acrros capacitor array.
#4 This allows high voltage Electrostatic force acumulation in capacitor. Straining the water bond.
#5 Efficiency in vic is produced at resonance between inductor and cap this explains the wiper arm
in vic inductor.

you got it. this is the theory. a lot about Independence matching is also a factor. all theses factors working together to create what stan was doing.  

your on the right track my friend.

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 12th, 2013, 01:29 AM

Quote from Heuristicobfuscation on March 11th, 2013, 08:42 PM

WFC must see...Preventing water Short.....

So I was puzzled by the fact that Stan mentioned the following. "Voltage potential Across exciter-array can exceed 20,000volts".
Yet according to the secondary winding on the transformer its only 600 turns with input primary of 12v.
Then i kept reading and had to read twice the following quote." During resonant interaction a step charging voltage effect is applied to the exiter array. This causes a voltage potential increase in a progresive function".

The Water capacitor is not allowed to discharge because of the Diode. This in turn allows capacitor to increase in voltage potential. But if current is allowed to flow in the capacitor then voltage will drop exponentially [dead short]. this is were stans Meyer "resonant charging choke" comes in handy it prevents current flow in the cell allowing voltage to intensify.

What do you think?
Is the following accurate?

#1 The above explains why not all Stans Meyers VIC circuits have a transformer.
#2 Water capacitor is what creates the high voltage becouse of voltage step charging effect.
#3 Inductors act like current chokes limiting current flow acrros capacitor array.
#4 This allows high voltage Electrostatic force acumulation in capacitor. Straining the water bond.
#5 Efficiency in vic is produced at resonance between inductor and cap this explains the wiper arm
in vic inductor.

you got it. this is the theory. a lot about Independence matching is also a factor. all theses factors working together to create what stan was doing.  

your on the right track my friend.

~Russ

But wouldn't the diode still allow current to flow as an half rectified wave form?

Quote from nav on March 22nd, 2013, 12:21 PM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 12th, 2013, 01:29 AM

Quote from Heuristicobfuscation on March 11th, 2013, 08:42 PM

WFC must see...Preventing water Short.....

So I was puzzled by the fact that Stan mentioned the following. "Voltage potential Across exciter-array can exceed 20,000volts".
Yet according to the secondary winding on the transformer its only 600 turns with input primary of 12v.
Then i kept reading and had to read twice the following quote." During resonant interaction a step charging voltage effect is applied to the exiter array. This causes a voltage potential increase in a progresive function".

The Water capacitor is not allowed to discharge because of the Diode. This in turn allows capacitor to increase in voltage potential. But if current is allowed to flow in the capacitor then voltage will drop exponentially [dead short]. this is were stans Meyer "resonant charging choke" comes in handy it prevents current flow in the cell allowing voltage to intensify.

What do you think?
Is the following accurate?

#1 The above explains why not all Stans Meyers VIC circuits have a transformer.
#2 Water capacitor is what creates the high voltage becouse of voltage step charging effect.
#3 Inductors act like current chokes limiting current flow acrros capacitor array.
#4 This allows high voltage Electrostatic force acumulation in capacitor. Straining the water bond.
#5 Efficiency in vic is produced at resonance between inductor and cap this explains the wiper arm
in vic inductor.

you got it. this is the theory. a lot about Independence matching is also a factor. all theses factors working together to create what stan was doing.  

your on the right track my friend.

~Russ

But wouldn't the diode still allow current to flow as an half rectified wave form?

Yes the diode does allow current to flow as a half rectified wave form. It also does not allow the water capacitor to discharge. If we did not have the diode the capacitor would discharge all the electrostatic energy back into the tank circuit.

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Yes the diode does allow current to flow as a half rectified wave form. It also does not allow the water capacitor to discharge. If we did not have the diode the capacitor would discharge all the electrostatic energy back into the tank circuit.

