Hi Russ, I just made an important observation on the EPG copper tubing, one of the pictures I downloaded, you can see the copper tubing is all soldered together, definitely, no gap no spacing, and it is also sprayed with a red insulating paint made for motors, I have used this paint before I recognize it as such and it is used to insulate the motor winding's from the stator and or the armature of motors, Stan must have used it before he wound the EPG with wire, I have even seen it used to spray the winding's for better insulating quality. Let me know what you think, Jeff. ;)  [attachment=125]

Quote from Jeff Nading on July 11th, 2011, 07:57 PM

Hi Russ, I just made an important observation on the EPG copper tubing, one of the pictures I downloaded, you can see the copper tubing is all soldered together, definitely, no gap no spacing, and it is also sprayed with a red insulating paint made for motors, I have used this paint before I recognize it as such and it is used to insulate the motor winding's from the stator and or the armature of motors, Stan must have used it before he wound the EPG with wire, I have even seen it used to spray the winding's for better insulating quality. Let me know what you think, Jeff. ;)

I voted no space though I'm not sure if that is solder between the pipes.  It looks like a build up of the red paint to me.  I do believe you want as little gap as possible though, but I think a soldered electrical connection between them isn't as important.  Just my guess.:)

Hi all I voted space but would like it to mean insulated from electrical contact.  I felt if you start out with them connected that removes the option for testing.  Not sure if it has anything to do with it but you can see the resonant cavity chambers line up with the coils on the (stacked version).

Quote from Jeff Nading on July 11th, 2011, 07:57 PM

Hi Russ, I just made an important observation on the EPG copper tubing, one of the pictures I downloaded, you can see the copper tubing is all soldered together, definitely, no gap no spacing, and it is also sprayed with a red insulating paint made for motors, I have used this paint before I recognize it as such and it is used to insulate the motor winding's from the stator and or the armature of motors, Stan must have used it before he wound the EPG with wire, I have even seen it used to spray the winding's for better insulating quality. Let me know what you think, Jeff. ;)

i voted space... but i believe your right Jeff. That is solder under the paint. I believe that the testing with a space is important.  It is possible that that is some kind of glue buder the paint. But the solder on the 90 looks to be the same color when it transitions to no paint area.  

I have looked at this before but now that you point it out, I think your right. The problem being what phase was this EPG in ? later could have been with a space… so my thought is try it open as once that wire is on there… its going to take a while to re-due it…

Thanks! ~Russ

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Quote from Jeff Nading on July 11th, 2011, 07:57 PM

Hi Russ, I just made an important observation on the EPG copper tubing, one of the pictures I downloaded, you can see the copper tubing is all soldered together, definitely, no gap no spacing, and it is also sprayed with a red insulating paint made for motors, I have used this paint before I recognize it as such and it is used to insulate the motor winding's from the stator and or the armature of motors, Stan must have used it before he wound the EPG with wire, I have even seen it used to spray the winding's for better insulating quality. Let me know what you think, Jeff. ;)

i voted space... but i believe your right Jeff. That is solder under the paint. I believe that the testing with a space is important.  It is possible that that is some kind of glue buder the paint. But the solder on the 90 looks to be the same color when it transitions to no paint area.  

I have looked at this before but now that you point it out, I think your right. The problem being what phase was this EPG in ? later could have been with a space… so my thought is try it open as once that wire is on there… its going to take a while to re-due it…

Thanks! ~Russ

Hi Russ, yes we need to try all aspects of the work, I agree, as you said on the scarecrow show, I have in my head to build a different kind of EPG, it will take some time though, did you here about the guy in Italy "Andrea Rossi"    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98E&feature=youtu.be   it's happening right now an energy devise [cold fusion energy device]. He has a manufacturing plant in Florida and the first 1megawatt plant will be functional in Greece in October. He plans to build many global manufacturing plants, they are in the works to build thousands of reactors. It is a verified scientific discovery that should have enormous implications on energy creation.  Yet, it is not even mentioned in standard news media. So we need to press on and see what we can do, there's not much time though.

What's interesting here is that if the copper tubing is soldered together then the electron current is is effectively shorted and hence can flow 'between' each coil. However, the ionic current of the liquid core cannot do this.

Another point of interest is that the induced movement of the electrons in the copper tube will be vastly more reactive -faster - than the ionic current through the liquid core.

I would opt for a non-conducting glue holding the coils in place.

My EPG has no gap, but it wasnt soldered. It was all glued in place in a jig

Quote from Rwg42985 on July 15th, 2011, 03:31 AM

Quote from Jeff Nading on July 11th, 2011, 07:57 PM

Hi Russ, I just made an important observation on the EPG copper tubing, one of the pictures I downloaded, you can see the copper tubing is all soldered together, definitely, no gap no spacing, and it is also sprayed with a red insulating paint made for motors, I have used this paint before I recognize it as such and it is used to insulate the motor winding's from the stator and or the armature of motors, Stan must have used it before he wound the EPG with wire, I have even seen it used to spray the winding's for better insulating quality. Let me know what you think, Jeff. ;)

i voted space... but i believe your right Jeff. That is solder under the paint. I believe that the testing with a space is important.  It is possible that that is some kind of glue buder the paint. But the solder on the 90 looks to be the same color when it transitions to no paint area.  

