I have given this a lot of thought.

First, let's touch on the legality of leaching power through inductance.
As long as it is done after the meter and before the panel there should be no legal issues because you are leaching from the metered power that you are paying for.

So I tried a simple experiment, I wrapped a number of windings of speaker wire, probably 14 gauge twisted, around a lead cord of a 1500 watt cube heater lead cord, I didn't count the turns, I'd say about 10 feet. I produced less than a volt until I grounded the windings, then I got 3+ volts. Sorry I couldn't measure the amps.

So I'm thinking if I wind a coil around a wire carrying 220 volts and around 200 amps perhaps I could power an inverter and tie it in to the panel, perhaps I could leach some energy from the power I am already using.

Quote from Robert Twiss on February 26th, 2013, 02:50 PM

I have given this a lot of thought.

First, let's touch on the legality of leaching power through inductance.
As long as it is done after the meter and before the panel there should be no legal issues because you are leaching from the metered power that you are paying for.

So I tried a simple experiment, I wrapped a number of windings of speaker wire, probably 14 gauge twisted, around a lead cord of a 1500 watt cube heater lead cord, I didn't count the turns, I'd say about 10 feet. I produced less than a volt until I grounded the windings, then I got 3+ volts. Sorry I couldn't measure the amps.

So I'm thinking if I wind a coil around a wire carrying 220 volts and around 200 amps perhaps I could power an inverter and tie it in to the panel, perhaps I could leach some energy from the power I am already using.

For what purpose?

Hello Robert,

You are correct legaly.

You also make good sense given the electrical losses that occur in any line transmission.

When you take the miles of electric cable in some buildings an enormous amount of electricity that has been paid for is lost.  Whilst it is noted the coil itself leaks electricty there still remains a great deal recoverable which may be capacitor stored or maybe one day fed back into the grid.

Hello Robert,

You are correct legaly.

You also make good sense given the electrical losses that occur in any line transmission.

When you take the miles of electric cable in some buildings an enormous amount of electricity that has been paid for is lost.  Whilst it is noted the coil itself leaks electricty there still remains a great deal recoverable which may be capacitor stored or maybe one day fed back into the grid.

Quote from Lynx on February 27th, 2013, 12:32 AM

Quote from Robert Twiss on February 26th, 2013, 02:50 PM

I have given this a lot of thought.

First, let's touch on the legality of leaching power through inductance.
As long as it is done after the meter and before the panel there should be no legal issues because you are leaching from the metered power that you are paying for.

So I tried a simple experiment, I wrapped a number of windings of speaker wire, probably 14 gauge twisted, around a lead cord of a 1500 watt cube heater lead cord, I didn't count the turns, I'd say about 10 feet. I produced less than a volt until I grounded the windings, then I got 3+ volts. Sorry I couldn't measure the amps.

So I'm thinking if I wind a coil around a wire carrying 220 volts and around 200 amps perhaps I could power an inverter and tie it in to the panel, perhaps I could leach some energy from the power I am already using.

For what purpose?

I guess to drain energy from the grid without them detecting. But i wouldn't work with mains if i wasn't sure what to do yet.
Cause in a way its overunity, getting energy where meters don't see it.
Play it safe first and invent the leaching way with smaller currents. If that succeeds you don't need to wreck your electricity box, but you could make money with it already.

Sorry for my ignorance, I just wanted to ask and clarify what "leaching power" means? How does it work or is it effective? I really find a great interest about this matter that is why I wanted to clarify it. Thanks! :)

Quote from amethyst on February 27th, 2013, 03:25 AM

Sorry for my ignorance, I just wanted to ask and clarify what "leaching power" means? How does it work or is it effective? I really find a great interest about this matter that is why I wanted to clarify it. Thanks! :)

My thought is to wrap a coil around the supply wire between the meter and the circuit breaker panel using electromagnetic energy to "leach" power from the power you are already using and back feed it into the panel to reduce power consumption.  It woudn't be like plugging something in and trying to backfeed it, it would be using electromagnetic induction.

Quote from FaradayEZ on February 27th, 2013, 01:07 AM

Quote from Lynx on February 27th, 2013, 12:32 AM

Quote from Robert Twiss on February 26th, 2013, 02:50 PM

I have given this a lot of thought.