Wrong!
It allows the current to discharge from the cap in the direction of that diode so that there is no current flow in the opposite direction. In order for you to have no current direction at all you would have to have a diode blocking both paths.  

Guess I'd have to question WHAT current flow you are talking about.  I see no mention of the current flow INSIDE the water capacitor.  Intuitively thinking, no amount of external components will have any effect on the internal behavior of the WFC.  Let me give you an example:  Place the best battery charger money can buy on a brand new 12 volt lead acid automotive battery.  Will it keep the battery charged?  Most likely yes.  Now open the water fill caps and deposit one teaspoon full of baking soda in each of the cells.  Will the battery charger be able to keep the battery charged now?  Not on your life.  No chance.  That battery is history.  Do whatever you can dream up externally and the battery will continue to be paper weight.

Just saying...

Quote from nav on March 22nd, 2013, 04:22 PM

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Yes the diode does allow current to flow as a half rectified wave form. It also does not allow the water capacitor to discharge. If we did not have the diode the capacitor would discharge all the electrostatic energy back into the tank circuit.

Wrong!
It allows the current to discharge from the cap in the direction of that diode so that there is no current flow in the opposite direction. In order for you to have no current direction at all you would have to have a diode blocking both paths.

Interesting not sure I fully understand your response.  If I am wrong than maybe you can help me understand.  

Whats your opinion of the following?  

#1 Stan Meyer WFC.  Is it Polarized or nonpolorized?
#2 "Stans Step Charging Process" is it not the objective to breakdown the dielectric material?
#3 Isn’t a diode a one way valve? If we used water to inflate a balloon provided an inline one way valve wouldn't that balloon burst at a critical point of inflation?

Quote from Dog-One on March 22nd, 2013, 07:02 PM

Guess I'd have to question WHAT current flow you are talking about.  I see no mention of the current flow INSIDE the water capacitor.  Intuitively thinking, no amount of external components will have any effect on the internal behavior of the WFC.  Let me give you an example:  Place the best battery charger money can buy on a brand new 12 volt lead acid automotive battery.  Will it keep the battery charged?  Most likely yes.  Now open the water fill caps and deposit one teaspoon full of baking soda in each of the cells.  Will the battery charger be able to keep the battery charged now?  Not on your life.  No chance.  That battery is history.  Do whatever you can dream up externally and the battery will continue to be paper weight.

Just saying...

The flow of current in vic circuit [not at cap] is transformed by water capacitor into Electrostatic force.    

Idealy we would not want current flow in cap this would impede static buildup.
So if the water is to be treated as a capacitor would not the capacitor have a Cathode and an Anode? If this is the case then the capacitor discharges in one direction and charges in the opposite direction. Stans Vic allows the Charging of the capacitor in one direction but restrics the discharging in opposite direction
with diode.

Is is not the point of a Capacitor to transform current potential into Electrostatic force?

Quote from Heuristicobfuscation on March 22nd, 2013, 08:42 PM

The flow of current in vic circuit [not at cap] is transformed by water capacitor into Electrostatic force.    

Idealy we would not want current flow in cap this would impede static buildup.
So if the water is to be treated as a capacitor would not the capacitor have a Cathode and an Anode? If this is the case then the capacitor discharges in one direction and charges in the opposite direction. Stans Vic allows the Charging of the capacitor in one direction but restrics the discharging in opposite direction
with diode.

Is is not the point of a Capacitor to transform current potential into Electrostatic force?

Point taken.

My point is:  What if you have a path for current flow INSIDE the water capacitor.  How can you possibly neutralize that path externally?

Quote from Dog-One on March 22nd, 2013, 09:43 PM

Quote from Heuristicobfuscation on March 22nd, 2013, 08:42 PM

The flow of current in vic circuit [not at cap] is transformed by water capacitor into Electrostatic force.    

Idealy we would not want current flow in cap this would impede static buildup.
So if the water is to be treated as a capacitor would not the capacitor have a Cathode and an Anode? If this is the case then the capacitor discharges in one direction and charges in the opposite direction. Stans Vic allows the Charging of the capacitor in one direction but restrics the discharging in opposite direction
with diode.