I have looked at this before but now that you point it out, I think your right. The problem being what phase was this EPG in ? later could have been with a space… so my thought is try it open as once that wire is on there… its going to take a while to re-due it…

Thanks! ~Russ

Hi Russ, I don't know if this helps or not. I worked in a motor rewind shop in 1963.
When the stater or armature needed repair they would be burned in a furnace which released the windings which were discarded. New windings were then inserted, the wire ends soldered as required and the joints taped. The unit was then soaked in shellac for several hours for penetration. Then it was hung to drain.
Then it was baked in a hot oven to cure the shellac. This served to insulate the windings and hold them rigid.
Hope this is useful, John

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Quote from Rwg42985 on July 15th, 2011, 03:31 AM

Quote from Jeff Nading on July 11th, 2011, 07:57 PM

Hi Russ, I just made an important observation on the EPG copper tubing, one of the pictures I downloaded, you can see the copper tubing is all soldered together, definitely, no gap no spacing, and it is also sprayed with a red insulating paint made for motors, I have used this paint before I recognize it as such and it is used to insulate the motor winding's from the stator and or the armature of motors, Stan must have used it before he wound the EPG with wire, I have even seen it used to spray the winding's for better insulating quality. Let me know what you think, Jeff. ;)

i voted space... but i believe your right Jeff. That is solder under the paint. I believe that the testing with a space is important.  It is possible that that is some kind of glue buder the paint. But the solder on the 90 looks to be the same color when it transitions to no paint area.  

I have looked at this before but now that you point it out, I think your right. The problem being what phase was this EPG in ? later could have been with a space… so my thought is try it open as once that wire is on there… its going to take a while to re-due it…

Thanks! ~Russ

Hi Russ, I don't know if this helps or not. I worked in a motor rewind shop in 1963.
When the stater or armature needed repair they would be burned in a furnace which released the windings which were discarded. New windings were then inserted, the wire ends soldered as required and the joints taped. The unit was then soaked in shellac for several hours for penetration. Then it was hung to drain.
Then it was baked in a hot oven to cure the shellac. This served to insulate the windings and hold them rigid.
Hope this is useful, John

1963! wow!

cool stuff, i kinda new the process but that's a clear description! thanks for that!

!!! ~Russ

Quote from Jeff Nading on July 11th, 2011, 07:57 PM

Hi Russ, I just made an important observation on the EPG copper tubing, one of the pictures I downloaded, you can see the copper tubing is all soldered together, definitely, no gap no spacing, and it is also sprayed with a red insulating paint made for motors, I have used this paint before I recognize it as such and it is used to insulate the motor winding's from the stator and or the armature of motors, Stan must have used it before he wound the EPG with wire, I have even seen it used to spray the winding's for better insulating quality. Let me know what you think, Jeff. ;)

The paint that you are referring to is called "Glyptal"....It is utilized in electrical motors, controller coils, etc. I believe is is Enamel based if I recall correctly(?).
I also used it in engine overalls inside the block to seal up the pores in the cast iron to promote improved oil return to the sump.....
Bill

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Quote from Jeff Nading on July 11th, 2011, 07:57 PM

Hi Russ, I just made an important observation on the EPG copper tubing, one of the pictures I downloaded, you can see the copper tubing is all soldered together, definitely, no gap no spacing, and it is also sprayed with a red insulating paint made for motors, I have used this paint before I recognize it as such and it is used to insulate the motor winding's from the stator and or the armature of motors, Stan must have used it before he wound the EPG with wire, I have even seen it used to spray the winding's for better insulating quality. Let me know what you think, Jeff. ;)

The paint that you are referring to is called "Glyptal"....It is utilized in electrical motors, controller coils, etc. I believe is is Enamel based if I recall correctly(?).
I also used it in engine overalls inside the block to seal up the pores in the cast iron to promote improved oil return to the sump.....
Bill

nice to know bill! thanks!

~Russ

Quote from Jeff Nading on July 11th, 2011, 07:57 PM

Hi Russ, I just made an important observation on the EPG copper tubing, one of the pictures I downloaded, you can see the copper tubing is all soldered together, definitely, no gap no spacing, and it is also sprayed with a red insulating paint made for motors, I have used this paint before I recognize it as such and it is used to insulate the motor winding's from the stator and or the armature of motors, Stan must have used it before he wound the EPG with wire, I have even seen it used to spray the winding's for better insulating quality. Let me know what you think, Jeff. ;)

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Quote from Jeff Nading on July 11th, 2011, 07:57 PM

Hi Russ, I just made an important observation on the EPG copper tubing, one of the pictures I downloaded, you can see the copper tubing is all soldered together, definitely, no gap no spacing, and it is also sprayed with a red insulating paint made for motors, I have used this paint before I recognize it as such and it is used to insulate the motor winding's from the stator and or the armature of motors, Stan must have used it before he wound the EPG with wire, I have even seen it used to spray the winding's for better insulating quality. Let me know what you think, Jeff. ;)

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1201 looks like a match

Nice work my friend nice work!

That's some good detailed research!!!

Love the user name by the way! :) ~Russ