Ion thermoblock heater

Bertoa

Ion thermoblock heater
« on February 25th, 2013, 02:54 PM »Last edited on February 25th, 2013, 05:45 PM by Bertoa
Last months there is a lot to do about Ionized Thermoblock Centralheating. Some contra version is still around about the claim of COP 1.57. This will say that by using 1kW of electrical power ion boilers produces from 1,57kW till 2,04kW of heat energy!  The high heat transmission is done by the use of a mix of liquids who form a electrolyte. This is 'fired' by two electrodes with a 230Volt AC current. They claim also to heat a family house of 100sqrm with a 500Whr or less. A PV installation with battery storage could even heat 'well isolated' house complete autarky .
The thermoblock consists  a mixture of fluids wich will be ionized by electrodes. Heating of the fluids will be controlled by a digital, electronic thermostat.
The ion heaters were initially developed for the use on ships and submarines of the Russian Navy (RVF) some decades ago, whereby space and electrical demand were high considerations. During the last nine years, after this technology was made public, it has been further developed, improved, and patented exceeding the original quality and performance.
http://www.globalgreenguard.com/heating.html
About 6 companies in Europe are ready to deliver this ultra compact units. Cheapest 100 euro. This thermoblocks can be installed parallel to the existing heat block of the Central heating.
Has anybody expierence with this type of heating? Is it true, if this heating is more efficient than conventional heating methods?

Matt Watts

RE: Ion thermoblock heater
« Reply #1, on February 25th, 2013, 04:50 PM »
Welcome aboard Bertoa!

This is an interesting post to say the least.  I haven't heard of such a device before but it appears to have some merit.  I do know that heat pumps are more efficient (COP > 1) than conventional heating units (COP < 1) and wouldn't be too surprised to find out for sure that these ion thermoblocks are at least equally efficient as heat pumps.

If you can dig up more links I suspect some of the members here would be interested in attempting to replicate a small unit as a proof of concept.

Thanks again and enjoy your stay here at OpenSource Energy.

D1

Bertoa

RE: Ion thermoblock heater
« Reply #2, on February 25th, 2013, 05:30 PM »Last edited on February 25th, 2013, 05:40 PM by Bertoa
This is said about the (proven) COP value of 1.57. This ION heaters are mainly installed in East and South Europe.
In solid conductors only half (statistically) of the free electrons react to the applied voltage. In liquid conductors, if using special construction ionization chamber, it is possible to achieve that almost all of the free electrons will react to the applied voltage. This means that - theoretically it is possible to achieve COP 2. At the moment company STAFOR EKO managed to achieve COP 1,57. It is confirmed by certification of European Union approved Center of Metrology, protocol № 016TP11.
http://www.stafor.lv/ion/index.php?part=2&lng=en&part2=55

FaradayEZ

RE: Ion thermoblock heater
« Reply #3, on February 25th, 2013, 10:58 PM »
Quote from Bertoa on February 25th, 2013, 05:30 PM
This is said about the (proven) COP value of 1.57. This ION heaters are mainly installed in East and South Europe.
In solid conductors only half (statistically) of the free electrons react to the applied voltage. In liquid conductors, if using special construction ionization chamber, it is possible to achieve that almost all of the free electrons will react to the applied voltage. This means that - theoretically it is possible to achieve COP 2. At the moment company STAFOR EKO managed to achieve COP 1,57. It is confirmed by certification of European Union approved Center of Metrology, protocol № 016TP11.
http://www.stafor.lv/ion/index.php?part=2&lng=en&part2=55
Hmm, hadn't heard of this yet. Good find Bertoa ;) Maybe we need a thread with all finds that have proven cop>1. Like a hall of fame. One should think that already have found one item to be cop over 1, should steer the big science vessel slowly to other ports. And then poke the old science folks with it in the eye...lol inviting them to come see our thread and try to disprove..haha turning the tables on them.