Is is not the point of a Capacitor to transform current potential into Electrostatic force?

Point taken.

My point is:  What if you have a path for current flow INSIDE the water capacitor.  How can you possibly neutralize that path externally?

That’s a good question. I don’t know about neutralizing that path externally. There is always some impurities in tap water or rain water etc. Stan Meyer mentioned that water is like a sponge it absorbs ambient air. The same is true for the entrapment of minerals and metals. With these parameters we really aren’t achieving a "perfect" water capacitor. But for all practical purposes Stans vic works pretty well in the real world. This is why i think its not a good idea to add conductive elements in water such as salts, electrolytes, etc if we are to follow stans design. This actually impedes static buildup and possibly returns to conventional electrolysis. Having said that stan meyer mentioned in his now famous news interview that you can add "tap water, rain water, salt water, snow-- etc-- has no adverse effect to wfc".

Quote from Heuristicobfuscation on March 23rd, 2013, 02:49 PM

That’s a good question. I don’t know about neutralizing that path externally. There is always some impurities in tap water or rain water etc. Stan Meyer mentioned that water is like a sponge it absorbs ambient air. The same is true for the entrapment of minerals and metals. With these parameters we really aren’t achieving a "perfect" water capacitor. But for all practical purposes Stans vic works pretty well in the real world. This is why i think its not a good idea to add conductive elements in water such as salts, electrolytes, etc if we are to follow stans design. This actually impedes static buildup and possibly returns to conventional electrolysis. Having said that stan meyer mentioned in his now famous news interview that you can add "tap water, rain water, salt water, snow-- etc-- has no adverse effect to wfc".

Yes and some have mentioned placing oxides, delrin or other insulative material on one or both electrodes.  Others have indicated there is no sign of such material on Stan's electrodes.  I'm not sure what to think.

If you have two non-insulated concentric stainless steel tubes and salt water in between them, I'd love to hear a detailed theory as to how such an arrangement could be charged up like a capacitor.  Lots of folks are trying to do this very thing, but IMHO are putting the cart before the horse without a reasonable explanation of how this could possibly work.  I've heard general statements like, "high voltage will polarize the water molecules and with the proper resonance, split them apart."  Sorry, but that doesn't do it for me.  It doesn't answer my original question.  It gives me no understanding of how you would create the high voltage in the first place, since the path of least resistance is inside the WFC.

Quote from Dog-One on March 23rd, 2013, 04:32 PM

Quote from Heuristicobfuscation on March 23rd, 2013, 02:49 PM

That’s a good question. I don’t know about neutralizing that path externally. There is always some impurities in tap water or rain water etc. Stan Meyer mentioned that water is like a sponge it absorbs ambient air. The same is true for the entrapment of minerals and metals. With these parameters we really aren’t achieving a "perfect" water capacitor. But for all practical purposes Stans vic works pretty well in the real world. This is why i think its not a good idea to add conductive elements in water such as salts, electrolytes, etc if we are to follow stans design. This actually impedes static buildup and possibly returns to conventional electrolysis. Having said that stan meyer mentioned in his now famous news interview that you can add "tap water, rain water, salt water, snow-- etc-- has no adverse effect to wfc".

Yes and some have mentioned placing oxides, delrin or other insulative material on one or both electrodes.  Others have indicated there is no sign of such material on Stan's electrodes.  I'm not sure what to think.

If you have two non-insulated concentric stainless steel tubes and salt water in between them, I'd love to hear a detailed theory as to how such an arrangement could be charged up like a capacitor.  Lots of folks are trying to do this very thing, but IMHO are putting the cart before the horse without a reasonable explanation of how this could possibly work.  I've heard general statements like, "high voltage will polarize the water molecules and with the proper resonance, split them apart."  Sorry, but that doesn't do it for me.  It doesn't answer my original question.  It gives me no understanding of how you would create the high voltage in the first place, since the path of least resistance is inside the WFC.