First, let's touch on the legality of leaching power through inductance.
As long as it is done after the meter and before the panel there should be no legal issues because you are leaching from the metered power that you are paying for.

So I tried a simple experiment, I wrapped a number of windings of speaker wire, probably 14 gauge twisted, around a lead cord of a 1500 watt cube heater lead cord, I didn't count the turns, I'd say about 10 feet. I produced less than a volt until I grounded the windings, then I got 3+ volts. Sorry I couldn't measure the amps.

So I'm thinking if I wind a coil around a wire carrying 220 volts and around 200 amps perhaps I could power an inverter and tie it in to the panel, perhaps I could leach some energy from the power I am already using.

For what purpose?

I guess to drain energy from the grid without them detecting. But i wouldn't work with mains if i wasn't sure what to do yet.
Cause in a way its overunity, getting energy where meters don't see it.
Play it safe first and invent the leaching way with smaller currents. If that succeeds you don't need to wreck your electricity box, but you could make money with it already.

It would actually be using energy that you are already paying for so it doesn't matter if they could actually detect it, as long as you don't put it before the meter it's not theft of services.

Quote from Lynx on February 27th, 2013, 12:32 AM

Quote from Robert Twiss on February 26th, 2013, 02:50 PM

I have given this a lot of thought.

First, let's touch on the legality of leaching power through inductance.
As long as it is done after the meter and before the panel there should be no legal issues because you are leaching from the metered power that you are paying for.

So I tried a simple experiment, I wrapped a number of windings of speaker wire, probably 14 gauge twisted, around a lead cord of a 1500 watt cube heater lead cord, I didn't count the turns, I'd say about 10 feet. I produced less than a volt until I grounded the windings, then I got 3+ volts. Sorry I couldn't measure the amps.

So I'm thinking if I wind a coil around a wire carrying 220 volts and around 200 amps perhaps I could power an inverter and tie it in to the panel, perhaps I could leach some energy from the power I am already using.

For what purpose?

Leach the power through inductance and backfeed it through the power box to reduce the electric bill.

Quote from Robert Twiss on February 27th, 2013, 10:49 AM

Quote from Lynx on February 27th, 2013, 12:32 AM

Quote from Robert Twiss on February 26th, 2013, 02:50 PM

I have given this a lot of thought.

First, let's touch on the legality of leaching power through inductance.
As long as it is done after the meter and before the panel there should be no legal issues because you are leaching from the metered power that you are paying for.

So I tried a simple experiment, I wrapped a number of windings of speaker wire, probably 14 gauge twisted, around a lead cord of a 1500 watt cube heater lead cord, I didn't count the turns, I'd say about 10 feet. I produced less than a volt until I grounded the windings, then I got 3+ volts. Sorry I couldn't measure the amps.

So I'm thinking if I wind a coil around a wire carrying 220 volts and around 200 amps perhaps I could power an inverter and tie it in to the panel, perhaps I could leach some energy from the power I am already using.

For what purpose?

Leach the power through inductance and backfeed it through the power box to reduce the electric bill.

I don't get it.
If you tap in on your own cables through inductance and then put it back to the
very same lines, in that case you'd accomplished nothing but creating some heat
in the inductance coil (?) that you're using.
The only way for it to make a difference would be to tap in on your neighbors
wires and then somehow feed back the induced current to your own wires, which
of course then would be illegal.

Quote from Lynx on February 27th, 2013, 11:29 AM

Quote from Robert Twiss on February 27th, 2013, 10:49 AM

Quote from Lynx on February 27th, 2013, 12:32 AM

Quote from Robert Twiss on February 26th, 2013, 02:50 PM

I have given this a lot of thought.

First, let's touch on the legality of leaching power through inductance.
As long as it is done after the meter and before the panel there should be no legal issues because you are leaching from the metered power that you are paying for.

So I tried a simple experiment, I wrapped a number of windings of speaker wire, probably 14 gauge twisted, around a lead cord of a 1500 watt cube heater lead cord, I didn't count the turns, I'd say about 10 feet. I produced less than a volt until I grounded the windings, then I got 3+ volts. Sorry I couldn't measure the amps.

