this topic is in memo WFC 422 da,very short topic.

"extracting contaminates from water bath producing purified water bath which is recycled back into Fuel cell"

how does it work??do you see any parts of this??


thanks
geenee

Quote from geenee on February 9th, 2013, 07:10 PM

this topic is in memo WFC 422 da,very short topic.

"extracting contaminates from water bath producing purified water bath which is recycled back into Fuel cell"

how does it work??do you see any parts of this??
http://open-source-energy.org/forum/attachment.php?aid=3194

Was Stan using that to ionize his water?  Seems like it could work similarly to how an ionic air purifier works.

With the complexity Stan put into his system, I could never figure out why he wasn't attempting to condense his exhaust vapor and recycle it.  Seems to me if he did, then he could claim his buggy would never run out of fuel.  Maybe that was what he going to do next, but I never saw his buggy without the exhaust headers.

Quote from Dog-One on February 9th, 2013, 07:42 PM

Maybe that was what he going to do next, but I never saw his buggy without the exhaust headers.

He probably still had them...  Most likely he added a type of "turbocharger".
'Cause I remember him talking about an "exhaust gate valve".

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question122.htm
Turbocharger:
A turbocharger, on the other hand, gets its power from the exhaust stream. The exhaust runs through a turbine, which in turn spins the compressor.
(a waste-gate controls how much exhaust runs over the turbine blades.)

Now, I haven't looked to much into this part of stan's tech.
But , if you ask me, he's just using a "waste-gate" to control how much exhaust goes back into the intake.  Thus "recycling" the "purified" water.

Thoughts?

By the way... I know that this doesn't really address the original topic... but it's a way to reuse the exhaust.

Quote from Dog-One on February 9th, 2013, 07:42 PM

Quote from geenee on February 9th, 2013, 07:10 PM

this topic is in memo WFC 422 da,very short topic.

"extracting contaminates from water bath producing purified water bath which is recycled back into Fuel cell"

how does it work??do you see any parts of this??
http://open-source-energy.org/forum/attachment.php?aid=3194

Was Stan using that to ionize his water?  Seems like it could work similarly to how an ionic air purifier works.

With the complexity Stan put into his system, I could never figure out why he wasn't attempting to condense his exhaust vapor and recycle it.  Seems to me if he did, then he could claim his buggy would never run out of fuel.  Maybe that was what he going to do next, but I never saw his buggy without the exhaust headers.

I remember there being a system for removing the brown sludge from the water.  I think it was in a video with Stan?  Brain cells aren't co-operating tonight...

Quote from firepinto on February 9th, 2013, 08:11 PM

I remember there being a system for removing the brown sludge from the water.  I think it was in a video with Stan?  Brain cells aren't co-operating tonight...

If you tried to reuse the exhaust vapors and condense the steam back down to water, you most certainly would have some amount of oil contaminants that would need to be removed.

Quote from Dog-One on February 9th, 2013, 08:14 PM

If you tried to reuse the exhaust vapors and condense the steam back down to water, you most certainly would have some amount of oil contaminants that would need to be removed.

What if you just stuck a really fine filter in the path of the water.  Instead of using an electrostatic filter?  Would it be easier for the time being?

Or even in the exhaust for that matter... couldn't that work?

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 9th, 2013, 08:18 PM

Quote from Dog-One on February 9th, 2013, 08:14 PM

If you tried to reuse the exhaust vapors and condense the steam back down to water, you most certainly would have some amount of oil contaminants that would need to be removed.

What if you just stuck a really fine filter in the path of the water.  Instead of using an electrostatic filter?  Would it be easier for the time being?

Or even in the exhaust for that matter... couldn't that work?

It could yes, but you know, the more I think about it, how much harm would a tiny amount of oil actually cause going back through the system?  A flake of carbon could be bad with the injectors, but oil...?  I don't think I would mess with it, just let it pass back through.  Just a simple particulate filter would be gobs.

Quote from Dog-One on February 9th, 2013, 08:22 PM

Just a simple particulate filter would be gobs.

ROFL - It'd be a mess.
Yeah, I see your point. :DI'm thinking of aircraft stuff again.  As that was my major in school...

That electrostatic filter is the "fuel filter" and/or "gascolator".  The concept doesn't change between cars and aircraft.  Also, the idea does not differ when switching your fuel.  It's designed to take out the contaminates before it gets to the cylinders.

On that note... I wasn't thinking about it the right way. :D

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 9th, 2013, 08:24 PM

Quote from Dog-One on February 9th, 2013, 08:22 PM

Just a simple particulate filter would be gobs.

ROFL - It'd be a mess.
Yeah, I see your point. :D
I'm thinking of aircraft stuff again.  As that was my major in school...

That electrostatic filter is the "fuel filter" and/or "gascolator".  The concept doesn't change between cars and aircraft.  Also, the idea does not differ when switching your fuel.  It's designed to take out the contaminates before it gets to the cylinders.

On that note... I wasn't thinking about it the right way. :D

When I think of electrostatic filter, I think of one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Ionic-Pro-TA500-ionic-Purifier/dp/B000H0RZB0

Similar to gas gun technology.

Quote from firepinto on February 9th, 2013, 08:54 PM

When I think of electrostatic filter, I think of one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Ionic-Pro-TA500-ionic-Purifier/dp/B000H0RZB0

Similar to gas gun technology.