Hi guys,
Bang on the money with that Dog-one.
This is what I've been trying to stipulate all along. A conventional cap has very little in the way of current leakage, Stan's WFC has a path across the water which is conductive and therefore isn't really a cap but a pair of electrodes and anyone trying to create a voltage potential on such a cap will be in for a shock because its impossible especially in seawater which has 1300PPM Magnesium content plus salt.
Very, very conductive.
Three possibilities for this system to work IMHO. 1. You insulate at least one of the cells, 2. You don't allow current to flow in either direction (difficult if not impossible), 3. You make sure the water is in no way conductive.
Stan says in his video's that this circuit works with sea water so option 3 is looking unlikely if we trust him 100%.
Option 2 is unlikely if not impossible. The remaining option which would allow Stan's schematics to work is to insulate one of the plates.
'After eliminating all other possibilities, the one remaining-no matter how unlikely-must be true' - Sherlock Holmes
Occam's Razor -  The razor states that one should proceed to simpler theories until simplicity can be traded for greater explanatory power.
Another problem too Dog-one, the 2 inductors in Stan's series circuit between the VIC and the cap - a state of resonance between the 2 inductors and the cap is quite impossible because of the diode.
In fact there can be no resonance between anything in that circuit including the water. It would make much more sense if the inductors were in parallel.

Quote from Heuristicobfuscation on March 22nd, 2013, 07:29 PM

Quote from nav on March 22nd, 2013, 04:22 PM

Quote

Yes the diode does allow current to flow as a half rectified wave form. It also does not allow the water capacitor to discharge. If we did not have the diode the capacitor would discharge all the electrostatic energy back into the tank circuit.

Wrong!
It allows the current to discharge from the cap in the direction of that diode so that there is no current flow in the opposite direction. In order for you to have no current direction at all you would have to have a diode blocking both paths.

Interesting not sure I fully understand your response.  If I am wrong than maybe you can help me understand.  

Whats your opinion of the following?  

#1 Stan Meyer WFC.  Is it Polarized or nonpolorized?
#2 "Stans Step Charging Process" is it not the objective to breakdown the dielectric material?
#3 Isn’t a diode a one way valve? If we used water to inflate a balloon provided an inline one way valve wouldn't that balloon burst at a critical point of inflation?

Hi,
The cell is definitely polarized in that he keeps the positive and negative electrical charges in the same plates.
The step charging process according to Meyer is to do with the alignment of the water molecules. He explains it quite simply in his patent. Step one - the polar alignment of the cell changes, step two - the molecule becomes elongated, step three - the molecule reaches electron instability, step four - the molecule begins to come apart and step five - it separates. Something along those lines. He also mentions the step charging is important in another process once the gases are in the water.
Yes a diode is a one way valve but it cannot stop current flow across the WFC plates (in the water) back to the secondary of the VIC therefore inducing current to flow in the series circuit.
 

Quote from Heuristicobfuscation on March 11th, 2013, 08:42 PM

WFC must see...Preventing water Short.....

So I was puzzled by the fact that Stan mentioned the following. "Voltage potential Across exciter-array can exceed 20,000volts".
Yet according to the secondary winding on the transformer its only 600 turns with input primary of 12v.
Then i kept reading and had to read twice the following quote." During resonant interaction a step charging voltage effect is applied to the exiter array. This causes a voltage potential increase in a progresive function".

The Water capacitor is not allowed to discharge because of the Diode. This in turn allows capacitor to increase in voltage potential. But if current is allowed to flow in the capacitor then voltage will drop exponentially [dead short]. this is were stans Meyer "resonant charging choke" comes in handy it prevents current flow in the cell allowing voltage to intensify.

What do you think?
Is the following accurate?