So I'm thinking if I wind a coil around a wire carrying 220 volts and around 200 amps perhaps I could power an inverter and tie it in to the panel, perhaps I could leach some energy from the power I am already using.

For what purpose?

Leach the power through inductance and backfeed it through the power box to reduce the electric bill.

I don't get it.
If you tap in on your own cables through inductance and then put it back to the
very same lines, in that case you'd accomplished nothing but creating some heat
in the inductance coil (?) that you're using.
The only way for it to make a difference would be to tap in on your neighbors
wires and then somehow feed back the induced current to your own wires, which
of course then would be illegal.

Coil heating, good point. Being AC, the panel would also send power to the coil. So I would have to eliminate backfeed. I don't think that I could "leach" a lot of power, but perhaps enough to power an inverter and tie it to the grid like solar.

Quote from Robert Twiss on February 27th, 2013, 01:39 PM

Coil heating, good point. Being AC, the panel would also send power to the coil. So I would have to eliminate backfeed. I don't think that I could "leach" a lot of power, but perhaps enough to power an inverter and tie it to the grid like solar.

I would suggest testing your hypothesis using a smaller scale setup, say 24 volt AC.  I think you will find the distance squared matches pretty closely with the amount of power you can expect to draw inductively.  I think you will also find the power you draw off doesn't go unnoticed--it will be real power that never makes it to the intended load, dropping the power factor accordingly.

I tend to lean towards Lynx's comment guys.  This could be considered illegal activity and isn't condoned on this forum.  The intent of OpenSource Energy is to take freely available energy from the vacuum of space and harness it in such a way as to make it useful.  That energy exists right there inside your house whether your power box is turned on or not.  There is no need to "leach" this already converted energy from your neighbors power box or the outside utility lines.  We are not gathered together on this forum to learn how to be better thiefs.  I can understand someone asking how it could be done, but trying to rationalize why it should be done is an entirely different story.

Quote from Dog-One on February 27th, 2013, 05:54 PM

Quote from Robert Twiss on February 27th, 2013, 01:39 PM

Coil heating, good point. Being AC, the panel would also send power to the coil. So I would have to eliminate backfeed. I don't think that I could "leach" a lot of power, but perhaps enough to power an inverter and tie it to the grid like solar.

I would suggest testing your hypothesis using a smaller scale setup, say 24 volt AC.  I think you will find the distance squared matches pretty closely with the amount of power you can expect to draw inductively.  I think you will also find the power you draw off doesn't go unnoticed--it will be real power that never makes it to the intended load, dropping the power factor accordingly.

I tend to lean towards Lynx's comment guys.  This could be considered illegal activity and isn't condoned on this forum.  The intent of OpenSource Energy is to take freely available energy from the vacuum of space and harness it in such a way as to make it useful.  That energy exists right there inside your house whether your power box is turned on or not.  There is no need to "leach" this already converted energy from your neighbors power box or the outside utility lines.  We are not gathered together on this forum to learn how to be better thiefs.  I can understand someone asking how it could be done, but trying to rationalize why it should be done is an entirely different story.

I never intended to take it from any where else. Just from the power I already draw and pay for using magnetic induction, I did this with a 1500 watt electric heater abd drew 3 volts just by wrapping a wire around the lead cord.

Quote from Robert Twiss on February 27th, 2013, 06:17 PM

I never intended to take it from any where else. Just from the power I already draw and pay for using magnetic induction, I did this with a 1500 watt electric heater abd drew 3 volts just by wrapping a wire around the lead cord.

You can draw millions of volts flying a kite in a thunderstorm.  That voltage alone isn't likely to provide useful power though.  You will need the amperage to go with it; that's where things get tricky.

What I would encourage you to investigate is Tom Ferko's sat-gen.
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=1026

This thing has serious potential to "leach" rotational energy well beyond what is actually being transmitted by the coil winding.  Imagine running eight generators from a sat-gen that is only using the equivalent power to drive three generators...   Now we're talking.

If leaching was possible, if pickupcoils were also possible, then you would have a chance.

But they are not, the induction gives volts but also asks for volts, its not a oneway street.

So build one of the many doable devices here and with the extra energy from the cop > 1 you route back through your mains and get the money for that?

If you succeed you never have to work again. ;)

Thank you all for participating in this thread.
It has given me perspective from different angles.