Yeah, same as I was thinking.  How that works with liquids I don't know.  I guess it is the same principal for any fluid.

Quote from firepinto on February 9th, 2013, 08:54 PM

When I think of electrostatic filter, I think of one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Ionic-Pro-TA500-ionic-Purifier/dp/B000H0RZB0
Similar to gas gun technology.

I've not looked too much into the gas gun stuff.  However, what you've showed is, exactly, the first thing I thought of when I heard about the electrostatic filter too. :D

The "Ionic Breeze" :D :cool: :P

Also, did some quick digging.  I haven't read these yet.  So if anyone wants a head start.  There it is. :D
http://www.unc.edu/courses/2009spring/envr/754/001/ESPs.pdf
http://holbert.faculty.asu.edu/wise/electrostaticprecip.html
http://www.iowadnr.gov/Environment/AirQuality/HowAirPollutionIsControlled/ElectrostaticPrecipitators.aspx
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_electrostatic_precipitators_work_using_electrostatic_technology
http://www.thomasnet.com/articles/plant-facility-equipment/electrostatic-precipitators
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_precipitator
http://www.explainthatstuff.com/electrostaticsmokeprecipitators.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYvs8w9CcvM (LOL - this is cheesy, but kinda informative.)
http://www.neundorfer.com/knowledge_base/electrostatic_precipitators.aspx
http://www.epa.gov/eogapti1/course422/ce6a1.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5w0IGuLR3A
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/add_aqa_pre_2011/electricity/staticelectrev2.shtml
http://www.ppcbio.com/ppcdespworks.htm
http://yosemite.epa.gov/oaqps/eogtrain.nsf/b81bacb527b016d785256e4a004c0393/ca9ae17f9567495885256b66004e7985/$FILE/12bles1.pdf
http://www.redler.com/en/products/electrostatic-precipitator-control/

Quote from Dog-One on February 9th, 2013, 08:58 PM

Quote from firepinto on February 9th, 2013, 08:54 PM

When I think of electrostatic filter, I think of one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Ionic-Pro-TA500-ionic-Purifier/dp/B000H0RZB0

Similar to gas gun technology.

Yeah, same as I was thinking.  How that works with liquids I don't know.  I guess it is the same principal for any fluid.

Dog-One,it act like deionized water engine??with liquids that's hard to make electrostatic!!cause liquids(water) act like ground.

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 9th, 2013, 09:15 PM

Quote from firepinto on February 9th, 2013, 08:54 PM

When I think of electrostatic filter, I think of one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Ionic-Pro-TA500-ionic-Purifier/dp/B000H0RZB0
Similar to gas gun technology.

I've not looked too much into the gas gun stuff.  However, what you've showed is, exactly, the first thing I thought of when I heard about the electrostatic filter too. :D

The "Ionic Breeze" :D :cool: :P

Also, did some quick digging.  I haven't read these yet.  So if anyone wants a head start.  There it is. :D
http://www.unc.edu/courses/2009spring/envr/754/001/ESPs.pdf
http://holbert.faculty.asu.edu/wise/electrostaticprecip.html
http://www.iowadnr.gov/Environment/AirQuality/HowAirPollutionIsControlled/ElectrostaticPrecipitators.aspx
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_electrostatic_precipitators_work_using_electrostatic_technology
http://www.thomasnet.com/articles/plant-facility-equipment/electrostatic-precipitators
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_precipitator
http://www.explainthatstuff.com/electrostaticsmokeprecipitators.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYvs8w9CcvM (LOL - this is cheesy, but kinda informative.)
http://www.neundorfer.com/knowledge_base/electrostatic_precipitators.aspx
http://www.epa.gov/eogapti1/course422/ce6a1.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5w0IGuLR3A
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/add_aqa_pre_2011/electricity/staticelectrev2.shtml
http://www.ppcbio.com/ppcdespworks.htm
http://yosemite.epa.gov/oaqps/eogtrain.nsf/b81bacb527b016d785256e4a004c0393/ca9ae17f9567495885256b66004e7985/$FILE/12bles1.pdf
http://www.redler.com/en/products/electrostatic-precipitator-control/

information overflow!!:)great find Ravenous Emu and firepinto.

-deionize water resistance is 18MOhms/cm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purified_water

-Ionized Water Filters
Water is forced over positive and negative electrodes and becomes ionized, which then is separated into alkaline and acidic water.   From a volume of water, 70% becomes alkaline water and 30% becomes acid water. The alkaline water has good anti-oxidant effects when used for drinking water and the acid water kills many bacteria when used as wash water in the shower. These devices consume power.

-above method cannot trap ions,it just attached and separate two sides(pos and neg side)then pass and recombine.info from alkaline water ionizer.or maybe work??but if deionized water work with WFC that mean real capacitor,right??

thanks
geenee

Quote from geenee on February 10th, 2013, 12:16 AM

but if deionized water work with WFC that mean real capacitor,right??

If you can keep the water sealed so it does not pickup CO2 from the air, then maybe yes.  If you have a closed loop system that will continuously circulate the water between the deionizer and the WFC, that would work as well.  This should give you an environment where the conditions within the WFC are constant and stable so you wouldn't have to keep chasing resonant frequency.  And with the water deionized, getting higher voltages across the tubes should be much easier.