#1 The above explains why not all Stans Meyers VIC circuits have a transformer.
#2 Water capacitor is what creates the high voltage becouse of voltage step charging effect.
#3 Inductors act like current chokes limiting current flow acrros capacitor array.
#4 This allows high voltage Electrostatic force acumulation in capacitor. Straining the water bond.
#5 Efficiency in vic is produced at resonance between inductor and cap this explains the wiper arm
in vic inductor.

Following video shows effect of Water Capacitor retaining charge after power disconect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJd3Rm1SbGU

Quote from Heuristicobfuscation on March 25th, 2013, 06:57 PM

Quote from Heuristicobfuscation on March 11th, 2013, 08:42 PM

WFC must see...Preventing water Short.....

So I was puzzled by the fact that Stan mentioned the following. "Voltage potential Across exciter-array can exceed 20,000volts".
Yet according to the secondary winding on the transformer its only 600 turns with input primary of 12v.
Then i kept reading and had to read twice the following quote." During resonant interaction a step charging voltage effect is applied to the exiter array. This causes a voltage potential increase in a progresive function".

The Water capacitor is not allowed to discharge because of the Diode. This in turn allows capacitor to increase in voltage potential. But if current is allowed to flow in the capacitor then voltage will drop exponentially [dead short]. this is were stans Meyer "resonant charging choke" comes in handy it prevents current flow in the cell allowing voltage to intensify.

What do you think?
Is the following accurate?

#1 The above explains why not all Stans Meyers VIC circuits have a transformer.
#2 Water capacitor is what creates the high voltage becouse of voltage step charging effect.
#3 Inductors act like current chokes limiting current flow acrros capacitor array.
#4 This allows high voltage Electrostatic force acumulation in capacitor. Straining the water bond.
#5 Efficiency in vic is produced at resonance between inductor and cap this explains the wiper arm
in vic inductor.

Following video shows effect of Water Capacitor retaining charge after power disconect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJd3Rm1SbGU

Indeed the water takes on a charge. But it always will brake down to ~1,3V. Thats the minimum electrolyses voltage. Dog -one already wrote this, each charge what the capacitor in the watercell will take, will be shorted out in electrolyses, until the charge is unsuistainable for electrolyses. The ~1.3V will always be the "leftover" of the charge.
So the VIC can not provide enough charge to keep the voltage high. The charge will always cause electrolyses and reduces the voltage to Min (1.3V).

The only voltage wich can "act" in the system without current flowing is the "counter voltage" / self inductance voltage of the two Chraging Chokes. The self inductance voltage is created when switching on the circuit and current wants to flow through the system.
When switching on/off with high frequencys to high L values, the current is minimized. But the "counter-voltage" in the coil can be very high (like the source).
I attached a simulation: green is the very slowly growing current, blue is the voltage measured on the coil. Pulse is 1000Hz and 12V.
You see, that the only voltage which will "pull" on the water is the right side of the coil (-).

In the VIC, we have two coils which can "pull" with their inductance voltage on the watermolecule. :)

Perhaps you could knock L2 90 degrees out of phase with L1 so that the positive potential is always at zero when the negative potential is at -V.
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Hi nav.

Adding the second L in the circuit and couple it with the first one (90°) is like having no L at all in the circuit.
The measured voltage on the L1 and L2 is 0Volt. The hole voltage drops at the resistor (water). The amperage grows to 2,2A limited by the R (5Ohms).

-->No result, the voltage measured over the water is ~12VDC Pulses.

Quote from Dog-One on March 23rd, 2013, 04:32 PM

Quote from Heuristicobfuscation on March 23rd, 2013, 02:49 PM

That’s a good question. I don’t know about neutralizing that path externally. There is always some impurities in tap water or rain water etc. Stan Meyer mentioned that water is like a sponge it absorbs ambient air. The same is true for the entrapment of minerals and metals. With these parameters we really aren’t achieving a "perfect" water capacitor. But for all practical purposes Stans vic works pretty well in the real world. This is why i think its not a good idea to add conductive elements in water such as salts, electrolytes, etc if we are to follow stans design. This actually impedes static buildup and possibly returns to conventional electrolysis. Having said that stan meyer mentioned in his now famous news interview that you can add "tap water, rain water, salt water, snow-- etc-- has no adverse effect to wfc".

Yes and some have mentioned placing oxides, delrin or other insulative material on one or both electrodes.  Others have indicated there is no sign of such material on Stan's electrodes.  I'm not sure what to think.

If you have two non-insulated concentric stainless steel tubes and salt water in between them, I'd love to hear a detailed theory as to how such an arrangement could be charged up like a capacitor.  Lots of folks are trying to do this very thing, but IMHO are putting the cart before the horse without a reasonable explanation of how this could possibly work.  I've heard general statements like, "high voltage will polarize the water molecules and with the proper resonance, split them apart."  Sorry, but that doesn't do it for me.  It doesn't answer my original question.  It gives me no understanding of how you would create the high voltage in the first place, since the path of least resistance is inside the WFC.

Thinking about your comment reminded me of cell conditioning .... Some people condition thier cells and produce a white coating on the cathode, not sure if this coating is an insulator. I think it would be an interesting experiment if we can insulate the electrodes totally from water bath. And see if the Vic circuit can still produce an Electrostatic charge across the capacitor insulated plates.

So i guess  the question would be how can we apply a high voltage  Electrostatic field acrross plates without allowing water impureties to convert it back to current?

Quote from Heuristicobfuscation on April 13th, 2013, 11:59 AM

Quote from Dog-One on March 23rd, 2013, 04:32 PM

Quote from Heuristicobfuscation on March 23rd, 2013, 02:49 PM

That’s a good question. I don’t know about neutralizing that path externally. There is always some impurities in tap water or rain water etc. Stan Meyer mentioned that water is like a sponge it absorbs ambient air. The same is true for the entrapment of minerals and metals. With these parameters we really aren’t achieving a "perfect" water capacitor. But for all practical purposes Stans vic works pretty well in the real world. This is why i think its not a good idea to add conductive elements in water such as salts, electrolytes, etc if we are to follow stans design. This actually impedes static buildup and possibly returns to conventional electrolysis. Having said that stan meyer mentioned in his now famous news interview that you can add "tap water, rain water, salt water, snow-- etc-- has no adverse effect to wfc".

Yes and some have mentioned placing oxides, delrin or other insulative material on one or both electrodes.  Others have indicated there is no sign of such material on Stan's electrodes.  I'm not sure what to think.

If you have two non-insulated concentric stainless steel tubes and salt water in between them, I'd love to hear a detailed theory as to how such an arrangement could be charged up like a capacitor.  Lots of folks are trying to do this very thing, but IMHO are putting the cart before the horse without a reasonable explanation of how this could possibly work.  I've heard general statements like, "high voltage will polarize the water molecules and with the proper resonance, split them apart."  Sorry, but that doesn't do it for me.  It doesn't answer my original question.  It gives me no understanding of how you would create the high voltage in the first place, since the path of least resistance is inside the WFC.

Thinking about your comment reminded me of cell conditioning .... Some people condition thier cells and produce a white coating on the cathode, not sure if this coating is an insulator. I think it would be an interesting experiment if we can insulate the electrodes totally from water bath. And see if the Vic circuit can still produce an Electrostatic charge across the capacitor insulated plates.

So i guess  the question would be how can we apply a high voltage  Electrostatic field acrross plates without allowing water impureties to convert it back to current?

I don't know if coating is the way, one still wants to produce HHO no? I think that the right frequency in resonating, allows the big voltages because it works against itself in a way, the faster it pulls then here then there, the bigger the massresitance or resistance is, and so it is able to take the high voltage without bursting over. If it went out of sinc while on high voltage i predict it would burst, conduct and not perform optimum?
(Just thinking of two plates with alternating current)